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Location: NC | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 12:15 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
 You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
 For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology
You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn. So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
I have no idea what purina uses as purina horse feed is not licensed in Canada.
According to the last sentence the left over corn and yeast from making ethanol is used in animal feed this being low in starch high in vitamin b and protein, I would be interested in seeing how the companies are using corn.
Cracked corn may have been the raw form, but my guess if yeast is on the ingredient list, they are using the above process.
Also I am speaking about pelleted feeds, not sweet feed.
Both the Senior and Omolenes (and other textured Purina feeds) use CRACKED corn, so they're not extruding anything. It's just there, in the bag, as cracked corn.
Their pelleted feeds use generic terminology to describe what is in the bag.
"Collective feed names are used to avoid preparation of new labels if one or more ingredients is changed (Table II). When collective feed names are used, individual ingredients within a group aren’t listed on the label. Collective feed names are used on feed labels when diets are developed based on least-cost formulation, which ensures a constant guaranteed analysis. Least-cost diet formulation will select the most inexpensive ingredients to provide the guaranteed analysis. As a result, the percentage of ingredients selected may vary with each diet formulation."
Here's the site I found that excerpt from and it has some more relevant info. Amazing what you can learn just from looking up research information from unbiased sources........
http://www.ianrpubs.unl.edu/pages/publicationD.jsp?publicationId=12
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| The information you posted is old 7 years, there are no references and not peer reviewed.
Canadian laws are different for the tags on the bag, and yes it can change, also when we purchase feed they have to record the lot number on our account that way if there is a recall people are notified.
I can say I have been called for a recall as the contents of the bag did not match the tag, one ingredient was missing. | |
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Location: NC | cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 1:02 PM
The information you posted is old 7 years, there are no references and not peer reviewed.
Canadian laws are different for the tags on the bag, and yes it can change, also when we purchase feed they have to record the lot number on our account that way if there is a recall people are notified.
I can say I have been called for a recall as the contents of the bag did not match the tag, one ingredient was missing.
The basic definitions of feed stuffs haven't changed. And they never will. Many other articles/sources say the same things. Trust me, I've read plenty. This is a "basic" way to understand feeds, tags, and basic nutrition. It wasn't meant to be a study into the physiological processes of the equine metabolism. Just a basic "here's what you tag really means" thing.
Using general terms instead of exact ingredients allows feed companies, like Purina, to vary the formula in each batch to their liking. If soybean prices go up, they can replace is with cottonseed meal. Same with other ingredients. As long as the analysis stays the same, the ingredients can change.
No thanks. I'll stick with fixed formula with ingredients I can read, understand and be sure my formula doesn't change with prices. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
Cheryl is 100% correct on her information regarding corn and UNLESS you have actually toured (or worked) in a feed manufacturing plant, you don't have a CLUE as to how the corn is processed for the feed....you had better stick to human biology..... | |
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Location: relocated to Texas | You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain.
Not all Purina feed is "sweet".......We have fed feed from numerous companies and they ALL have a problem with their "sweet" concoctions.....especially if they are not handled correctly, are in humid conditions, stored on cement, etc.....we lost a horse due to colic (that we were boarding while we moved back to Iowa) because the guy kept his sweet feed in a freezer and it was moldy...and it wasn't Purina.....just saying, it happens with ALL brands..... | |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain.
That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice. | |
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
 You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
 For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : )
Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them.
No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple.
I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 3:38 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : ) Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them. No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple. I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
OMG.....are you serious......Have you EVER even BEEN in a feed manufacturing plant.....or a feed research facility.....or have a degree in equine nutrition.....or ever actually BEEN to a Purina mill.........if so, I will certainly "bow down" to YOUR expertise......
What's really funny is that it wasn't THAT long ago....all "racing" horses were fed straight oats.....and did just fine....but you are probably a little too young to remember any of that because it was before your "internet education".....bon jour!
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Location: relocated to Texas | NJJ - 2014-05-04 2:03 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. Not all Purina feed is "sweet".......We have fed feed from numerous companies and they ALL have a problem with their "sweet" concoctions.....especially if they are not handled correctly, are in humid conditions, stored on cement, etc.....we lost a horse due to colic (that we were boarding while we moved back to Iowa) because the guy kept his sweet feed in a freezer and it was moldy...and it wasn't Purina.....just saying, it happens with ALL brands.....
And Norma, I just read your post above. I would definately feed straight oats over feeding a processed feed or a feed with molasses.
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Location: relocated to Texas | CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
Glad it works for you. I personally, don't like. I gave my opinion and my opinion is that I think its crap. I have a good friend in Iowa who lives and works on a family grain farm. One year the crop was huge, she said there was so much grain they couldn't get it to the elevators and store it, there was no more room. So the farmers piled it up in the fields. She said their were huge piles with black mold on them. I asked her what the heck they were going to do with that grain. She said, "Sell it for animal feed." She wouldn't feed her horses processed feed or feed covered with molasses for this reason. I buy whole grain and mix my own. I want to know that I am feeding clean grain. IMO Woody's is one brand that has the cleanest grain out there. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NJJ - 2014-05-03 4:26 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals. I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice.
I agree with what your saying Sweet Cheeks, LOL....
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Location: Florida.. | hlynn - 2014-05-03 4:38 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk. You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : ) Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them. No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple. I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
Purina equine Senior is NOT sweet feed.. I fed it before triple crown. and I would feed the SR.. its a soft pellet with beet pulp in it so it is a texture pellet.. not sweet feed as you state..just to clarify.I wouldnt feed ANY brand sweet feed.. | |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 5:26 PM
Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 4:08 PM CYA Ranch - 2014-05-04 2:09 PM Hollywood's Fan - 2014-05-03 2:52 PM You know when I read the title of this post I thought to myself "So what else is new?" Mold in omolene is pretty common actually. IMO this feed is junk. Who knows what the quality of grain is (I am betting it is poor) because they cover it all up in a ton of molasses. Horses don't need the sugar. I buy whole grain and mix my own. With that I feed Dynamite minerals.  I can better control the quality of grain when I can actually SEE the grain. That junk feed sure makes my mare look great and she sure runs nice. Â
No one said they were the ONLY junk feed company. They're one of them for sure though.
And how did we get on the topic of oats? I was talking about corn. Cheryl posted about corn. Now you're talking about oats. Again, changing subjects. Grasping at anything you can.
My feed has oats in it. But you can be sure there isn't any cracked corn in it.
No one even mentioned oats. You need to READ. And stop throwing random things around.
And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to. | |
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | Bibliafarm - 2014-05-03 6:22 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 4:38 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 3:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 10:51 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-03 11:46 AM hlynn - 2014-05-03 9:24 AM NJJ - 2014-05-03 8:37 AM hlynn - 2014-05-02 10:05 PM Frodo - 2014-05-02 8:15 PM hlynn - 2014-05-01 10:13 PM PoliceWife2014 - 2014-05-01 11:10 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-05-02 9:05 AM I would call the company with the lot no to notify them as it may be the entire batch is bad. I would also ask them if they will offer a refund and if they want the bag I bought the bag from my work at tractor supply. Told the, and they said they won't refund me but give me a discount on my next bag. I told them to check the other bags for exp. Date. And a smell. Don't use Purina, especially from TSC. If the receiver is lazy, the feed never gets rotated. And Purina is junk anyways. Much better feed companies out there. You're paying a premium price for pure junk.
 You're feeding your horses pure sugar. They have corn in BOTH formulas you mentioned and corn causes inflammation. I don't condemn Purina for this one single offense. I condemn them because they're a terrible company. I have yet to have a positive experience with them or their feed. Their reps aren't very knowledgable. And every single feed company spends money on research. Maybe they need to take some of that money they spend on research and spend it training their reps in equine nutrition. Or maybe they should spend it on higher quality ingredients. And I've done a crap ton of research on feed companies, their individual feeds & feed stuffs generally used. Along with equine nutrition and the needs of performance horses. Oh and I've taken simple biology classes too. Just knowing the difference between starch energy and fat energy is enough to know that Purina or any sweet feed in general isn't the best. Anaerobic vs aerobic. That stuff. Just read some studies by KER or equine nutritionists. Not vets. Equine nutritionists. Read the tag. Then tell me how high quality Purina is. Sure, most companies have that 'cheap' feed or two. Purina happens to have a lot of cheap feeds to choose from. There are far better options out there. I tried Omolene 200 years ago when we first moved. Then I woke up and realized what I was feeding my animals. Been an avid Triple Crown fan ever since. You just can't beat their customer service or quality.
Regarding their "Reps" and nutritionists (and I worked with many), I have found them to be VERY knowledgeable. More than llikely, they "blew you off" because you came on like you knew BETTER than they did....
 For as much as they spend on research, they haven't impressed me in any way. They're still buying the cheapest ingredients possible. Still not fixed formula. And most of their products still have generic ingredients listed on the bags. Their 'best' products are sweet feeds. Sure any horse will be fat on sweet feed. You would be fat on straight candy too. But would you be healthy? Probably not. Same thing. Feeding something with starch content higher than 25% is just ridiculous in my opinion. There's no need for it. But you keep defending a company that users corn in their senior feed. An ingredient that can cause inflammation in a feed designed for older horses, some with arthritis! Some awesome research they've done. Like I said, they need to save that money and spend it on better ingredients. Nutrena has completely revamped themselves in the past 5 years. They've introduced new feeds and formulas that just about anyone would be satisfied with. Purina came out with Enrich. (Which is junk too by the way. Just read the label ). That's about it. Besides the 'healthier' version of their cheap pellet. For all that 'research', they sure haven't done much with it. We're the biology courses equine or human? Also corn can be beneficial as it converts to prostaglandin 1 in this same category is safflower, sunflower, peanut, and evening primrose. "Corn... Slightly less palatable than oats,corn has a higher energy density than oats due to lower fibre content of the hull. Corn contains 3.3 Mcal DE per kg, 9 percent protein, and 2.2 percent fibre. Only about 30 percent of shelled or cracked corn is digestible in the stomach and small intestine of the horse..., because corn contains 71 percent starch it is difficult to use healthfully in the rations of growing horses..., The ground corn is mixed with water and yeast inoculant and then fermented; the yeast reduces the sugar and starch to produce ethanol, which is extracted. The remaining mix of cell walls and yeast cells is dried and used in animal feeds. It is high in b vitamins and protein but low in lay sine and simple carbohydrates." Pg 78 The Horse Nutrition Handbook Worth, M. (2010 ) Worth phD, PAS teaches equine nutrition and physiology You should probably know that Purina (and most other sweet feed producers ) uses CRACKED corn in their formulas, not ground and mixed corn.
So thank you for proving that corn has no real benefit in a horse's diet. : ) Um. Last time I checked, the Omolenes and the Equine Senior are all SWEET feeds. Which have cracked corn in them. No mystery there sweet cheeks. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize they're poor quality feeds. Plain and simple. I know you really don't want to admit when I actually know what I'm talking about, but I think you're just grasping at straws. I know what I'm talking about. I have experience with what I'm talking about. And I'm not afraid to say how I feel about a company that is not doing their customers justice. Everyone wants what is best for their animals. Purina makes their feeds the cheapest way they know how. THAT is the research they're doing. Nothing nutritious about it I'm sure.
Last time I read a feed tag for it, cracked corn was listed on the tag. | |
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Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | I dont care . it is not a sweet feed.. maybe in the pellet there is but its not a sweet feed. LOL.. it even states on bag.. pellet..
Im a Triple crown believer but I have fed equine senior .
all sweet feed is bad IMHO.. which ALL brands make or most do.just want to clarify .. not argue.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 5:31 PM And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to.
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A Lady with Fight
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Location: NC | NJJ - 2014-05-03 7:03 PM
hlynn - 2014-05-03 5:31 PM And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to.
 Which ones? Name them........
The Chief in Rose Hill, Butterball/Goldsboro Milling in Goldsboro, Coker in Goldsboro, the feed mill & lab in Raleigh, and a smaller private one in Pikeville. Along with the feed labs for Goldsboro Milling and the feed lab in Raleigh. The one in Raleigh was the best. The guy understood nutrition to the extent that I was hoping for. Very smart guy. Enjoyed that tour.
The others were for all kinds of livestock. Hogs, turkeys, chickens, horses, cows, etc. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | hlynn - 2014-05-03 6:31 PM NJJ - 2014-05-03 7:03 PM hlynn - 2014-05-03 5:31 PM And yes, I have been to feed mills. Quite a few different ones. For all types of livestock. I don't need to tour Purina to know it's junk. Reading their tags gives me that idea. Which I'm fully entitled to. Which ones? Name them........ The Chief in Rose Hill, Butterball/Goldsboro Milling in Goldsboro, Coker in Goldsboro, the feed mill & lab in Raleigh, and a smaller private one in Pikeville. Along with the feed labs for Goldsboro Milling and the feed lab in Raleigh. The one in Raleigh was the best. The guy understood nutrition to the extent that I was hoping for. Very smart guy. Enjoyed that tour. The others were for all kinds of livestock. Hogs, turkeys, chickens, horses, cows, etc. | |
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