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Location: southeast KS | Any good tricks/advice on giving the ReBalance to one that is getting pretty grumpy about the oral treatments? Other than just get tough and deal with it....
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| My test just came back from pathogenes. His sag scores are, 2, 2, 4. she said do nero quell and the wormer thing. Have to get my vet to call, her, out of town till monday.
We will know in a couple of weeks.
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| I have treated 2 horses for EPM. It has been several years ago but when my horses had it i was told the only way to truly determine if they had EPM was a spinal tap. I spent the money on my good mare and had the spinal tap done. The results came back positive and she was treated with Marquis for 30 days and IV Diclazorel for an additional 10. She recovered but my vet felt that enough damage was done from the lesion that she would not be safe to run barrels on again.It was a long healing process. I was told to not put them under high stress as it would cause a relapse. A friend also treated her good rodeo mare and the vet treated hers with marquis and told her to keep her horses immune system strong and to use marquis before any long rodeo weekends to help prevent a relapse. I never showed my mare again so i can support that statement. However, i can say i have tried both approved FDA medicine and alternative medicine. EPM can be career ending and if money isn't a problem you should treat with Marquis because it is proven to work! |
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Sorry, No. And the mare HATED it. But she hates anything put in her mouth, so I don't think the Marque would have been any easier for us. We stayed tough and she finally just stopped fighting it. |
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| Just curios how many vets did u go through before you go a diganosis.
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Location: North MS | I literally brought my horse home today from a VERY thorough testing. He was tested via the UC davis test on Thursday after labor day. The results came in the next Thursday for an 87% positive. He was walking solidly on 4 legs after a bad fall on the first thursday and by that evening he was 3 leg lame. Has been ever since, but I think it mostly has to do with the trauma of his fall and then the EPM balance testing done earlier that day.
Fast forward to this past Saturday he just seemed miserable. I had my local vet out on Tuesday to draw blood for pathogenes and had it sent off. Results came in last Friday. I planned to order the treatment on Saturday except for him being so depressed (we switched from a bute treatment to a previcox treatment for swelling). I was thinking of making the bad call. I gave banamine as I had decided he would at least have a pain free day and called my local vet for advice. In the meantime I sent videos of him walking to the lady at pathogenes and another lameness expert in the state. Well the lameness expert said his x-ray wouldn't work on the shoulder and he HAD to be taken to MSU. So I borrowed a trailer and made an appointment. When I spoke with my local vet he said to just keep him comfortable and keep the appointment at MSU. Well we made it and had a horrible unloading process, but they jumped on him with pain killers and sedation and went to taking x-rays and doing tests every time he stood on his own for a few minutes. We found out nothing was broken, but they wanted to keep him a few days and run more tests. They suspected a completely torn tricep. The next day they ultrasounded and found no torn muscles. The next day they did a neuro workup and found his tricep wasn't receiving any nerve impulses. They started him on Marquis. The vet stated it was the best even though I had already made arrangements to do the Pathogene Origin 10 treatment. Since she felt it would give him the best shot I decided to do it. After 3 days of treatment he is more bright eyed, back nickering, and getting up and down more.
While at MSU he was getting IV DMSO. So after a thorough workup he will be taking the Marquis and she also wants me to start the Rebalance treatment tomorrow too. Covering all our bases. I can't give you results, but I can give you Mississippi State University's vet school recommendation. |
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Location: South Central Florida | daisycake123 - 2014-09-26 7:55 PM Just curios how many vets did u go through before you go a diganosis.
I'm not sure who this question was for, but I'll answer. Two vets for me as well as as 2 different Chiropractor (equine). Mare started with kicking readomly in the trailer a year before...The first vet is major into homeopathy and accupuncture. She is a DVM, but also treats with as much natural as possible. So we did that kidn of treatment. A year later we were still experiencing odd issues, random super mild lameness issues that would disappear. Lost weight, just had strange issues, like kicking wildly at nothing. Second vet discussed the tests, but not big on the testing because here in Florida, something like 80% come up positive on the blood test, have to do a spinal to know for sure. The spinal is very expensive and invasive (so is the treatment but anyway). Next Chiro did a series of balance tests, she failed every one, was so depressed she would hardly look up. She begged me (as did another friend) to treat for EPM. Money is a big issue here, so I chose the ReBalance and the Animal Element Immune treatments. That's what I could afford.
We saw results with in a week. By 6 weeks she was winning again, had gained her weight back and stopped kicking.
My vet does blood tests for anemia every 2 weeks while on ReBalance, but our mare had no problems.
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Sock Snob
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| Hey what would be the difference between the symptons of epm vs lyme disease. Does anyone know a horse that had epm but did not show in blood test, several times. I dont want to a spinal cause, it is invasive, expensive, and not sure it will show up, as i have heard of horses having it but not show up in blood. |
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| The last vet i went too was sure that is what he had, until blood work came back negative. Then he did not know what to tell me made him fail the nero test, he told me basically it could not be epm cause the test it was clear, maybe lyme, maybe something else. Just kinda told me some hocus pocus. The test came in on a friday and had to call him monday, tuesday and finally called me back on wednesday. I know why he just did not have an answer. But what did piss me off, he could have just said i dont understand. I just dont like when a doctor or vet does know and tells you some hocus pucus stuff you know isnt right. The last vet did a bunch of injections then told me my horse had terrible joint disease. But 3 months before that we did lamness exam and xrays, and untrasound of suspensories. Only problem was lower hocks. Even did xrays of front feet. Fixed hocks, and still not sound wont used hiself in rear. |
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| Bump for the mourning crowd. |
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| My horse is 4 days out on orquin meds this mourning he was bucking in the pasture, it was cool, but something i,havent seen him do also,last night he was ready to go out, last week he acted like a 20 year old horse. I guess we will see, he does look better already. Just wanted to know how eveyones horses did after taking oroquin 10. How quick you saw results, how long before seeing progress. |
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Location: OK | I'm about to go through this too I think. My horse has lost weight, moves funny in back and has a funny wavy muscle tone behind his shoulders. It's lumpy there and a little sore. Won't turn the 1st. Goes from acting sick and down to acting like a complete idiot on the pattern. This has been going on for months and is getting slowly worse. Vet Monday. Bumping for more info :)
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| You can send the bloodwork, your self go on pathogenes website get form and send in if she send you treatment has to,go,thru u vet bthey can call her.
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Location: almost heaven | Pathogens. Dr. Ellison. She has the latest and most up to date treatments. By far in my opinion the best there is. She also has the highest success ratio according to her clinical trials. |
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| Just thought I would post here since this thread is still going on. I am/was the original creator of this whole thread a few weeks ago. I used Dr. Ellison with Pathogenes testing in FL. I was recommended to use Orogin, which is a 10 day pill, (PREVIOUSLY known as Oroquin 10 as a paste) so yes they are the same thing, but they no longer use a paste and now call it "Orogin." Tomorrow marks 10 days since finishing the 10th day of treating. I could tell within 2-3 days just different mannerisms and quirks that my mare has/had seemed to change. I DID also start her on an immune booster. I personally chose the Animal Element Immune because I love their products. Some vets call for no riding, some call for same routine depending on the severity of the case. However, I made a run tonight and was 2nd in the 1D just 9 days post treatment, so I believe she is feeling much better! I will continue with the AE Immune to keep her immune system in tip top shape. I have read so many great things on this thread in the last few weeks, so I thought I would finally share some good news with my personal results so far! ???? |
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Location: OK | That's good news! I talked to my vet today. I was firing questions at him at 8 a.m. and he knows I'm crazy... lol
He does do a blood test, but not the same blood test everyone does. He says he trusts it but if I want a spinal tap we can do that too. The meds he has in mind aren't too expensive, but I'll know more tomorrow. I asked him if he could tell by checking him out whether he will come back 100% and he said no, but from my story, he is very sure it's EPM. Hopefully I'll have a good story too! |
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Location: God's country | I started my mare on the Orogin and we are on the 3rd pill of the 10 day pill cycle. I noticed yesterday that she wasn't dragging her toes like she had been before. She was dragging her toes to the point she was squaring her back toes off. So that's definitely an improvement. We also have her on the 10,000 IU Vitamin E from MVP, 2 scoops a day. I'm hopeful this Orogin will get her back on track. |
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Location: Wearing a winter coat...... | smashednred - 2014-09-24 1:41 PM
No one has mentioned using Toltrazuril. Has anyone used it?
I am using this. I am also starting with 4 double doses of Marquis and then doing 40 days of Toltrazuril. We are on day 4 and already I see improvement. I did the UC Davis test and he was a little higher then middle of the road. What are you guys paying for treatment? My vet.....ripped me off. I wouldn't have known but the compound company sent his invoice., 175.00 and he charged me 385! |
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| I am finished with the ten day treatment almost done with the 14 day neouguil. I have noticed he is a liilte more anamated than he used to be and he is not so draggie in the rear. How long does it take to tell he is back to normal or more back to his self. I an scarde that i am imagineing him better. Hlw long before hlrse went back to,normal. I just dont want to,think he is but he may not be. Pleae help. I will have to do blood work next week. He is just a nice hlrse i want him to be better. I just dont want tl have it in my head. How long after treatment did you ride your horse. When he fell going into the trailer and i knew at that time i should not rife if he fell going into a trailer. How long does it take to get their strength back. Help!!!! When should i start riding. I have been longe lineing him on a 60 foot rope and having to chace him all the way. Tell me about your recovering horses and how you got them in shape.he actually looks a lot happier.
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| I am scared tHATHE WILL NEED MORE OF THE OROGUIN TO GET RID OF ALL THE BUGS? HE HAS ONE SIDE WHICH IS WEAKER AND THE ALL THE OTHER? THE RIGHT STIFLE HAS SOME FIBROSIS ON IT AND I KNOW THAT THAT CAN BE WORKED OT OR FIXED? DONT SEE HIM WAK ENOUGH TO TELL IF THAT SIDE IS FETTING BETTER? THIS IS TRULY A 1-D HORSE AND A NICE HORSE ALSO? I AM JUST OVER VETS TELLING ME CRAP AND ME HAVING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS WRONG?!I CAN KNOW PULL HIS TAIL:-)TO THE BAD SIDE AND HE HAS RESISTANCE BUT NOT AS GOOD AS THE LEFT? |
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