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suzy2qtee
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Posted 2014-09-21 9:11 PM
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Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,



I don't know where you are located.   But................  Colorado's economy is booming.  The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need.   And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were. 

Having dealt with a number of these situations.  Both equine and canine.  It rarely is because of the economy.  It becomes a hording situation which is sadly  a mental illness. 

With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation.  What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past?  How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site?  How about neighbors?  Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.

Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.



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karen
While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT. 
suzy,



Depends on what and where.  Good horses are still bringing decent prices.  This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects. 



These horses could have been sold. 



karen 

A select few may still be bringing a decent price.. The fact still stands that over all the economy SUX and over all the horse industry has way more horses being born every year than needed... again what bingo had said supply and demand... I'm talking OVER all not your tiny little corner. 
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Posted 2014-09-21 9:12 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be done 

I have not been able to open the link either Roxy.  I've seen the pictures of Dual Peppy and that's it.  My heart can't take seeing the poor animals.
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Posted 2014-09-21 9:13 PM
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Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,

I don't know where you are located.   But................  Colorado's economy is booming.  The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need.   And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were. 
Having dealt with a number of these situations.  Both equine and canine.  It rarely is because of the economy.  It becomes a hording situation which is sadly  a mental illness. 
With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation.  What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past?  How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site?  How about neighbors?  Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.
Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.

karen

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 exactly.   
Bingo these were top notch horses.  
They could have easily been sold 


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SG.
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-09-21 9:14 PM
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suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:11 PM
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suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM
Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,



I don't know where you are located.   But................  Colorado's economy is booming.  The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need.   And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were. 

Having dealt with a number of these situations.  Both equine and canine.  It rarely is because of the economy.  It becomes a hording situation which is sadly  a mental illness. 

With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation.  What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past?  How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site?  How about neighbors?  Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.

Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.



karen



karen
While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT. 
suzy,



Depends on what and where.  Good horses are still bringing decent prices.  This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects. 



These horses could have been sold. 



karen 
A select few may still be bringing a decent price.. The fact still stands that over all the economy SUX and over all the horse industry has way more horses being born every year than needed... again what bingo had said supply and demand... I'm talking OVER all not your tiny little corner. 

 Good horses are still bringing good money.  Heritage sale this weekend is proof of that.   
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Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2014-09-21 9:16 PM
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bingo - 2014-09-21 4:57 PM I have to disagree w/you Jbhoot. I think the reason more and more of this is happening is BECAUSE these horses CAN'T be sold. The horse market is OVERLY flooded with horses no one wants. The proof is in situations just like this. Maybe these horses that died were sick from an illness that spread through the herd. maybe they weren't starved. Maybe selling them wasn't even an option. Time will tell hopefully, but it does not take much research to understand what is going on with the horse market. Our economy is bad, just keeping horses is expensive. Add to that an over abundance of unwanted animals and their prices go spiraling downward fast. How many people remember the arabian horse pyramid scheme that went on back in the 80's, maybe 70's? Do you remember the absolutely over bloated prices put on Arabians? Where are all these "valuable" animals now? HHHmmm..... no market for them, is there. I am afraid this is what's going on now. The poor horses are the one's to suffer when people can no longer sell them, or afford to keep those they have bred, and can't sell. The answer, stop breeding so many. Make them valuable again. Just like gold, and diamonds. As the commodity goes down, the price goes up. This is an extremely sad situation. It will be interesting to see what becomes of the owner.

No...this isn't back yard breeders.   I don't agree with this at all.
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suzy2qtee
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Posted 2014-09-21 9:18 PM
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SG. - 2014-09-21 9:14 PM
suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:11 PM
Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 8:37 PM
suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM
Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,



I don't know where you are located.   But................  Colorado's economy is booming.  The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need.   And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were. 

Having dealt with a number of these situations.  Both equine and canine.  It rarely is because of the economy.  It becomes a hording situation which is sadly  a mental illness. 

With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation.  What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past?  How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site?  How about neighbors?  Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.

Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.



karen



karen
While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT. 
suzy,



Depends on what and where.  Good horses are still bringing decent prices.  This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects. 



These horses could have been sold. 



karen 
A select few may still be bringing a decent price.. The fact still stands that over all the economy SUX and over all the horse industry has way more horses being born every year than needed... again what bingo had said supply and demand... I'm talking OVER all not your tiny little corner. 
 Good horses are still bringing good money.  Heritage sale this weekend is proof of that.   

Is also proof of supply and demand... Their will be 10% that will bring premium price, 30% little better than average that leaves 60% that will be sold below average. The premium horses will be going out of the country. 
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Posted 2014-09-21 9:19 PM
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Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2014-09-21 9:25 PM
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suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:18 PM
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suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 9:11 PM
Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 8:37 PM
suzy2qtee - 2014-09-21 8:01 PM
Stitch4k9 - 2014-09-21 7:44 PM Bingo,



I don't know where you are located.   But................  Colorado's economy is booming.  The cutting community in CO would have bought these animals had they known there was a dire need.   And while you are researching............ cutting prices are not as high as they once were. 

Having dealt with a number of these situations.  Both equine and canine.  It rarely is because of the economy.  It becomes a hording situation which is sadly  a mental illness. 

With that said there is plenty of blame to pass around on this situation.  What happened to family members who have been involved with these horses in the past?  How about others in the CO cutting community who didn't notice that this woman and her horses dropped from site?  How about neighbors?  Heck evan the local feed store should have wondered what happened.

Until everyone stops pointing fingers of blame and starts to take some responsibility to check on each other we will not solve much of anything.



karen



karen
While the economy may be booming the horse industry has NOT. 
suzy,



Depends on what and where.  Good horses are still bringing decent prices.  This is an area where ranch geldings are in demand and families pay dearly for 4-h and High School Rodeo prospects. 



These horses could have been sold. 



karen 
A select few may still be bringing a decent price.. The fact still stands that over all the economy SUX and over all the horse industry has way more horses being born every year than needed... again what bingo had said supply and demand... I'm talking OVER all not your tiny little corner. 
 Good horses are still bringing good money.  Heritage sale this weekend is proof of that.   
Is also proof of supply and demand... Their will be 10% that will bring premium price, 30% little better than average that leaves 60% that will be sold below average. The premium horses will be going out of the country. 

 still no excuse to throw tarps over the dead bodies and leave other animals in 4' of manure and made to walk over decaying bodies.    Do the responsible thing if you cant take care of your animals. 
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Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2014-09-21 9:32 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-21 6:46 PM

Holy cow people, if this person could not feed these horses, why in the He$$ didnt they just place them in a home/foster care untill he/she could take care of them themselfs why in the He$$ let these poor horses suffer the way they did/ or doing now. I dont understand the way some think.Β 

I agree. They could have done something to help these horses. If I could not sell them, or feed them, I would have put them down!. This was nothing, but animal cruelty.
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Posted 2014-09-21 9:40 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be doneΒ 

I have not been able to open the link either Roxy.Β  I've seen the pictures of Dual Peppy and that's it.Β  My heart can't take seeing the poor animals.

Go over to Face Book ( Justice for Dual Peppy) All the pictures and videos are there. Warning it is not pretty.
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bingo - 2014-09-21 7:03 PM Well "offers", and actual "purchases" are 2 big differences. Tire kickers in the horse business are more common than buyers.
Even if they could not get the price that they wanted for these horses this is no excuse to starve the poor things and let them die no excuse at all. I dont understand your why of thinking, this is NOT right. Just give them away are just take what was offered for them, better then what is happening to them. I think this person is sick, how can someone do this and not think that this is wrong, they have a problem...And these poor horses got the wrong end of the deal here, not their fault that their so called owner is not right...

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Posted 2014-09-21 9:51 PM
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bingo - 2014-09-21 7:03 PM Well "offers", and actual "purchases" are 2 big differences. Tire kickers in the horse business are more common than buyers.
Even if they could not get the price that they wanted for these horses this is no excuse to starve the poor things and let them die no excuse at all. I dont understand your why of thinking, this is NOT right. Just give them away are just take what was offered for them, better then what is happening to them. I think this person is sick, how can someone do this and not think that this is wrong, they have a problem...And these poor horses got the wrong end of the deal here, not their fault that their so called owner is not right...

I agree. and having the doors barricaded just proves how sick this person is
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Posted 2014-09-21 10:02 PM
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Bibliafarm - 2014-09-21 8:03 PM THIS is NOT ok.. give him away then..  sorry I dont buy the STUCK with him..  send out a PLEA for help.. instead but dont starve them.. I do not know the story but this is pure neglect imho
Thank you Bibs.  I don't give a rats behind what the CO economy is, what the horse economy is.  This is plain and simple WRONG.  Any normal human being doesn't starve animals.  I dont care if they had to give these horses away free and clear at least someone would have been feeding them.  I'm amazed at the people standing up for the criminals that did this.  I'll starve before my horses will starve.

there is NO excuse for this treatment. the worse part, this horse knows the differentce.  
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Posted 2014-09-21 10:09 PM
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Bibliafarm - 2014-09-21 8:03 PM THIS is NOT ok.. give him away then..Β  sorryΒ I dont buy the STUCK with him..Β Β send out a PLEA for help.. instead but dont starve them.. I do not know the story but this is pure neglect imho
Thank you Bibs.Β  I don't give a rats behind what the CO economy is, what the horse economy is.Β  This is plain and simple WRONG.Β  Any normal human being doesn't starve animals.Β  I dont care if they had to give these horses away free and clear at least someone would have been feeding them.Β  I'm amazed at the people standing up for the criminals that did this.Β  I'll starve before my horses will starve.

there is NO excuse for this treatment. the worse part, this horse knows the differentce. Β 

exactly!!
no excuse.
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Posted 2014-09-21 10:40 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be done 
I have not been able to open the link either Roxy.  I've seen the pictures of Dual Peppy and that's it.  My heart can't take seeing the poor animals.
Go over to Face Book ( Justice for Dual Peppy) All the pictures and videos are there. Warning it is not pretty.

I finally took a peek at a link someone posted and I clicked off as soon as I saw a body of a horse in a pen that was only hide and bones. And I thought anyone that could do this was a Sicko, SICKO in the MINDO. And some on here dont see the wrong of this, what the He**!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 2014-09-22 7:00 AM
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This is sickening....Don't care what the reason for it is it's still cruel! And what kind of a sicko could walk out there, place a tarp over the dead horses and yet-can't take carry a bucket of feed. This is a person without a soul! Don't care what her circumstances where-there's none that would support this kind of cruelty...JMO
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Posted 2014-09-22 7:10 AM
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everyone, please stop being so judgemental. No one knows the whole story yet. Right now the priority is to help the surviving horses. 
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Posted 2014-09-22 7:16 AM
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jbhoot - 2014-09-21 9:40 PM
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Southtxponygirl - 2014-09-20 10:10 PM I didnt open that link, it hurts my heart to much to see stuff like this, so taking everyone's word that this is really bad, prayers that justice will be done 
I have not been able to open the link either Roxy.  I've seen the pictures of Dual Peppy and that's it.  My heart can't take seeing the poor animals.
Go over to Face Book ( Justice for Dual Peppy) All the pictures and videos are there. Warning it is not pretty.

It has nothing to do with my computer not opening it, its the fact that I can't bring myself to look at the pictures. 
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Posted 2014-09-22 7:19 AM
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Anybody that doesnt think Dual Peppy was a marketable item and thinks the "economy" is reason enough he couldnt be sold doesnt have a clue what they are talking about. That horse is a NCHA World Champion!! FULL brother to Dual Pep. That horse alone would have and could have been sold for FAR more then it would cost to feed all the others very well for years to come!!! 
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Posted 2014-09-22 7:21 AM
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ThreeCorners - 2014-09-22 7:19 AM

Anybody that doesnt think Dual Peppy was a marketable itemΒ and thinks the "economy" is reason enough he couldnt be sold doesnt have a clue what they are talking about. That horse is a NCHA World Champion!! FULL brother to Dual Pep. That horse alone would have and could have been sold for FAR more then it would cost to feed all the others very well for years to come!!!Β 



And not sure how this is being judgmental if you read the article and look at the pictures it is abuse and cruelty
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