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Location: ND | svincent - 2014-07-08 10:00 AM komet. - 2014-07-08 4:46 AM svincent - 2014-07-07 4:32 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain! I'd bet that there was a lot missing from what you heard. They have to put locks on firearms before allowing somebody to handle them in case the customer brought loose ammo and decided to load it and go to town in the store. They absolutely still run checks to buy fire arms, and I'm fairly certain you can't buy an AK-47 at Walmart. Also, the bit about buying a firearm "nowhere close to hunting season", is silly. If you plan to hunt with something, you'd better have it well in advance to sight in and practice with. Even among the very high quality firearms - everything shoots a bit differently. ETA: it was probably an AR-15 which is the civilian version of the military's M-16. The biggest difference being that the AR-15 is semi-auto, while the M-16 is full-auto.
Hunting? What does that have to do with it>
 EXACTLY! It's not my business, your business, her business, Walmart's business, or the government's business why somebody buys a gun. But hunting came up because it was implied that if you buy a gun nowhere close to a hunting season, you are most likely a crazed lunatic looking to go on a killing spree.
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| LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM
I wish I had an assault weapon.....
Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! :)
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Location: The edge of no where | TrailGirl - 2014-07-08 10:25 AM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 10:42 PM SG. - 2014-07-07 10:25 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun. I think you missed some details. No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting? There is no season on varmit hunting
Its season is 365 days a year no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas. Frankly it's not your business. If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business. Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either.
Problem with the background check doesn't mean he didn't pass it. I would put money on there being a technical issue with the site that runs them.
Store manager made a judgement call, he's probably looked at lots of background checks and seen all kinds of 'problems' that really have nothing to do with the people passing the check. After you're familiar with a site and the issues that happen.....you get comfortable making judgement calls. That's why managers are paid more than salespeople. |
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| lindseylou2290 - 2014-07-08 10:40 AM LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM I wish I had an assault weapon..... Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! : ) I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!?
Glad to see that someone understands that an AR15 is not an assault weapon. |
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Location: PNW | TXBO - 2014-07-08 10:50 AM
lindseylou2290 - 2014-07-08 10:40 AM LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM I wish I had an assault weapon..... Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! : ) I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!?
What do you mean TXBO?!?! Everything the liberals say isn't true?!?!?!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions.
Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place. |
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Location: North Texas | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!
In response to the highlighted text referencing a background check. Yes Background Checks areconducted electronically via Federal Form 4437 and generally take less than 15 minutes (when the data base server is functioning correctly). Also in the State of Texas, once One obtains a CHL, said Form 4437 is bypassed due to the concept that CHL Holder already possesses a clean Background in order to be issued a Concealed Handgun Liscense.
However, per the 2nd Amendment Background Checks are NOT required Constitutionally.
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Location: PNW | HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM
"Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions.
Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place.
Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues), instead of just letting the media think for them.
Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think. |
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| svincent - 2014-07-08 11:15 AM TXBO - 2014-07-08 10:50 AM lindseylou2290 - 2014-07-08 10:40 AM LRQHS - 2014-07-07 12:09 PM I wish I had an assault weapon..... Me too! The closest we have is a semi-auto AR-15. Its sweet, we took lace stockings and spray painted over the gun to create a kick ass "camo" type color. We shoot a heck of a lot of varmits and coyotes with it! : ) I wonder if mr O would send me one too!??!? What do you mean TXBO?!?! Everything the liberals say isn't true?!?!?! Woops, spilled some sarcasm on the floor there....
LOL. As Hotbear states: "sybolism over substance." ..... assault weapon, sniper rifle, saturday night special...... They're all evil in their minds. |
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Location: North Texas | Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 4:14 PM I went in WALMART in Marshall TX about a week ago and a guy was asking about some rifle. He was told it was in the back and had to have a lock put on it before they could bring it out. (I thought he said AK 47) He and the salesperson were standing beside a small gun case that was filled with assault rifles. I just glanced at the price and they were $1600 and up. These were DEFINANTLY NOT HUNTING RIFLES. The guy said he wanted to buy the gun right then. We don't do a background check anymore????? This is the same WALMART that I was in about 10 years ago and a guy was flippin out because something was wrong with his background check and the store manager told the salesperson to just go ahead and give the guy the gun. She told him "NO, you do it." He was buying a shotgun. It was in the middle of the summer and not near hunting season. If you want your own assault rifle just head down to your local WALMART and they should be able to fix you up. I just wanted a Swiss army knife for my key chain!
Also, the litteral item such as an assualt rifle is NOT available to the public at large. Hence WalMart does NOT sell assualt rifles. A true assualt rifle is a fully automatic firing (meaning one trigger pull continous firing) weapon. Said weapons have required 'Tax Stamp' since 1934. And are very time consuming and difficult to obtain said Tax Stamp in order to legally purchase said 'assault rifle'. |
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Location: Here | TrailGirl - 2014-07-08 10:25 AM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 10:42 PM SG. - 2014-07-07 10:25 PM Honeymoney - 2014-07-07 5:50 PM You entirely missed the point here about the background check. Why would the guy have to have the shotgun "right now" to go practice????? He could not wait until the background check came back???? Like a couple of days????? Around here we don't practice with our shotguns anyway AND we don't practice with our custom made deer rifles in 105 degree temps because it gets the barrels too hot. Most of the people at the rifle range shoot well enough and so don't really NEED practice. I live in TEXAS. We just don't practice shooting. Most of us have been shooting since we could walk. Guns are an extension of our arm. Better add that there IS a law that says you DO have to PASS a background check BEFROE the purchase of the gun. I think you missed some details. No way they can sell a gun without a background check and most only take. 15 minutes even in Texas
Oh and hunting? There is no season on varmit hunting
Its season is 365 days a year no you missed something there was a PROBLEM with his background check. He was creating such a scene that the store manager was called. HE SAID just give the guy the gun. The salesperson told the manager "You take care of it" The salesperson was way more concerned about breaking a law than the store manager. I was standing there waiting for the sporting goods person to get an ice chest down when the guy showed up and was creating such a scene that the sales person had to wait on him. Then the manager was called they had already run a background check and she said there was a problem. As I said before he apparently did not PASS the check. It really does not matter exactly how long it takes to actually run the check. Do you really think that he would be throwing a fit to go shoot varmits. Also, we generally shoot varmit RIFLES,but then we are pretty good with our weapons.
Not to be snarky...but it seems that you made a whole lot of assumptions to decide what this guy...or the Ar-15 guy... or any other fire arms purchaser may want to do with said fire arm or why they do or do not have any "Reason" to be purchasing one in the summer in Texas. Frankly it's not your business. If I want to purchase an AR-15 to shoot at waterballons on my personal property every day all summer...that's my business. Responsible gun ownership doesn't have a season either.
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Location: North Texas | svincent - 2014-07-08 11:40 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place. Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues ), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think.
As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.
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Location: North Texas | Honeymoney, I hope you have had the opporunity to read the responses to your post in regards to assualt rifles and backgrounds. Because this is the information required to understand the Gun Control Debate. |
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Location: PNW | foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:54 AM
svincent - 2014-07-08 11:40 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place. Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues ), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think.
As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.
In Samantha-Land.....
I think we should implement a pre-voting quiz each voting period. Nothing major, just questions covering major definitions and sides that have to do with the issues being voted on. If you fail, go home and educate yourself, then come back to vote when you know your butt from a hole in the ground.
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Location: PNW | foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:56 AM
Honeymoney, I hope you have had the opporunity to read the responses to your post in regards to assualt rifles and backgrounds. Because this is the information required to understand the Gun Control Debate.
Turns out not everybody from Texas is born with infinite gun knowledge..... Lol |
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| "Why should anyone own an assault weapon" Because I want to be as well armed as my government.....period.
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Location: North Texas | svincent - 2014-07-08 11:59 AM foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:54 AM svincent - 2014-07-08 11:40 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place. Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues ), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think. As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.
In Samantha-Land..... I think we should implement a pre-voting quiz each voting period. Nothing major, just questions covering major definitions and sides that have to do with the issues being voted on. If you fail, go home and educate yourself, then come back to vote when you know your butt from a hole in the ground.
"I" understand, accept and completely embrace the idea behind this, however, I do not look for such a concept to gain traction anytime soon. This concepts means voters would actually have to think and thinking is exactly thought of an acceptable practice currently.
Currently, I am estatic with the FACT that Voter ID is being implemented in order to combat election fraud i.e. multiple voting by the same voter. |
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Location: PNW | foundation horse - 2014-07-08 12:10 PM
svincent - 2014-07-08 11:59 AM foundation horse - 2014-07-08 11:54 AM svincent - 2014-07-08 11:40 AM HotbearLVR - 2014-07-08 11:33 AM "Appearance" is everything to most liberals. "Symbolism over substance" is how they operate. Facts are of secondary importance, most of the time. This is because the typical low information voter only looks at pictures in books, and is attracted to slogans and imagery. That's how most of them draw their conclusions. Many of the so-called "assault weapons" are labelled as such because of appearance, not function. If the rifle LOOKS badass, then it is an assault weapon. Take an ordinary .22 rifle, like the kind your grandpa kept next to the door on the farm,.....add a pistol grip, and a banana clip and, BOOM.....it becomes an evil assault weapon. People get suckered into the debate over what constitutes an "assault weapon" and as soon as that happens, the liberals win, because the truth of the matter is we shouldn't be having the debate in the first place. Exactly. If only people would actually bother to educate themselves on guns (and other hot issues ), instead of just letting the media think for them. Has anybody else read anything by Matthew Bracken? HotBear you would LOVE them I think. As Rush Limbaugh as aptly named this type of individual 'The Low Information Voter' i.e. Someone who is not educated upon the subject matter they are voting on. This scenario has happened twice within the last two election cylces. First time in Nov 2008, Second in Nov 2012. Now 'some' low information voters are beginning to educate themselves after the fact.
In Samantha-Land..... I think we should implement a pre-voting quiz each voting period. Nothing major, just questions covering major definitions and sides that have to do with the issues being voted on. If you fail, go home and educate yourself, then come back to vote when you know your butt from a hole in the ground.
"I" understand, accept and completely embrace the idea behind this, however, I do not look for such a concept to gain traction anytime soon. This concepts means voters would actually have to think and thinking is exactly thought of an acceptable practice currently. Currently, I am estatic with the FACT that Voter ID is being implemented in order to combat election fraud i.e. multiple voting by the same voter.
Lol it would never happen in a billion years.... That's why I added the "in Samantha-Land...." part  |
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