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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | Don't really think this behaviour is limited to just the Brazillians... but I do have a solution.... give them as long as the barrel racers have when they call our name at a rodeo... same should go for Steer Wrestlers too. |
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Location: Arkansas | Oregonracer2 - 2014-04-07 7:50 PM Don't really think this behaviour is limited to just the Brazillians... but I do have a solution.... give them as long as the barrel racers have when they call our name at a rodeo... same should go for Steer Wrestlers too.
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Location: where ever my L/Q trl is parked | but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| ndiehl - 2014-04-07 6:21 PM
cyount2009 - 2014-04-07 4:24 PM
OhMax - 2014-04-07 4:11 PM
Sounds to me like they should hand their rope to a rodeo personnel in the alley and the same person puts on all the ropes...
Time to really man up boys.
That would open way to many technical doors. Roughies are pretty particular about the way their gear is handled before a ride. Putting the rope on in the lead up allows the cowboy to be sure the rope is adjusted to that bull. Some need the rope let way out some need it taken in. You can look at a bull and guess what kind of adjustment he needs but you don't really know until its hanging. Then there is always a chance of someone accidentally dropping a rope in the bottom of chute. Heaven forbid anyone touch the handle with a bare hand before a ride! I have seen some guys go absolutely ape poop over that!
True people have their own ways of doing things but it's all about being fair to everyone. What if they allowed you to put your rope on before he chutes (like they do now ) but they only allow you to do it while someone is watching. Have a contractor go down the line and watch each rider put it on. After they have made the adjustments for fit then your not allowed to touch the bull until its time to sit on them in the chutes. Touching them would be an instant disqualification..... Have someone watching them put them on and some one keeping an eye on the all the bulls from afar.
Oh you're preaching to the choir about particular - my boyfriend is a bullrider as is the son of the gal I haul around with.
Point being, if they can't play fair and honest then something more needs to change, if that is someone impartial hanging their ropes or someone impartial watching them hang their ropes. The ones I'm around play fair, hang the rope barely snug so it won't come undone, wait for the bull the load, get on, tighten their rope and nod for the gate. I hope the various governing bodies, pbr, prca, etc continue to enforce the rules. |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | The PBR is on the right track. It just took them a long, long time to do it.
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| Most Bull riders have the little man syndrome-so I guess the longer the spotlight is on them the bigger they feel. Brazilian or not there's a lot of Bull riders out there that wallow a bull in the chutes-shame on them if the only way they can be in the money is to cheat.... JMO:) |
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 Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | But. but. but...I don't understand. Braziliains are the best thing that's happened to barrel racing since the invention of the stirrup! How can they be such cheatin' little SOMs in a chute? Things to make me go hmmm. |
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| Frodo - 2014-04-07 6:30 PM
SassyPirate, the one minute rule is new to the PBR. Yes they now get disqualifed. Silvano Alves has been disqualified twice in the last two weeks, Renato Nunes once and Valderon Oliveria once. They're pushing it to the limit not believing the judges are dead serious. Ty Murray pointed out at his Invitational that these riders could help the bulls greatly if they'd just try to position the animals themselves with their feets and bodies, but they choose to bounce around on them, slap, wiggle and shove their bodies back and forth........then they think they have to start all over again redoing their ropes. Very tough on an animal and yes it's cheating.
....and when I say "disqualified" the judge just simply says "Get off the bull."Â Â It makes you want to cheer.
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Ok so now they get disqualifed. I know that the they did have a rule in place about how long you can be in the chute as my husband used to ride on the BFTS and I asked him last night. He said they brought the rule in right when he got on tour and if yout took longer then x amount of time, you got a fine.
Not sure why someone disliked my post, I simply stated that there has been a time limit rule in place for a while! LOL |
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| Aqhaczy - 2014-04-07 9:14 PM but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
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| CanCan - 2014-04-08 9:45 AM But. but. but...I don't understand. Braziliains are the best thing that's happened to barrel racing since the invention of the stirrup! How can they be such cheatin' little SOMs in a chute? Things to make me go hmmm.
Oh, yeah. You know, because they're all like that. The only people who know how to do anything in a civilized manner are 'Muricans. Oh wait 
All aboard the Stereojudice express!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Aqhaczy - 2014-04-07 9:14 PM but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
The steer wrestlers are only trying to make sure that their horses are lined up to come out of the box straight and making sure the horse is watching, I dont think they want their horses tired, they need the engery to catch that steer. |
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Location: ND | Southtxponygirl - 2014-04-08 10:08 AM Aqhaczy - 2014-04-07 9:14 PM but aren't the steer wrestlers tiring their horses out too by walking up and back, turning them around and waddling around on their back getting them to line up?
When I'm sitting on my mare watching a race my mare will dance around, move back and forth- circle in place, she just nervous, but it wears me down. So I don't get on her till we need to warm up.
The steer wrestlers are only trying to make sure that their horses are lined up to come out of the box straight and making sure the horse is watching, I dont think they want their horses tired, they need the engery to catch that steer.
the longer a steer wrestler is in the box, the more disadvantaged they are......generally speaking..... |
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| We went to the PBR Finals in 2003 & 2004 with one of our bulls, in 2003 Adriano Moraes rode our bull for 93.5 pts. didn't seem to bother our bull with him soaking him a little, do I like it when ANY ONE, yes, there are American Boys that are just as Bad, take a long time to get out? No. Bullriders have really change a lot, back in the day, (old school,) you would slide & ride, those days are gone! |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Bringing this thread back from the dead...But last night we watched the PBR from Oklahoma City. It was pretty good. But they seem to still be having problems with the "soaking" and taking way too long in the chute. So much so that they did demonstrations for the viewers as to how EASY it would be for the rider to move that bull over themselves rather than looking to someone else to help...looking at the judge...messing around...re wrapping... etc. Several were put "on the clock" and barely made it out. I know some have been disqualified lately as well as they discussed that too.
Thing is...so often when the bull was treated that way...or the guy messed around so long...the bull had a crappy Out. Just didn't perform. That's sad for the contractors...and bad for the sport.
I know there are riders of all nationalities that may do this...but as for last night...the biggest offenders were by far the Brazilians. They also seem to choose bulls they know they can get an easier trip on...and if the bull fails to perform they keep the lower score and don't take the re-ride. Is it cheating...nope...that's all really within the scope of the rules...but they are clearly being strategic and playing safe the best they can to win the most money. Nothing wrong with that...can't blame them since this is their career/job...but it's a LOT less fun to watch.
Last night there were guys that purposefully chose known rank bulls that they really wanted to challenge themselves with and some that had a scoring ride(Mike Lee was one) that chose to take the re-ride when the bull didn't perform up to par or had a bad trip due to hitting the chute etc. That shows a love of the game...not just the pursuit of a paycheck. And the crowd knows it. Any who watched last night saw how the crowd went NUTS when JB Mauney rode the 2015 World Champion Bull or when Mason Lowe had a 90+ point ride....even though they didn't win the event. When Fabiano Viera almost doesn't get out of the chute before the clock ran out...butmade a good ride to win the event...the crowd was just not into it. It was almost awkward.
I'd sure like to see more of the slide and ride...and less of the messing around. I think it's clear that the announcers/commentators feel the same way as the fans. |
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BHW's Simon Cowell
Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | What is really sucks about this is there might be a time when they needed more than a minute for a bull that was really bad in the chute and those that have abused this have made them put this rule in. Same thing with the alleyway at the BBR. All those guys that like to slowly take their horse to the end of the alleyway and look and then go back to gate and then run caused them to put in the stupid rule where once you come in the gate you can't turn around. I don't know why those guys need to do that anyway. They make a jillion runs on those horses before, like they don't know what they are in the pen for. |
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 Loves to compete
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Location: Oakdale, CA | So are they taking so long in the chute to pull the bullrope so tight it sucks the air out of the bull and the buck? Theres a reason behind it what is it? |
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| got boost? - 2016-01-25 4:59 PM
So are they taking so long in the chute to pull the bullrope so tight it sucks the air out of the bull and the buck? Theres a reason behind it what is it?Â
Basically yes. The longer you can keep a pulled rope, or rigging or saddle on a bucking animal the more energy you "soak" out of them. It makes them uncomfortable and less willing to buck as hard. |
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| ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-25 4:38 PM
What is really sucks about this is there might be a time when they needed more than a minute for a bull that was really bad in the chute and those that have abused this have made them put this rule in. Same thing with the alleyway at the BBR. All those guys that like to slowly take their horse to the end of the alleyway and look and then go back to gate and then run caused them to put in the stupid rule where once you come in the gate you can't turn around. I don't know why those guys need to do that anyway. They make a jillion runs on those horses before, like they don't know what they are in the pen for. Â
I call BS. There is distinct difference between a chute fighter and a rider attempting to soak. I'm sure the 1 minute rule is at judges discretion as well. And, maybe, if these guys hadn't been attempting to soak these animals for so many years, there would be less chute fighters.
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BHW's Simon Cowell
Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | cyount2009 - 2016-01-25 5:12 PM ksjackofalltrades - 2016-01-25 4:38 PM What is really sucks about this is there might be a time when they needed more than a minute for a bull that was really bad in the chute and those that have abused this have made them put this rule in. Same thing with the alleyway at the BBR. All those guys that like to slowly take their horse to the end of the alleyway and look and then go back to gate and then run caused them to put in the stupid rule where once you come in the gate you can't turn around. I don't know why those guys need to do that anyway. They make a jillion runs on those horses before, like they don't know what they are in the pen for. I call BS. There is distinct difference between a chute fighter and a rider attempting to soak. I'm sure the 1 minute rule is at judges discretion as well. And, maybe, if these guys hadn't been attempting to soak these animals for so many years, there would be less chute fighters.
Edited by ksjackofalltrades 2016-01-25 7:03 PM
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| From a viewers standpoint I think the PBR is doing a good job of enforcing the rule. I DO think it is funny though that when a Brazilians bull has a bad out it is the riders fault but when another bull runs down the pen nobody says a thing! Yes, they did say that JBs short round bull was out of shape but he didn't even turn back, nobody is blaming JB! Just like your barrel horse has bad days the bulls won't always be right on! One thing I think they could do to improve the broadcast is to not have Ty anymore, so much more enjoyable with JW! |
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