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| Update on my Tildren. Its been 15 days since treatment and my horse is now sound! Was grade 2 lame and now feels.great. | |
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| I had my vet out to check mare . Did not tell her what the hair analysis had said. It was spot on. So yes I'm still a believer. She was having front feet lameness . Hair analysis said her coffin bone. It was correct. Injected coffin bone and she is sound. Also feeding herbs that were reccomended.
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Location: North Dakota | Depends on the EXTENT of de-nerving that you are talking about.
I'm going through lameness with my horse Red right now. If the coffin injections in his front feet every stop work, my vet told me that he is a prime candidate for de-nerving to relieve his heel pain. For him, he would only de-nerve the one that runs down the back of the foot, specifically he would de-nerve under the fetlock. The toe would not be numb. The side of the hoof would not be number. The front of the foot would not be numb. The side of the foot would not be numb. The fetlock would not be numb ......... See what I am getting at here? For the specific problem my horse has, only a very small area would be denerved. Basically the heel bulbs and the very back part of the hoof.
And when this is done for a horse with heel pain you will actually DECREASE the chance they are going to trip and fall. Let's think about this: If a horse has heel pain, they are going to start landing "toe first" in order to avoid that pain. THAT is when a horse is going to stumble. If they hit their toe (landing toe first) and the pastern gives out on them ... then they stumble. But if you've done a proper de-nerving and eliminated their heel pain, they are going to correctly land "flat-footed" or maybe even "heel first" and are going to stumble much less as a result.
So I think it is important to understand exactly what areas of the foot you are going to de-nerve and truly understand how it is going to affect your horse before you say "I'll never ride a horse that is de-nerved because they can't feel their foot." Because it usually is just not correct.
My vet said that most de-nerved (when dealing with heel pain, like my horse) lasts a minimum of 2 years, although the nerve can regenerate. He's got a couple horses that around going 10+ years strong just on one surgery and are doing fine. The maximum amount of times he will do the surgery is 3 times, because by then there is so much scar tissue it is hard to even find the nerve and do a good job.
After knowing all that from my vet, if I was ever looking to buy a horse who had that done, if the horse was the right fit for me, I would buy them. Now, in general, a horse with lameness is a horse with lameness. So just that fact along may have an impact on the price due to the maintence they require. But if they had the de-nerving done, it wouldn't shy me away.
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Location: alabama | i said this in another post...I JUST put a horse down due to someone nerving him previously. The nerves grew back and he was in horrible pain. I just don't think its fair to the horse to keep competing on a nerved horse, the inside is still breaking down the more wear an tear u put on them. Maybe others have had better luck, this was just my experience and it was SUPER hard to watch! | |
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Location: Okla | I was at a junior rodeo just watching a few weeks ago and saw the most gastly thing ever! A horse was running the barrels and when he came around his turn on the second barrel-you could see something happened to him but the horse just kept going until he crossed the finish line where people were standing to get the horse pulled up. His hoof was just "dangling and flopping" back and forth. Word got out the owners had 'nerved' him, so needless to say, the horse had to be put down. To me, it was just wrong to do this to a horse just in hopes of winning a few bucks. I don't understand people these days and know I will ruffle a lot of feathers in saying this, but when you actually see something like this in person, it shines a whole different light on a lot of things-and makes me feel good within myself knowing if any of my horses are not right, they stay home.... | |
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Location: Midwest | old timey barrel rac - 2014-08-10 9:59 AM I was at a junior rodeo just watching a few weeks ago and saw the most gastly thing ever! A horse was running the barrels and when he came around his turn on the second barrel-you could see something happened to him but the horse just kept going until he crossed the finish line where people were standing to get the horse pulled up. His hoof was just "dangling and flopping" back and forth. Word got out the owners had 'nerved' him, so needless to say, the horse had to be put down. To me, it was just wrong to do this to a horse just in hopes of winning a few bucks. I don't understand people these days and know I will ruffle a lot of feathers in saying this, but when you actually see something like this in person, it shines a whole different light on a lot of things-and makes me feel good within myself knowing if any of my horses are not right, they stay home....
They might have nerved the whole foot or had some other sort of do it yourself method, or perhaps the horse was impossible to stop like you sometimes see during a breakdown on the track.
Nowadays if they used current methods to nerve a horse, the horse only loses feeling in a small part of the foot and I would highly doubt a horse would keep running if it had a breakdown like that because it couldn't feel it. They can still feel the fetlock, toe, and sides of the foot.
If I had one that was a good candidate, I would not hesistate to do it. | |
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| FLITASTIC - 2014-08-07 11:31 PM
Update on my Tildren. Its been 15 days since treatment and my horse is now sound! Was grade 2 lame and now feels.great.
You aren't able to ride yet though? 30 days was it? But good to hear, my mare was sound again for 3 days after her last injection, ran her fastest times ever in this certain pen. Monday lame again. I just don't know if I want to spend anymore money this year figuring out the problem or wait to try my vets next recommendation next year. I also appreciate all the new replies. I haven't talked to my vet in 2 weeks but I did not know about nerving specific portions of the feet either. | |
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| old timey barrel rac - 2014-08-10 9:59 AM
I was at a junior rodeo just watching a few weeks ago and saw the most gastly thing ever! A horse was running the barrels and when he came around his turn on the second barrel-you could see something happened to him but the horse just kept going until he crossed the finish line where people were standing to get the horse pulled up. His hoof was just "dangling and flopping" back and forth. Word got out the owners had 'nerved' him, so needless to say, the horse had to be put down. To me, it was just wrong to do this to a horse just in hopes of winning a few bucks. I don't understand people these days and know I will ruffle a lot of feathers in saying this, but when you actually see something like this in person, it shines a whole different light on a lot of things-and makes me feel good within myself knowing if any of my horses are not right, they stay home....
While I appreciate all facts/first hand accounts about nerving, this is all hear say unless you know the owners and they confirmed their horse was nerved, even then any horse can break a bone running barrels whether or not it was due to nerving or just stepped wrong. And I have seen horses be put down to broken bones, it is very sad no matter the situation. | |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-08-11 8:33 AM
old timey barrel rac - 2014-08-10 9:59 AM I was at a junior rodeo just watching a few weeks ago and saw the most gastly thing ever! A horse was running the barrels and when he came around his turn on the second barrel-you could see something happened to him but the horse just kept going until he crossed the finish line where people were standing to get the horse pulled up. His hoof was just "dangling and flopping" back and forth. Word got out the owners had 'nerved' him, so needless to say, the horse had to be put down. To me, it was just wrong to do this to a horse just in hopes of winning a few bucks. I don't understand people these days and know I will ruffle a lot of feathers in saying this, but when you actually see something like this in person, it shines a whole different light on a lot of things-and makes me feel good within myself knowing if any of my horses are not right, they stay home....
They might have nerved the whole foot or had some other sort of do it yourself method, or perhaps the horse was impossible to stop like you sometimes see during a breakdown on the track.
Nowadays if they used current methods to nerve a horse, the horse only loses feeling in a small part of the foot and I would highly doubt a horse would keep running if it had a breakdown like that because it couldn't feel it. They can still feel the fetlock, toe, and sides of the foot.
If I had one that was a good candidate, I would not hesistate to do it.
My question to the vet would be can they feel the pastern, and navicular bone? | |
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Location: Midwest | cheryl makofka - 2014-08-11 12:55 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-11 8:33 AM old timey barrel rac - 2014-08-10 9:59 AM I was at a junior rodeo just watching a few weeks ago and saw the most gastly thing ever! A horse was running the barrels and when he came around his turn on the second barrel-you could see something happened to him but the horse just kept going until he crossed the finish line where people were standing to get the horse pulled up. His hoof was just "dangling and flopping" back and forth. Word got out the owners had 'nerved' him, so needless to say, the horse had to be put down. To me, it was just wrong to do this to a horse just in hopes of winning a few bucks. I don't understand people these days and know I will ruffle a lot of feathers in saying this, but when you actually see something like this in person, it shines a whole different light on a lot of things-and makes me feel good within myself knowing if any of my horses are not right, they stay home.... They might have nerved the whole foot or had some other sort of do it yourself method, or perhaps the horse was impossible to stop like you sometimes see during a breakdown on the track.
Nowadays if they used current methods to nerve a horse, the horse only loses feeling in a small part of the foot and I would highly doubt a horse would keep running if it had a breakdown like that because it couldn't feel it. They can still feel the fetlock, toe, and sides of the foot.
If I had one that was a good candidate, I would not hesistate to do it. My question to the vet would be can they feel the pastern, and navicular bone?
They can feel the pastern, toe, sides of the foot, and fetlock.
If you mean the back of the pastern, not exactly sure but I think they can because I believe the incision point to be really low for this procedure.
Not sure about the navicular bone itself. I don't have a lot of personal experience with this other than through a friend who had her good barrel mare done on both front feet. Horse ran for many years after that and was retire when her hocks went bad, which was unrelated to her front feet issues. | |
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| old timey barrel rac - 2014-08-10 8:59 AM I was at a junior rodeo just watching a few weeks ago and saw the most gastly thing ever! A horse was running the barrels and when he came around his turn on the second barrel-you could see something happened to him but the horse just kept going until he crossed the finish line where people were standing to get the horse pulled up. His hoof was just "dangling and flopping" back and forth. Word got out the owners had 'nerved' him, so needless to say, the horse had to be put down. To me, it was just wrong to do this to a horse just in hopes of winning a few bucks. I don't understand people these days and know I will ruffle a lot of feathers in saying this, but when you actually see something like this in person, it shines a whole different light on a lot of things-and makes me feel good within myself knowing if any of my horses are not right, they stay home....
I have seen a couple horses break bones running, and yes most of them keep going. I feel bad for the owners of the horse. To bad people don't appreciate the wonderful heart the horse had and choose to find something to judge and verbally punish and gossip. Real classy. | |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-08-11 1:29 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-08-11 12:55 PM barrelracr131 - 2014-08-11 8:33 AM old timey barrel rac - 2014-08-10 9:59 AM I was at a junior rodeo just watching a few weeks ago and saw the most gastly thing ever! A horse was running the barrels and when he came around his turn on the second barrel-you could see something happened to him but the horse just kept going until he crossed the finish line where people were standing to get the horse pulled up. His hoof was just "dangling and flopping" back and forth. Word got out the owners had 'nerved' him, so needless to say, the horse had to be put down. To me, it was just wrong to do this to a horse just in hopes of winning a few bucks. I don't understand people these days and know I will ruffle a lot of feathers in saying this, but when you actually see something like this in person, it shines a whole different light on a lot of things-and makes me feel good within myself knowing if any of my horses are not right, they stay home.... They might have nerved the whole foot or had some other sort of do it yourself method, or perhaps the horse was impossible to stop like you sometimes see during a breakdown on the track.
Nowadays if they used current methods to nerve a horse, the horse only loses feeling in a small part of the foot and I would highly doubt a horse would keep running if it had a breakdown like that because it couldn't feel it. They can still feel the fetlock, toe, and sides of the foot.
If I had one that was a good candidate, I would not hesistate to do it. My question to the vet would be can they feel the pastern, and navicular bone?
If you mean the back of the pastern, not exactly sure but I think they can because I believe the incision point to be really low for this procedure.
Not sure about the navicular bone itself. I don't have a lot of personal experience with this other than through a friend who had her good barrel mare done on both front feet. Horse ran for many years after that and was retire when her hocks went bad, which was unrelated to her front feet issues.
You said earlier they clip just below the fetlock, to me just below the fetlock is the pastern bone. So if they clip that I would think that is the main nerve responsible for the pastern, navicular, heel, and everything at the back of the foot.
If this was even on the table for one of my horses, I don't think I could do it in good conscious and keep running them. I would have to become more educated about it, but this would be a discussion I would be having with my vet.
No one has touched on the failure and infection rates of the surgery, these would be questions I would be asking the surgeon. | |
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