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| jbhoot - 2014-04-13 1:29 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 1:07 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 1:02 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:58 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:50 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:43 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:37 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:33 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:15 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:05 PM daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election. Bscanchaser, are you familiar with the reports that Harry Reid and Son are involved w/ China and Nevada Land for Energy Production? And these 'goings on' are dated to back to 2003 minimally. Historical Research is a good thing. Also Obama and The Rest of The Executive Branch of Government is heavily influenced by The Chinese Government due to Chinese Government holding so much FEDERAL not State Debt. Yes I have read about this. For some reason I can't seem to figure out how a 9,000 acre solar/wind facility would shut down a 600,000 acre multi-use area...especially when there are windmills in various other regions in the state and other areas of BLM multi-use seem to function just fine. Research is a good thing... Ok. Let me you ask a 'pointed' question. Do you support Harry Reid? No. I have never support or voted for Harry Reid. But your current comment (s ) indicate differently. Does the definition of hypocrisy come to mind? I always attempt to avoid the least indication of hypocrisy or conflict of interest along w/ jealousy and envy.............................. Perhaps I am. However symbolically speaking I am SUPPORTING The U.S. Constitution, States Rights. And the FACT remains that the Feds (BLM ) were on State Owned Land enforcing something that The LOCAL County Sherriff was responsible for..................... Where has it been said that an agent from a Federal Court presented a court order to the Sheriff to enact? To say that he failed to do his duties is a reach. Isn't it odd thou as soon as the Sheriff did get involved the BLM backed down.....Hmmmmm I wonder why.
I have no idea, Hoot. If he wasn't presented with a court order then he probably doesn't have the authority here that others are suggesting. | |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-13 1:35 PM
jbhoot - 2014-04-13 1:29 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 1:07 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 1:02 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:58 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:50 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:43 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:37 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:33 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:15 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:05 PM daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election. Bscanchaser, are you familiar with the reports that Harry Reid and Son are involved w/ China and Nevada Land for Energy Production? And these 'goings on' are dated to back to 2003 minimally. Historical Research is a good thing. Also Obama and The Rest of The Executive Branch of Government is heavily influenced by The Chinese Government due to Chinese Government holding so much FEDERAL not State Debt. Yes I have read about this. For some reason I can't seem to figure out how a 9,000 acre solar/wind facility would shut down a 600,000 acre multi-use area...especially when there are windmills in various other regions in the state and other areas of BLM multi-use seem to function just fine. Research is a good thing... Ok. Let me you ask a 'pointed' question. Do you support Harry Reid? No. I have never support or voted for Harry Reid. But your current comment (s ) indicate differently. Does the definition of hypocrisy come to mind? I always attempt to avoid the least indication of hypocrisy or conflict of interest along w/ jealousy and envy.............................. Perhaps I am. However symbolically speaking I am SUPPORTING The U.S. Constitution, States Rights. And the FACT remains that the Feds (BLM ) were on State Owned Land enforcing something that The LOCAL County Sherriff was responsible for..................... Where has it been said that an agent from a Federal Court presented a court order to the Sheriff to enact? To say that he failed to do his duties is a reach. Isn't it odd thou as soon as the Sheriff did get involved the BLM backed down.....Hmmmmm I wonder why.
The Sheriff has the authority to order the cease and desist of harassment of a private citizen. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | TXBO - 2014-04-13 12:25 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-13 1:16 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 12:12 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-13 1:06 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 12:01 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 12:59 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 12:56 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-13 12:33 PM bscanchaser - 2014-04-13 11:05 AM daisycake123 - 2014-04-13 11:42 AM It was not about the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
The 'mainstream media' is handling this with kid gloves...they didn't report anything until it was over...woosies.
Yesterday was a good day in America!
Speaking of Selective Law Enforcement............What is the difference between this BLM Event (which could actually have originally been legit ) and the lack of INS to round up and deport Illegal Aliens on such a scale as happened in Nevada? Selective enforcement? Research the Dann sisters, Leonard Crutcher and the Casey's. All illegally grazed in Nevada and all were handled the exact same with stock being rounded up by the BLM and sold at auction.
Remember the 9th Amendment.
Lol...a person would have to wonder that if the fed doesn't have jurisdiction concerning the land in question then how could the federal courts have jurisdiction? Hmmm...
The 9th Amendment, here's something I wrote up long ago to 'break down' the words:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
The 9th Amendment is simply a statement that other rights aside from those listed may exist, and just because they are not listed doesn't mean they can be violated.
So, when you look up the 9th amendment this is what you find pretty much. Unfortunately, no one digs any further....so lets do just that! It's important!!!
Enumeration:1 : to ascertain the number of
Construed:
1. To adduce or explain the meaning of; interpret: construed my smile as assent.explain. See Synonyms at
2. Grammar
a. To analyze the structure of (a clause or sentence).
b. To use syntactically: The noun fish can be construed as singular or plural.
3. To translate, especially aloud.
v.intr.
1. To analyze grammatical structure.
2. To be subject to grammatical analysis.
n. (knstr)
An interpretation or translation.
Interpret: 1. (tr) to clarify or explain the meaning of; elucidate
deny:de·ny (d-n)play_w2("D0138500")
tr.v. de·nied, de·ny·ing, de·nies
1. To declare untrue; contradict.
2. To refuse to believe; reject.
3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.
4.
a. To decline to grant or allow; refuse: deny the student's request; denied the prisoner food or water.
b. To give a refusal to; turn down or away: The protesters were determined not to be denied.
c. To restrain (oneself) especially from indulgence in pleasures.
disparage:dis·par·age (d-sprj)play_w2("D0278500")
tr.v. dis·par·aged, dis·par·ag·ing, dis·par·ag·es
1. To speak of in a slighting or disrespectful way; belittle. See Synonyms at decry.
2. To reduce in esteem or rank.
retained:
tr.v. re·tained, re·tain·ing, re·tains
1. To maintain possession of. See Synonyms at keep.
2. To keep or hold in a particular place, condition, or position.
3. To keep in mind; remember.
4. To hire (an attorney, for example) by the payment of a fee.
5. To keep in one's service or pay.
So once you put translate this into modern language the 9th Amendment says...
There is no set number of certain Constitutional Rights and no man, government nor judge shall belittle you into thinking
they have the power to interpret the Constitution in any way that would deny you the inalienable rights that you possess & that this Constitution protects.
Feel free to play around with a better translation...translate the words anyway you want...does it not say that no matter, though?
It shouldn't matter a judge's person as long as they don't commit the crime of interpreting the Constitution! Lol!
I'm not alone or unique in my defense of our Constitution.
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Location: North Texas | HotbearLVR - 2014-04-13 2:13 PM
Y'all scared her off. Shame on you....
Shame on 'us'? Okay I see your point. MRS Finney is famous for copy 'n paste hit 'n run posts. Her MO has been documented over her tenure here.
She just attempts to drop bombs and then run. However, there are many here who can and will go toe to toe w/ and she cannot stand the heat so to speak. So she heats up the kitchen and then leaves. | |
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch | |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-13 2:18 PM
Here's a balanced article from a respected source that also includes the court orders. It also says that that land was, in fact, deeded to the federal govt in 1848.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch
Made the link live:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bund... | |
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Googly Goo
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| musikmaker - 2014-04-13 1:58 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 12:25 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-13 1:16 PM [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranchout the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
The 'mainstream media' is handling this with kid gloves...they didn't report anything until it was over...woosies.
Yesterday was a good day in America!
Remember the 9th Amendment.
If you challenge the constitutional authority of the judiciary, I understand why I don't get many of your other constitutional arguments. Lol! Lol...a person would have to wonder that if the fed doesn't have jurisdiction concerning the land in question then how could the federal courts have jurisdiction? Hmmm...
The 9th Amendment, here's something I wrote up long ago to 'break down' the words:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
The 9th Amendment is simply a statement that other rights aside from those listed may exist, and just because they are not listed doesn't mean they can be violated.
So, when you look up the 9th amendment this is what you find pretty much. Unfortunately, no one digs any further....so lets do just that! It's important!!!
Enumeration:1 : to ascertain the number of
Construed:
1. To adduce or explain the meaning of; interpret: construed my smile as assent.explain. See Synonyms at
2. Grammar
a. To analyze the structure of (a clause or sentence).
b. To use syntactically: The noun fish can be construed as singular or plural.
3. To translate, especially aloud.
v.intr.
1. To analyze grammatical structure.
2. To be subject to grammatical analysis.
n. (knstr)
An interpretation or translation.
Interpret: 1. (tr) to clarify or explain the meaning of; elucidate
deny:de·ny (d-n)play_w2("D0138500")
tr.v. de·nied, de·ny·ing, de·nies
1. To declare untrue; contradict.
2. To refuse to believe; reject.
3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.
4.
a. To decline to grant or allow; refuse: deny the student's request; denied the prisoner food or water.
b. To give a refusal to; turn down or away: The protesters were determined not to be denied.
c. To restrain (oneself) especially from indulgence in pleasures.
disparage:dis·par·age (d-sprj)play_w2("D0278500")
tr.v. dis·par·aged, dis·par·ag·ing, dis·par·ag·es
1. To speak of in a slighting or disrespectful way; belittle. See Synonyms at decry.
2. To reduce in esteem or rank.
retained:
tr.v. re·tained, re·tain·ing, re·tains
1. To maintain possession of. See Synonyms at keep.
2. To keep or hold in a particular place, condition, or position.
3. To keep in mind; remember.
4. To hire (an attorney, for example) by the payment of a fee.
5. To keep in one's service or pay.
So once you put translate this into modern language the 9th Amendment says...
There is no set number of certain Constitutional Rights and no man, government nor judge shall belittle you into thinking
they have the power to interpret the Constitution in any way that would deny you the inalienable rights that you possess & that this Constitution protects.
Feel free to play around with a better translation...translate the words anyway you want...does it not say that no matter, though?
It shouldn't matter a judge's person as long as they don't commit the crime of interpreting the Constitution! Lol!
I'm not alone or unique in my defense of our Constitution.
LOL! I'm a big fan of the 9th. Let me ask you this..... Do you believe a stable domestic food source is a matter of domestic security? How about energy? | |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-13 2:24 PM
musikmaker - 2014-04-13 1:58 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 12:25 PM musikmaker - 2014-04-13 1:16 PM [http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranchout the taxes, or the turtles. It is about a the land those cows where on and harry reid building some solar/wind farm. look through the other threads andmthere a news release. But those blm thugs and snaipers there are better ways to handle, you need to read there the mainstream media propaganda and find the real truth. Harry Reid must have been some kind of amazing to be able to predict a solar/wind development would be installed 21 years after the BLM cancelled the permit. Guess its about like the fracking article that tried to connect the dots between the BLM land Bundy was trespassing on and the actual fracking permit that was sold for Elko County...300 miles away. I agree 100% with the OP and have talked to several Northern Nevada ranchers the feel like they were just slapped in the face because this guy takes resources that the rest pay for. This whole deal has made Democrats out of a whole lot of people I thought were Republicans. I have never seen so many people jump on a bandwagon in support of free services/rights/entitlement since the first Obama election.
The 'mainstream media' is handling this with kid gloves...they didn't report anything until it was over...woosies.
Yesterday was a good day in America!
Remember the 9th Amendment.
If you challenge the constitutional authority of the judiciary, I understand why I don't get many of your other constitutional arguments. Lol! Lol...a person would have to wonder that if the fed doesn't have jurisdiction concerning the land in question then how could the federal courts have jurisdiction? Hmmm...
The 9th Amendment, here's something I wrote up long ago to 'break down' the words:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
The 9th Amendment is simply a statement that other rights aside from those listed may exist, and just because they are not listed doesn't mean they can be violated.
So, when you look up the 9th amendment this is what you find pretty much. Unfortunately, no one digs any further....so lets do just that! It's important!!!
Enumeration:1 : to ascertain the number of
Construed:
1. To adduce or explain the meaning of; interpret: construed my smile as assent.explain. See Synonyms at
2. Grammar
a. To analyze the structure of (a clause or sentence).
b. To use syntactically: The noun fish can be construed as singular or plural.
3. To translate, especially aloud.
v.intr.
1. To analyze grammatical structure.
2. To be subject to grammatical analysis.
n. (knstr)
An interpretation or translation.
Interpret: 1. (tr) to clarify or explain the meaning of; elucidate
deny:de·ny (d-n)play_w2("D0138500")
tr.v. de·nied, de·ny·ing, de·nies
1. To declare untrue; contradict.
2. To refuse to believe; reject.
3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.
4.
a. To decline to grant or allow; refuse: deny the student's request; denied the prisoner food or water.
b. To give a refusal to; turn down or away: The protesters were determined not to be denied.
c. To restrain (oneself) especially from indulgence in pleasures.
disparage:dis·par·age (d-sprj)play_w2("D0278500")
tr.v. dis·par·aged, dis·par·ag·ing, dis·par·ag·es
1. To speak of in a slighting or disrespectful way; belittle. See Synonyms at decry.
2. To reduce in esteem or rank.
retained:
tr.v. re·tained, re·tain·ing, re·tains
1. To maintain possession of. See Synonyms at keep.
2. To keep or hold in a particular place, condition, or position.
3. To keep in mind; remember.
4. To hire (an attorney, for example) by the payment of a fee.
5. To keep in one's service or pay.
So once you put translate this into modern language the 9th Amendment says...
There is no set number of certain Constitutional Rights and no man, government nor judge shall belittle you into thinking
they have the power to interpret the Constitution in any way that would deny you the inalienable rights that you possess & that this Constitution protects.
Feel free to play around with a better translation...translate the words anyway you want...does it not say that no matter, though?
It shouldn't matter a judge's person as long as they don't commit the crime of interpreting the Constitution! Lol!
I'm not alone or unique in my defense of our Constitution.
LOL! I'm a big fan of the 9th. Let me ask you this..... Do you believe a stable domestic food source is a matter of domestic security? How about energy?
As long as said stable sources are not State or Foreign Controlled. What I am saying is Free Enterprise Market sources of Domestic Food and Energy is what I support. And let me add neither State, Federal or Foreign Influenced either! | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Google Praetorian Class and read up. It explains quite a lot of what we're seeing. https://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/rise-praetorian-class
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Location: North Texas | foundation horse - 2014-04-13 2:21 PM
TXBO - 2014-04-13 2:18 PM
Here's a balanced article from a respected source that also includes the court orders. It also says that that land was, in fact, deeded to the federal govt in 1848.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bundy-Ranch
Made the link live:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/12/The-Saga-of-Bund...
So per this article then Cliven Bundy is in the wrong and using Symbolism in order to extend this event. However, I must add that The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is quite commonly referred to as "The Ninth Circus". This particular Court does not hold much credibility with many people. This would include Legal Scholars. | |
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Location: North Texas |
Wow! What a revealing story. This paragraph really gives One reason to think:
In Summary
The emergence and rise of the Praetorian Class is a common observation in societies that have transitioned from market-based meritocracies to societies governed by coercive syndicates formed by the Political Class. The Praetorian Class is formed and grown to defend the Political Class and in time becomes the dragon that rules its master. It represents a highly disturbing trend because it foretells the decline, not the advance, of a society. In some instances, the decline is peaceful, clearing the path for an improved future. Unfortunately, in many instances that is not the case. The Political Class leverages the full force of the Praetorian Class representing significant loss in wealth, personal freedom and, in many cases, human life. For this reason, it is critical that productive members of society take steps to protect themselves.
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When you have ever expanding laws and regulation, a growing praetorian class is inevitable. | |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | foundation horse - 2014-04-13 1:44 PM foundation horse - 2014-04-13 2:21 PM
Ick...that made me ill. Endangered species, fragil fauna, archeological sites...bad cows.
Still no proof of ownership. Poor poor fed.
Partial history...intent of Forefathers completely lacking.
Intent of current administrations completely transparent. Lol. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2014-04-13 3:03 PM When you have ever expanding laws and regulation, a growing praetorian class is inevitable.
I hadn't heard that term until someone brought it up in another conversation. Things like arming the IRS, the creation of DHS, this case with the BLM and other disturbing things make more sense now. Is escalation inevitable or can we stop it tho? | |
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Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-13 3:19 PM
TXBO - 2014-04-13 3:03 PM When you have ever expanding laws and regulation, a growing praetorian class is inevitable.
Good question. But currently the ballot box has been proven to be effective in curbing this. But I do know a surefire remedy to put an end to the Praetorian Class..................However it is bloody. | |
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Googly Goo
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| Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-13 3:19 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 3:03 PM When you have ever expanding laws and regulation, a growing praetorian class is inevitable.
You have to stop the expanding laws and regulations. Law without consistent enforcement is anarchy. This Bundy case is a great example of the pitfalls. | |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2014-04-13 3:26 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-13 3:19 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 3:03 PM When you have ever expanding laws and regulation, a growing praetorian class is inevitable.
Now this I can and agree with! | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TXBO - 2014-04-13 3:26 PM Three 4 Luck - 2014-04-13 3:19 PM TXBO - 2014-04-13 3:03 PM When you have ever expanding laws and regulation, a growing praetorian class is inevitable.
Can we just fire Congress then?  | |
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