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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | NJJ - 2014-10-01 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 9:32 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
Do you think he would have "admitted" THAT mistake IF HE HADN'T BEEN CAUGHT ! ! ! !
I am saying- if he made an error in judgement thinking he needed a run and wouldnt get caught muchless win---- that is a mistake. It is cheating. But by golly, I would defend you the same and I dont even know you but I would like to hope that there was more to the story vs saying lets ban you forever. Thats all. No medal to pin on his chest.  | |
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| LRQHS - 2014-10-01 8:48 AM Just out of curiosity, how many horses did he actually run? I'm not sure how one would not know that they had already ran a particular horse.
Everone knows the top riders and horses, who has run, etc. Eyes everywhere and lots of people keeping track. Probably the same at the track, hard to hide what goes on.
Just to clarify, that was not my post from FB, I just copied and pasted. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details.
I don't think he should be hung from the nearest tree by a lynch mob, however, let's call a spade a spade and stop trying to excuse or justify it. Dude needs to man up and own it, then move on and do better. People trying to smooth it over are making the situation worse because it deepens the mistrust. | |
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Location: The edge of no where | TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
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| TurnLane - 2014-10-01 10:52 AM NJJ - 2014-10-01 9:47 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 9:32 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 8:31 AM CYA Ranch - 2014-10-01 8:21 AM IMO He and the owner both knew what was going on. They weren't happy with his futurity run time so wanted a re-do. He's got an American qualifier and I hope that's taken away from him. I would not want to see him punished for the American- he earned that spot on a great horse. He made a mistake, even if that mistake was to try and cheat. But he is an icon in our industry and I still respect all he has accpomplished.
Do you think he would have "admitted" THAT mistake IF HE HADN'T BEEN CAUGHT ! ! ! !
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | Let's stop and think about this
First, much to my dismay Troy has a well documented history of entering open races-even at futurities--with barn names. So no change in pattern here.
Second, EVERYONE KNOWS who he is and when you run an 8 the day before LOTS of people have good idea of who the horse is. So, entering with the plan to win the race isn't exactly low key. In fact, he's putting it out there for all to see. He knows people watch him, so he damn sure wasn't trying to hide anything. I think its funny that everyone is assuming that he thought that everyone who knew who the horse was wouldn't say anything.
Third, the horse still had the number on his butt. If he was trying to cheat and be all devisious, wouldn't someone who has been in the industry as long as he has thought to remove the number? It's not like he doesn't know its still there. Anyone who has futuritied knows what a pain in the butt it is to remove those things.
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| Wow this forum is the judge, jury, and executioner all in one nobody knows the story nobody here was there nobody has heard his side of the story it's like the micheal brown case in fergusson the media labeled the cop guilty then the facts started coming Troy is just a jockey when your in his shoes riding multiple horses and you have several different owners signing you up in different races mistakes happen he didn't run the horse twice on Sunday the other entry was a roll over from Saturday I guess everyone is tired of Troy winning everything I hope it was an honest mistake but who am I to judge we all know Troy doesn't have to cheat to win | |
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Location: Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
Question (because I have c/o'ed a time before): I understand that you can carry over your time from different classes to "save the horse" from running again, but is it an option to run the horse twice? As in not bother with the carry over function and just enter twice? I know that he's in hot water because the horse was signed up to carry over, but would it have been legal to to run again had it not been signed up? | |
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Location: The edge of no where | Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
Yes - the carryover option was from Round 2 of the futurity on Sat. Lots of futurity horses did NOT carry over because you had to physically make a run on Sunday to be eligible for future fortunes $$$$. | |
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| I can see how mistakes happen, as futurity entries are usually requested months in advance, it would be easy for someone to forget especially if there was uncertainty.
It also depends if there was a program, and if the program showed the carried over horses, if so there was no possibility for this to be an innocent mistake, he could have looked up the registered horse in the program and seen if the horse was carried over.
There also is another way to look at it which only the rider could comment on, people say he wasn't happy with his first run, the client is paying for the entries anyway, so he decided to pay the entry fee take his chances on getting caught and re run the horse.
He got caught they took the money away from him, since he is a "famous" person, chances are nothing else will happen, as it will be hard to prove. The client yes doesn't get the money, but that time was recorded and videoed so there is proof the horse should have won the race, doubt they are too upset. | |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | mikesfleet - 2014-10-01 10:10 AM Wow this forum is the judge, jury, and executioner all in one nobody knows the story nobody here was there nobody has heard his side of the story it's like the micheal brown case in fergusson the media labeled the cop guilty then the facts started coming Troy is just a jockey when your in his shoes riding multiple horses and you have several different owners signing you up in different races mistakes happen he didn't run the horse twice on Sunday the other entry was a roll over from Saturday I guess everyone is tired of Troy winning everything I hope it was an honest mistake but who am I to judge we all know Troy doesn't have to cheat to win
I'd like to hear his side of the story. I think using the barn name is suspicious. Why use two different names on this horse? Obviously, the horse and rider are a great pair. Perhaps, this is something that is as easy as don't use barn names to enter your horses. Maybe, they should supply a copy of the registration papers to enter. I'm sure if it was an honest mistake, he won't make that one again. I think I would start crying if I lost that much money. | |
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Location: Oklahoma | cheryl makofka - 2014-10-01 10:18 AM
I can see how mistakes happen, as futurity entries are usually requested months in advance, it would be easy for someone to forget especially if there was uncertainty.
It also depends if there was a program, and if the program showed the carried over horses, if so there was no possibility for this to be an innocent mistake, he could have looked up the registered horse in the program and seen if the horse was carried over.
There also is another way to look at it which only the rider could comment on, people say he wasn't happy with his first run, the client is paying for the entries anyway, so he decided to pay the entry fee take his chances on getting caught and re run the horse.
He got caught they took the money away from him, since he is a "famous" person, chances are nothing else will happen, as it will be hard to prove. The client yes doesn't get the money, but that time was recorded and videoed so there is proof the horse should have won the race, doubt they are too upset.
There was no catalog. I'd be inclined to think that since other futurity horses were physically making the run on Sunday for Future Fortunes, that he thought he could physically run the horse again and didn't know the owner had paid to carry his time over. I can see why he used a barn name....heck, I can't even remember the registered name of some of my new horses w/o seeing the papers, and I can't imagine having a whole new set every few months to run. Plus, if he was in the futurity, the papers were in the office and not where he could look at them. And as Cheryl said, futurity entries are made months in advance, it could be that he forgot this horse carried over, as he had to physically run the LC Packin Heat horse in the futurity AND the open, as he was Future Fortunes. This one was NOT Future Fortunes, so his time was carried over. It's very confusing, and I can see how he could have been confused with as many horses as he was jockeying. I am reminded of the scripture where it says that you can see the speck in your brother's eyes, but not the log in your own when I am reading this thread. I say shame on everyone for thinking the worst. This is just like the crucifixion of Taylor Jacobs when no one really knew the facts. It's easy to sit on the couch and judge....much harder to be in the real world and find out the FACTS. jmo | |
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| fatchance - 2014-10-01 9:52 AM IMHO it's way past time for Lip Tattoo's. Even grade horses would need them to compete.
It was just a few months ago that a TB mare ran in a QH race on the track. They were supposed to verify papers and lip tattoos. "Mistakes" will still happen whenever we are dealing with people and money. | |
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Location: Depends where the next barrel race is..... | Why is everyone so quick to judge? I can totally see how it happened. Honestly, I think even if he entered with registered name, it wouldn't have been caught. As far as the payoff, those things happen. In the rodeo world, if the rodeo secretary makes a mistake, we have to pay it back. I look at it this way, it wasn't mine to begin with...... disappointed, yes. I don't know Troy, but I would bet he never intended for this headache to happen. How about giving the benefit of the doubt? For now, we can all learn from this. Double check forms (we had an owner not carry over and we thought she had and the horse would have won the open along with the Futurity). We always have confusion in the office with carryovers. Some run and think they had carried over or meant to. Some didn't want to carry over and thought they hadn't. It happens every race. | |
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Location: rabbit run | dianeguinn - 2014-10-01 10:33 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-10-01 10:18 AM I can see how mistakes happen, as futurity entries are usually requested months in advance, it would be easy for someone to forget especially if there was uncertainty. It also depends if there was a program, and if the program showed the carried over horses, if so there was no possibility for this to be an innocent mistake, he could have looked up the registered horse in the program and seen if the horse was carried over. There also is another way to look at it which only the rider could comment on, people say he wasn't happy with his first run, the client is paying for the entries anyway, so he decided to pay the entry fee take his chances on getting caught and re run the horse. He got caught they took the money away from him, since he is a "famous" person, chances are nothing else will happen, as it will be hard to prove. The client yes doesn't get the money, but that time was recorded and videoed so there is proof the horse should have won the race, doubt they are too upset. There was no catalog. I'd be inclined to think that since other futurity horses were physically making the run on Sunday for Future Fortunes, that he thought he could physically run the horse again and didn't know the owner had paid to carry his time over. I can see why he used a barn name....heck, I can't even remember the registered name of some of my new horses w/o seeing the papers, and I can't imagine having a whole new set every few months to run. Plus, if he was in the futurity, the papers were in the office and not where he could look at them. And as Cheryl said, futurity entries are made months in advance, it could be that he forgot this horse carried over, as he had to physically run the LC Packin Heat horse in the futurity AND the open, as he was Future Fortunes. This one was NOT Future Fortunes, so his time was carried over. It's very confusing, and I can see how he could have been confused with as many horses as he was jockeying. I am reminded of the scripture where it says that you can see the speck in your brother's eyes, but not the log in your own when I am reading this thread. I say shame on everyone for thinking the worst. This is just like the crucifixion of Taylor Jacobs when no one really knew the facts. It's easy to sit on the couch and judge....much harder to be in the real world and find out the FACTS. jmo
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Location: Oklahoma | MS2011 - 2014-10-01 10:17 AM Longneck - 2014-10-01 10:11 AM MS2011 - 2014-10-01 9:56 AM TurnLane - 2014-10-01 9:39 AM I just hate to see the lynch mob mentality- its not like he drugged his horse nor got caught with an illegal timer laser device. It truly could have been the utmost of errors. He has been around far too long to make this big of a mistake, IMO.
He does ride TONS of horses. Maybe like most men, he isnt great with all the registered names of his futurity horses that change every year? Or maybe, just maybe, his customer strong armed him?? I have NO idea. Just playing devils advocate. Maybe he wasnt aware that the owner paid the carry over for the futurity??
I dislike a cheater more than anyone- I just hope someone would give an icon in our sport the benefit of the doubt until we know the details. ^Exactly.
Let's not lynch him without knowing both sides of the story. I do think that often owners do all the paperwork on entering futurity horses. His reputation has taken a serious blow over the last few days and they did have to give up a big fat check.... Can we let it go with that? Perhaps JL will invite him NOT to come back for a couple of years, but they're the only producer that should (if they feel it's justified) penalize him for what happened at their race.
Does anyone else think it's odd that if he was really trying to cheat the system that they didn't at least get the painted on futurity number off the horse? Either it's really really dumb, or there's more to it....idk
Personally - I dislike the carryover rule. I would prefer that if you hit a barrel in the first class, you have the option to run again. As far as horse sports, there is far less cheating that occurs in barrel racing than anything else. Let's not get too carried away screaming for more rules and regulations....be careful what you wish for.
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