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Heck ya! I'd send those two one to start!!! Better hands already than most out there.....LOVED the videos! |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-04-20 2:48 PM
Itsme, the person you describe sounds like an exceptional trainer. Â I think a lot of people have seen too many 4-5 yr olds have a great futurity career, and then fizzle out, for a variety of reasons, chief among them the training methods combined with pushing them too hard, too young. Â Of course there are exceptions, but my impression is that most horses that do well in futurities simply don't hold up over the long haul. Â Most people here are interested in that horse that will last well into their teens, at least, and remain very competitive at a high level. Â If the trainer you describe has a record of producing a lot of futurity winners that hold up over the long haul, then who can argue with success? Â I don't consider what others are saying to be "drivel", though. A lot of it makes sense to me.
Its all in good fun.
Some people throw their weight around and talk big on here but im sure they under perform in the arena, and if they feel its necessary to down talk to others ill dish it out a little too. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I just went with a friend to visit her 2-year old at a trainer in Vinita, Oklahoma. Prior, the gelding had very good ground manners and had been saddled and walked around a round pen 10 times, in a halter. After three weeks, her colt was soft in the face, stopped/changed direction without resistance; willingly transitioned walk-trot and trot-walk; transitioned to canter after about 1 circle or less of "speed trotting" - nose was to inside and gelding had beginnings of a good bend to outside with his ribcage; 360-degree sow pivot on hind lg in both directions; backed well, but with some head tossing; stood still at halt and wile being mounted/unmounted; relaxed expression with decent headset and visible lack of tension in back and neck; excellent reach from behind. |
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| Where they are at 60 rides is really a tough question. Everyone wants something different. They might be rode out in the pasture 50 of 60 days and not have the drill work but sure have good experience.
Some might seem really behind after 30 or 60 days but are actually really set up to be WAY ahead after 45 or 70 rides due to the foundation and building blocks in place.
I'm not a colt starter and the gentleman in the video has a pretty positve reputation. I'm not saying I could do anywhere near what he has done, just observing that when I watched that it wasn't what I was expecting
I'd also say that arguing that you don't know much about starting colts unless you've trained successful 1d horses is kind of like saying Michael Jordan wasn't good at basketabll because he isn't good at painting the lines on the court. Both things are real necassary but have little to do with each other. I'd even venture a guess that the vast majority of successful barrel trainers don't start many colts at all. |
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| Frenchie - 2014-04-20 9:45 PM
Where they are at 60 rides is really a tough question. Everyone wants something different. They might be rode out in the pasture 50 of 60 days and not have the drill work but sure have good experience.
Some might seem really behind after 30 or 60 days but are actually really set up to be WAY ahead after 45 or 70 rides due to the foundation and building blocks in place.
I'm not a colt starter and the gentleman in the video has a pretty positve reputation.  I'm not saying I could do anywhere near what he has done, just observing that when I watched that it wasn't what I was expecting
I'd also say that arguing that you don't know much about starting colts unless you've trained successful 1d horses is kind of like saying Michael Jordan wasn't good at basketabll because he isn't good at painting the lines on the court. Both things are real necassary but have little to do with each other. I'd even venture a guess that the vast majority of successful barrel trainers don't start many colts at all.Â
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Itsme - 2014-04-20 9:29 PM HotbearLVR - 2014-04-20 2:48 PM Itsme, the person you describe sounds like an exceptional trainer. I think a lot of people have seen too many 4-5 yr olds have a great futurity career, and then fizzle out, for a variety of reasons, chief among them the training methods combined with pushing them too hard, too young. Of course there are exceptions, but my impression is that most horses that do well in futurities simply don't hold up over the long haul. Most people here are interested in that horse that will last well into their teens, at least, and remain very competitive at a high level. If the trainer you describe has a record of producing a lot of futurity winners that hold up over the long haul, then who can argue with success? I don't consider what others are saying to be "drivel", though. A lot of it makes sense to me. Its all in good fun. Some people throw their weight around and talk big on here but im sure they under perform in the arena, and if they feel its necessary to down talk to others ill dish it out a little too.
We rarely have used them in the first 60 days but I won't say that we have never used them. IMO, what it boils down to is the CORRECT use of the german martingale.
That being said.....ITSME....you very seldom add much to the discussion other than trying to stir up crap.....
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They are awesome!!!
And ummm, Momma, why are you up and around??
Thought you were on house arrest??
Hows the babies doing?
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Location: Over by those oil wells, TX | Canchasr1 - 2014-04-21 9:28 AM
They are awesome!!!
 And ummm, Momma, why are you up and around??
Thought you were on house arrest??
 Hows the babies doing?
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 Soooo cute! Can't wait 'il my granddaughter can have fun like that!! Congrats! |
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| Herbie - 2014-04-20 8:32 PM
 Heck ya! I'd send those two one to start!!! Better hands already than most out there.....LOVED the videos!
Agreed!! Good job young ladies :) |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Herbie - 2014-04-20 8:32 PM Heck ya! I'd send those two one to start!!! Better hands already than most out there.....LOVED the videos!
Rach.... |
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| I just sent one to a new guy. After a week and half he had her loping in circles. She already knew how to flex and lope on the correct lead before she ever went to the trainer. |
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| GoGaited - 2014-04-19 1:52 PM Not impressed.
Care to share a video of yours? |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Man, I wish I had a video of mine to show. I haven't seen her yet, but dude says he's opening gates with Man Eater....that alone is super impressive to me....I hate having to get off of a horse to open a gate. I'm hoping he's got her carrying the beer cooler too.
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Location: NE Texas | LRQHS - 2014-04-21 10:26 AM Man, I wish I had a video of mine to show. I haven't seen her yet, but dude says he's opening gates with Man Eater....that alone is super impressive to me....I hate having to get off of a horse to open a gate. I'm hoping he's got her carrying the beer cooler too.
When are you going to go see her???? Dang....I send you video and I get nothing back from you. It's give, give, give from me and I get nothing back. This relationship is like 90/10....and i'm getting the 10! BLAHAHAHA 
That is awesome and I can't wait to see her go! |
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2014-04-20 3:24 PM
 I couldn't ride for many of you.  I don't want my 2 yo ridden that hard, the first 60 days, to be able to do what many of you are saying.  I've been accused of being in grandma mode, but I don't put that much pressure on my babies.  Mine would most closely resemble geronabean's description.  With probably still a little less emphasis on head position.Â
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Herbie - 2014-04-21 10:37 AM LRQHS - 2014-04-21 10:26 AM Man, I wish I had a video of mine to show. I haven't seen her yet, but dude says he's opening gates with Man Eater....that alone is super impressive to me....I hate having to get off of a horse to open a gate. I'm hoping he's got her carrying the beer cooler too. When are you going to go see her???? Dang....I send you video and I get nothing back from you. It's give, give, give from me and I get nothing back. This relationship is like 90/10....and i'm getting the 10! BLAHAHAHA
That is awesome and I can't wait to see her go!
I have PLENTY of high quality videos on FACEBOOK!
I see her this weekend for sure, if not sooner. I'm going to ride her and if she doesn't kill me, I am bringing her home :) |
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Location: NE Texas | LRQHS - 2014-04-21 11:04 AM Herbie - 2014-04-21 10:37 AM LRQHS - 2014-04-21 10:26 AM Man, I wish I had a video of mine to show. I haven't seen her yet, but dude says he's opening gates with Man Eater....that alone is super impressive to me....I hate having to get off of a horse to open a gate. I'm hoping he's got her carrying the beer cooler too. When are you going to go see her???? Dang....I send you video and I get nothing back from you. It's give, give, give from me and I get nothing back. This relationship is like 90/10....and i'm getting the 10! BLAHAHAHA
That is awesome and I can't wait to see her go!
I see her this weekend for sure, if not sooner. I'm going to ride her and if she doesn't kill me, I am bringing her home :)
See what I mean....no compromise. I say youtube, you say facebook. Ugh...tomAtoes, tomotoes....
That's pretty exciting! Better drop the Rail Ditch off when you pick the Man Eater up! |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | Herbie - 2014-04-21 11:08 AM LRQHS - 2014-04-21 11:04 AM Herbie - 2014-04-21 10:37 AM LRQHS - 2014-04-21 10:26 AM Man, I wish I had a video of mine to show. I haven't seen her yet, but dude says he's opening gates with Man Eater....that alone is super impressive to me....I hate having to get off of a horse to open a gate. I'm hoping he's got her carrying the beer cooler too. When are you going to go see her???? Dang....I send you video and I get nothing back from you. It's give, give, give from me and I get nothing back. This relationship is like 90/10....and i'm getting the 10! BLAHAHAHA
That is awesome and I can't wait to see her go!
I see her this weekend for sure, if not sooner. I'm going to ride her and if she doesn't kill me, I am bringing her home :)
That's pretty exciting! Better drop the Rail Ditch off when you pick the Man Eater up!
I CAN'T FIGURE THE BLASTED YOUTUBE OUT!!!!
You would love my original videos. I am an artiste :) |
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Location: Driving, Grooming, or Saddling for a Kid! | Ok i have another twist....where do you expect a 5 yr old off the track that stand s to be saddled with a western saddle and doesnt buck to be after 60 days? |
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