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  Whack and Roll
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      Location: NE Texas | I don't know which vet you have an appt with but I would encourage you to make an appt with Dr. Moak. He has been a huge asset to my friends in that area and has also helped me by reading xrays on a filly who had been diagnosed with a fractured navicular bone and was willing to help me through a local friend and we got this filly back in training. He is a great vet and would be a huge asset to you! As i mentioned before, I went to 2 vets prior to getting the sore feet/tmj answer BC I was lazy and didn't travel to the best vet the first time. Sure wish I had! The first did a full lameness exam but never used hoof testers and rhe second performed full chiro and accupuncture, which is what i was there for. You need somebody that doesn't see just black and white, but is willing to consider the grey area and look outside the box. From what you're describing with this vet and his lack of willingness to consider chiropractic, acupuncture, or massage, I'm concerned that he may be a bit too analytical to really evaluate open minded. Please give Dr moak a call.
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  Neat Freak
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     Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Herbie - 2014-08-02 10:10 AM I don't know which vet you have an appt with but I would encourage you to make an appt with Dr. Moak. He has been a huge asset to my friends in that area and has also helped me by reading xrays on a filly who had been diagnosed with a fractured navicular bone and was willing to help me through a local friend and we got this filly back in training. He is a great vet and would be a huge asset to you! As i mentioned before, I went to 2 vets prior to getting the sore feet/tmj answer BC I was lazy and didn't travel to the best vet the first time. Sure wish I had! The first did a full lameness exam but never used hoof testers and rhe second performed full chiro and accupuncture, which is what i was there for. You need somebody that doesn't see just black and white, but is willing to consider the grey area and look outside the box. From what you're describing with this vet and his lack of willingness to consider chiropractic, acupuncture, or massage, I'm concerned that he may be a bit too analytical to really evaluate open minded. Please give Dr moak a call.
Oh no, I appreciate the information and will get in contact if need be. This vet I am going to is considered one of the best if not the best in the area. He does acupuncture I see from looking at his stats and is "ok" with chiro/massage, but believes the chiro/massage needs to come AFTER a diagnosis and not first as something causes the need for the chiro/massage. That seems to be what bugs him about it, people do that and don't see a vet to get to the cause of the issue. I can't get into anyone for awhile that will do chiro/massage so opted for the vet.
He's huge on correct feet and I have a farrier a few hrs away if I can get into him to do what is needed. Bruce actually had a family member make a different set of hoof testers special, I can't remember all the reasons why...but he is an expert at hoof stuff (and I know Audie needs something different). I'll sure mention the TMJ. Bruce starts at the feet and works up. We spent 3 hrs on Ransom and made him lame on and off, nerve blocks didn't seem to specify anything, it was the last resort, a rectal exam that found the pelvis injury. He is thorough and very gentle with them as well. |
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  Whack and Roll
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      Location: NE Texas | Thinking about you today, Wyo, and hoping everything goes great at the vet and you find your culprit, but that it's nothing serious! Good thoughts coming your way!   |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Prayers for a really good update     |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bumping this back up |
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| I have a horse that started bucking like you said . hated to be brushed or poked anywhere. Had a real bad attitude also (kind of grumpy all the time). had him to vet thought it was ulcers so we treated him and also injected his one knee. didn't get better. went to a different vet did some elimination injections on whorl bones and hocks still no better so we went back and did some tests for EPM. Treated him for it and now he rides great. That's going to be my guess its EPM. JMO |
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Rad Dork
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   Location: Oklahoma | Hoping you had a positive experience with the vet today!! |
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                      Location: Here | Hoping you got some answers today |
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              Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Well I'm kinda worried now that we have not heard from Krystal. Hope that she will check in tomorrow  |
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  Whack and Roll
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      Location: NE Texas | Still wondering how the vet appt went yesterday and sending good thoughts for a positive update for you, Krystal!   |
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                      Location: Here | Southtxponygirl - 2014-08-04 11:47 PM Well I'm kinda worried now that we have not heard from Krystal. Hope that she will check in tomorrow 
Me too |
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    Location: between here and there | She might be driving. I know she spent the nite in Cheyenne last nite. That's a pretty good drive for her to get back to Lusk! Anxiously waiting, too!! |
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  Whack and Roll
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      Location: NE Texas | Just wanted to let everyone know I just got a text from Krystal, and wanted everyone to know that she is ok and that no major injuries were found. I'll let her update everyone with the rest, but just wanted to let those who have been concerned know that she is ok. I'm sure she'll update everyone as soon as she is able. |
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  Neat Freak
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     Location: Wonderful Wyoming | After quite a thorough going over, all we found was subluxion of a front joint, similar to a sprain. The x rays all looked clean for the joint itself. He feels with a couple months rest he should be fine. Sounds like this is something they can have happen, stretch those ligaments out, if they were to put their foot through a fence and pull back. He has come into feed every day walking sound (that is what is so odd about his hind end issues), but sometimes does hold that leg odd. Points that toe just a bit. I even had another ranchy vet look at it and she said after he hoof tested fine, not to worry...so I didn't. It does sound like that could throw him out of wack from his back-down. We never did get him to take a lame step doing flex tests etc. The vet even liked his feet, other than they are in need of a trim and to be kept up a little better. We also ultrasounded and did a rectal to check his pelvis/SI. He is higher on his right side and it felt that way inside as well. Nothing made him suspect a pelvis injury though. he even mentioned he could have been born that way, just a tad off. I still feel he needs a chiro and have one coming the end of the month...if not sooner. I also saddled with my grandpa's old rope saddle that was a surprisingly good fit, we walked him a couple steps and asked him to trot on a lunge line and he never acted like he even wanted to buck. Just eased around really nice. Huge change. We also did acupuncture and it took about 24 hours before I noticed much, but he has either stopped the toe dragging completely or nearly so. Fingers crossed. Thanks for all the prayers and kind thoughts. A lot of really great people on here. |
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       Location: USA | Glad it's nothing crazy serious and non-fixable. Still will say some prayers he will continue to improve! |
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   Location: Sperry, OK | wyoming barrel racer - 2014-08-05 11:40 PM After quite a thorough going over, all we found was subluxion of a front joint, similar to a sprain. The x rays all looked clean for the joint itself. He feels with a couple months rest he should be fine. Sounds like this is something they can have happen, stretch those ligaments out, if they were to put their foot through a fence and pull back. He has come into feed every day walking sound (that is what is so odd about his hind end issues), but sometimes does hold that leg odd. Points that toe just a bit. I even had another ranchy vet look at it and she said after he hoof tested fine, not to worry...so I didn't. It does sound like that could throw him out of wack from his back-down. We never did get him to take a lame step doing flex tests etc. The vet even liked his feet, other than they are in need of a trim and to be kept up a little better. We also ultrasounded and did a rectal to check his pelvis/SI. He is higher on his right side and it felt that way inside as well. Nothing made him suspect a pelvis injury though. he even mentioned he could have been born that way, just a tad off. I still feel he needs a chiro and have one coming the end of the month...if not sooner. I also saddled with my grandpa's old rope saddle that was a surprisingly good fit, we walked him a couple steps and asked him to trot on a lunge line and he never acted like he even wanted to buck. Just eased around really nice. Huge change. We also did acupuncture and it took about 24 hours before I noticed much, but he has either stopped the toe dragging completely or nearly so. Fingers crossed. Thanks for all the prayers and kind thoughts. A lot of really great people on here.
Did he xray where he could see the growth plates? I wonder, as big as he is, if maybe the growth plates just have not closed yet causing him some discomfort. If he is lower on one side in the SI region, you might look into having that injected to get the inflammation out.. that could be the whole issue. |
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  Whack and Roll
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      Location: NE Texas | Great news, Krystal! Will be keeping you and him in my thoughts and prayers for a sound horse with no more bucking or humping up!!! Please keep us posted. |
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  Location: Tumbleweed Capital of the World | Which vet looked at him? I live in Cheyenne, is why I ask. I've used Moak (love him!!), and I also use Joe Stricklin in Greeley for lameness. I have a 6 yr old mare that sounds EXACTLY like your colt. Have had hocks, stifles, front fetlock, and whorlbone injected so far. Basically it all boiled down to a bad trim job that branched out and caused a multitude of other problems. I finally have her sound and running good, even though she still does things that concern me and is constantly needing chiro adjustments. I'll just have to accept that she's always going to be a high maintenance horse, whether I like it or not. |
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