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Location: Central Montana | Those who decide not to use a registered name if there is one are free not to do so but in the long run it may come back to bite them in the  .
If you need to prove earnings for a reduced stud fee or sell even if you never intended to, and need to prove what your horse has done......
I applaud Equi-Stat for going out of the way to get accurate information but ultimately, it falls on the owners, and if they can't be bothered then the folks at Equi Stat do not need to be tracking them down when the horse's name hits a "win" list. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | SwishMiss - 2014-09-29 4:32 AM I used to enter everything under their barn name, but recently have been using registered names. Why not? It would help researching when buying a horse. I can not say how many times I've looked up horses and found they happen to be less than advertised. The only thing about the post that makes me a little indifferent is the line pouring money into the industry so "we" can play. It sounds like something is being donated, when the fees/prices are paid by those using them.
Because the people who have stallions and products to market specifically to barrel racers spend literally millions every year in incentive money and sponsorship money to plump up the purses for everyone.
Advertising in magazines who then sponsor races and write stories about the winners so we can all read them.
The more each of us can help the industry as a whole the more $$ are out there for you all to run at.  |
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| Is this what brought us weanlings selling for 10s of thousands? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Itsme - 2014-09-29 6:09 PM Is this what brought us weanlings selling for 10s of thousands?
so are you upset because you can't afford that $40k weanling? Because as a breeder I am sure happy to sell weanlings for more because the industry picked up, but I am not forced to spend $40k. I can spend $5 or $100k. Don't hate those that are making the money. They have a pi$$ load of money invested in breeders/stallion eligibilities, feed and care to get that $40k horse on the ground.
This thread is kind of getting on my bad side. I am astonished how some think. They want to reap the rewards, but are upset at something so simple as giving a registered name. Something that could help them line their pockets down the road. As a former stallion owner, for insurance reasons, I had to do as much google searching as I could for performing foals. Sure would have been nice to find all of them off of registered names. |
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| what are the rewards im reaping? |
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Location: Louisiana | Because "Flamboyant Flit" doesn't fit on a line this _______ big LOL. And I have never seen anything on an entry form about earnings being reported to Equistat, so I don't know if anyone does it around here. I mainly run rodeos and I know they don't care.
Honestly, for me, I don't even keep up with how much my horse has won-I just don't care. If I did, I would break down, cry my eyes out, and never pay another entry fee! I go to so few barrel races that a small amount of money won would probably look worse than "no results found" to a potential buyer. But I'm not selling anyway, so once again, I don't care. Sorry if I'm single-handedly ruining the entire horse industry!
ETA: OK, I checked it out. I know for a fact I used his registered name at a couple big barrel races. According to Equistat the last time he was entered was 2009, so apparently the barrel races I do attend don't get reported anyway. I've owned him since 2010.
And holy crapola the last one (and ONLY one) I entered was 2001 according to the website!
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| Â Wow. This thread is mind boggling. I always use registered names even at po dunk jackpots. Why? Because I want proof of every penny won. We will never sell Vegas. But I want to know all her earnings. It only helps her, her dam and her sire. Why on earth would you not want proof of earnings of, for example, $15,000 as opposed to $150? That is just pure stupidity to not want that proof. No stallion owner will give considerations on $150. But they sure would on $15,000. Not to mention if you ever want to sell embryos. People not using registered named to be "contrary" are simply cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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Location: Nebraska | Our local jackpots don't report, but I keep track of everything on a spreadsheet on my computer. I use barn names on our local jackpots. I also save all the full results that are emailed out. |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | Itsme - 2014-09-29 11:21 PM what are the rewards im reaping?
To put it simply and not muddy the water with to much information for some minds to comprehend,,,,,,,,,,,,, more sponsorship money!! |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | |
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Location: SE KS | I would love for the jackpots I go to locally to send the results to Equi-Stat! I own the mare my horse I'm running is out of. It would be great to be able to show "someone" that A. my mare is a money producer & B. My horse is a money earner!!!
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Location: Four Corners Colorado | So everyone is like "my jackpot dosen't report" Who has talked to their producers about sending in results? |
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | For those that say they rodeo so it's not tracked - the Montana Circuit does track earnings on rodeo money earned and I believe some other circuits are beginning to do it also. |
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Location: lone star state | I do this for a hobby and fun. I paid what the breeder ask for the horse when I purchased him so I owe them no favors or disfavors if my horse makes a terrible run. I usually use the barn name cause that's the name I identify my horses with. I agree with big futurities and races using registered names but weekly or weekend jackpots I may put nothing in the blank for name. I don't think people really care what I'm riding. I don't get caught up at a local level worrying about what other people are riding....my husband ropes as well and if we see a horse that we really like go make conversation and see if horse is for sale. That seems to work for me purchasing horses not researching names that may or may not be accurate. |
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Location: Desert Land | I am really surprised by the people who are so weird about writing a registered name on an entry form. How hard is it? What are you trying to hide? You don't like your horse's registered name? Who cares! I've seen some stupid registered names, but I don't care if the horse's name One Eyed Trouser Snake - if it's winning I want to know how it's bred! Just because you're old, grumpy and they didn't do it back in the day isn't really a good answer either. They didn't have cell phones back then either, but you sure have one now.
Breeders put a lot of blood, sweat, tears and certainly MONEY into putting babies on the ground to promote their program. When someone enters a product of the breeder's program in a race or rodeo or whatever and just puts "Skippy" it is offensive because how the hell are they supposed to prove Good Ole Skippy is actually by their stallion or out of their mare? Most people in the breeding business are not making Big Bucks, so their reward is when a horse from their program goes on to win. You are "Paid" so to speak but getting the pride of knowing you raised that horse to be a winner and now it has hone on to prove that. People also like to be proud and say they own a full brother or 3/4 brother or whatever to such and such horse.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Reading through this thread brings to light that many people who are either too lazy or don’t care, now, about registered names, earnings, sires & dams, etc, will probably be the first ones to POST….Does anybody know this horse, breeding, offspring, etc. when trying to buy or breed….. |
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| dhdqhllc - 2014-09-27 11:20 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2014-09-27 11:05 AM ghost rider - 2014-09-27 10:39 AM Wow...never cared much about Equi-Stat as I almost never sell anything - I just always used the registered name because I'm pretty proud of my horses  . I also like looking at registered names at the big races to see if I can tell if any are bred like mine...I like to watch them run and "compare notes" so to speak lol. 
ETA: OK, I know I am extremely naive...but just a question. Why would anyone NOT want to use their horse's registered name...I mean reasons other than the dishonest ones listed in previous posts? Not meaning to start anything or accuse anyone...my li'l ol' blond brain just hasn't been able to figure it out. 
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2. Â Because you don't remember what it is
3. Â Because you LOVE their barn name
4. Â Because you're contrary
I agree, we only use at NBHA State and Regional shows and If I run a Futurity horse. Also if you are really a crook the easiest thing in the world is to use the wrong name on purpose. Not many announcers, secretary etc. will ever figure out which horse it really is...
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Neat Freak
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | NJJ - 2014-09-30 9:03 AM Reading through this thread brings to light that many people who are either too lazy or don’t care, now, about registered names, earnings, sires & dams, etc, will probably be the first ones to POST….Does anybody know this horse, breeding, offspring, etc. when trying to buy or breed…..
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | SKM - 2014-09-30 6:00 AM
 Wow. This thread is mind boggling. I always use registered names even at po dunk jackpots. Why? Because I want proof of every penny won. We will never sell Vegas. But I want to know all her earnings. It only helps her, her dam and her sire. Why on earth would you not want proof of earnings of, for example, $15,000 as opposed to $150? That is just pure stupidity to not want that proof. No stallion owner will give considerations on $150. But they sure would on $15,000. Not to mention if you ever want to sell embryos. People not using registered named to be "contrary" are simply cutting off their nose to spite their face.
AGREED!! Although I did notice at the last jackpot I went to.. I did fill out Lucy's name as her registered name on her form, and the jackpot secretary just wrote down her barn name in the draw. It will be interesting to see if her reg name or barn name shows up in the results.
I always want to do the best job I can do for my horses… I have mares and I too want discounted breedings, validation of their performance, and evidence that she is worth consideration of stallion owners. Even for nothing else, I just want to know how well she has done. I am proud of my horses and gelding or mare would want to know their stats. |
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Extreme Veteran
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Location: lone star state | Basically there is no way to know for sure if the stats are accurate when purchasing a horse. I would never rely on that as a buying tool.
Maybe if there were more accurate ways of ensuring the info reported is accurate then I would care. Big futurities check papers at check in and horse is #. But weekend jackpots and shows where horse is not verified by identity is only as accurate as the person reporting wants it to be. The horse industry is like the used car industry. you have to shop and test drive because far too many sellers are dishonest.
Until equistat becomes reliable and credible I will continue to use barn names or no name at all. |
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