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turnum
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Posted 2014-10-13 6:36 AM
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I talked to Kyle Dutton yesterday and he said Tuff is already going to the American because he is in the top ten so he won't be in a qualifier spot. So that moved Kyle up from 11th to 10th so he made it as a  American qualifier.
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carlos
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sodapop - 2014-10-11 9:18 PM
NJJ - 2014-10-11 9:12 PM
sodapop - 2014-10-11 9:06 PM
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NJJ - 2014-10-11 3:40 PM
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Nevertooold - 2014-10-11 1:15 PM Here's another scenario...Andrea Cline was the BBR Champion and became qualified to the American but could only run for the $100,000. thru that qualification so she went and qualified through a qualifier so she could run for the million. Lots of funky rules..LOL 
I didn't think the BBR Champion got in as an exemption if that is what you mean.  It's only NFR top 10 and any invited exemption then the the tops from the qualifiers who go through the American qualifier finals...... correct? 



Did a BBR Champion get an exemption last year?


 
Yes, last year it was the Top 10 (NFR), the BBR Champion, an "exemption" (which will be Charmayne James again this year) and the Top 10 qualifiers.  
 Who was the BBR champion? Was it Mark?
 BBR Champion:  Andrea Cline. BBR is Better Barrel  Races
 Yes I know what the BBR means. I just don't keep up with who wins it what year and when. I still think of the BBR Finals being in January each year, but I know it was moved to spring several years ago.. I thought it was in April now which would have been held after The American in March. So the BBR champion exemption would have been the BBR champion from the previous year. Unless the BBR Finals are held before The American or it is decided in another way.
2014 BBR Champion was Jackie Ganter wasn't it?  
 If so, that would make her the BBR World Champion exemption, but she is also trying to make it through the qualifiers. She has qualified for the semi-finals already. If she makes it through the qualifiers, then they would have to move on down the list for their BBR exemption. At this rate, no one will want to be an exemption. LOL

 I may be able to clear up some confusion.  I was the 2013 BBR Champion and as such yes I did recieve an exemption.  As that exemption I was only eligible for the $100,000 just like the NFR qualifiers.  I won the BBR that year on Streak Sense and since everyone else was able to qualify 2 horses I decided to run Moses at a qualifier.  So I did and qualified. It wasn't until afterwards that I found out because I ran in a qualifier I lost that exemption status.  It was almost a punishment to be the BBR qualifier.  Jackie Ganter is the 2014 BBR Champion so she automatically gets an exemption.  This year however they did change the rule so she can enter a qualifier and get qualified WITHOUT a penalty like I did.  I guess my year was the guinea pig year... LOL.  And NO they do not move down the list.... so if Jackie for whatever reason lost her BBR exemption status... I am the Reserve Champ for 2014 and they would NOT move down the list.  
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Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2014-10-13 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: RFDTV The American Question


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carlos - 2014-10-13 6:50 AM
sodapop - 2014-10-11 9:18 PM
NJJ - 2014-10-11 9:12 PM
sodapop - 2014-10-11 9:06 PM
rodeomom3 - 2014-10-11 8:56 PM
sodapop - 2014-10-11 8:52 PM
NJJ - 2014-10-11 3:40 PM
sodapop - 2014-10-11 1:25 PM
Nevertooold - 2014-10-11 1:15 PM Here's another scenario...Andrea Cline was the BBR Champion and became qualified to the American but could only run for the $100,000. thru that qualification so she went and qualified through a qualifier so she could run for the million. Lots of funky rules..LOL 
I didn't think the BBR Champion got in as an exemption if that is what you mean.  It's only NFR top 10 and any invited exemption then the the tops from the qualifiers who go through the American qualifier finals...... correct? 



Did a BBR Champion get an exemption last year?


 
Yes, last year it was the Top 10 (NFR), the BBR Champion, an "exemption" (which will be Charmayne James again this year) and the Top 10 qualifiers.  
 Who was the BBR champion? Was it Mark?
 BBR Champion:  Andrea Cline. BBR is Better Barrel  Races
 Yes I know what the BBR means. I just don't keep up with who wins it what year and when. I still think of the BBR Finals being in January each year, but I know it was moved to spring several years ago.. I thought it was in April now which would have been held after The American in March. So the BBR champion exemption would have been the BBR champion from the previous year. Unless the BBR Finals are held before The American or it is decided in another way.
2014 BBR Champion was Jackie Ganter wasn't it?  
 If so, that would make her the BBR World Champion exemption, but she is also trying to make it through the qualifiers. She has qualified for the semi-finals already. If she makes it through the qualifiers, then they would have to move on down the list for their BBR exemption. At this rate, no one will want to be an exemption. LOL
 I may be able to clear up some confusion.  I was the 2013 BBR Champion and as such yes I did recieve an exemption.  As that exemption I was only eligible for the $100,000 just like the NFR qualifiers.  I won the BBR that year on Streak Sense and since everyone else was able to qualify 2 horses I decided to run Moses at a qualifier.  So I did and qualified. It wasn't until afterwards that I found out because I ran in a qualifier I lost that exemption status.  It was almost a punishment to be the BBR qualifier.  Jackie Ganter is the 2014 BBR Champion so she automatically gets an exemption.  This year however they did change the rule so she can enter a qualifier and get qualified WITHOUT a penalty like I did.  I guess my year was the guinea pig year... LOL.  And NO they do not move down the list.... so if Jackie for whatever reason lost her BBR exemption status... I am the Reserve Champ for 2014 and they would NOT move down the list.  

Thanks carlos!  This is some confusing stuff.  Since the rules will be changing each year it will continue to be confusing I think. LOL 
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Reg. Nov 2003
Posted 2014-10-13 8:47 PM
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Posted 2014-10-14 7:41 AM
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Posted 2014-10-14 8:23 AM
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It might take a little while to get all the kinks worked out and get the rules out there enough that we all understand them.  This is the best thing to happen to rodeo.  I LOVE it.
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Posted 2014-10-14 9:02 AM
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MS2011 - 2014-10-14 8:23 AM It might take a little while to get all the kinks worked out and get the rules out there enough that we all understand them.  This is the best thing to happen to rodeo.  I LOVE it.

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Reg. Apr 2009
Posted 2014-10-14 11:42 AM
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Entirely too many rules. I can't believe the semi's are being held in the tiny little coliseum in the Ft. Worth Stockyards. I hope I am confused about that location.
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dashnlotti
Reg. Aug 2009
Posted 2014-10-14 4:27 PM
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Guys, all of the rules are on the website and have been since this thing was first announced last year.  I don't get the confusion...
I love this concept and will be in Ft. Worth to watch the semifinals!  We went to Mesquite last year, I'm excited to go to Ft. Worth this year-much more to do!

 
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2014-10-14 4:48 PM
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dashnlotti - 2014-10-14 4:27 PM Guys, all of the rules are on the website and have been since this thing was first announced last year.  I don't get the confusion...

I love this concept and will be in Ft. Worth to watch the semifinals!  We went to Mesquite last year, I'm excited to go to Ft. Worth this year-much more to do!


 

I like Northside... We're planning to go watch this year.  I really want to go watch the barrel slack as well.  Last year I saw lots of whining that Mesquite wasn't very full of spectators, I bet there's not an empty seat at Northside.  (really I'm just excited that its' an easy drive from my casa!)

I'm planning to start running there on wknds and I'm betting it will get tons of entries and be super tough till spring. 

 
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sodapop
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2014-10-14 10:30 PM
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dashnlotti - 2014-10-14 4:27 PM Guys, all of the rules are on the website and have been since this thing was first announced last year.  I don't get the confusion...

I love this concept and will be in Ft. Worth to watch the semifinals!  We went to Mesquite last year, I'm excited to go to Ft. Worth this year-much more to do!


 

My confusion is probably because I didn't read the rules this year. I tried to disect them last year, but didn't think there would be many changes from last year.  I don't remember anything in the rules from last year regarding whether a top 10 NFR competitor could also make it through the qualifier route as well. Doesn't mean it wasn't in the rules last year, but just means I don't remember it. I'm still bummed the top 10 NFR bull riders (or any of them at all since the other NFR events do) don't get the exemptions for the 100K.  I know it is because of the PBR connection, but they aren't taking the top 10 from the BBR Finals because they are taking the top 10 from the NFR barrel racing.  So why the PBR?  The saddle bronc and bareback qualifiers are sanctioned by that Roughstock association, but the top 10 from the NFR still get the exemption, correct?  So why not the same for the bull riding?  Is there anything in the rules about that? LOL  j/k

Last year we spent a lot of time on here figuring the payout situation.  It made for lots of fun and confusion conversation. LOL 

 
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Posted 2014-10-14 10:49 PM
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dashnlotti - 2014-10-14 4:27 PM Guys, all of the rules are on the website and have been since this thing was first announced last year.  I don't get the confusion...

I love this concept and will be in Ft. Worth to watch the semifinals!  We went to Mesquite last year, I'm excited to go to Ft. Worth this year-much more to do!


 
My confusion is probably because I didn't read the rules this year. I tried to disect them last year, but didn't think there would be many changes from last year.  I don't remember anything in the rules from last year regarding whether a top 10 NFR competitor could also make it through the qualifier route as well. Doesn't mean it wasn't in the rules last year, but just means I don't remember it. I'm still bummed the top 10 NFR bull riders (or any of them at all since the other NFR events do) don't get the exemptions for the 100K.  I know it is because of the PBR connection, but they aren't taking the top 10 from the BBR Finals because they are taking the top 10 from the NFR barrel racing.  So why the PBR?  The saddle bronc and bareback qualifiers are sanctioned by that Roughstock association, but the top 10 from the NFR still get the exemption, correct?  So why not the same for the bull riding?  Is there anything in the rules about that? LOL  j/k



Last year we spent a lot of time on here figuring the payout situation.  It made for lots of fun and confusion conversation. LOL 


 

If I remember correctly, the guy behind the concept of The American, Randy Bernard, is also the former CEO of the PBR, so that may explain that.
Unless it changed since last year, here is the rule regarding top 10 post NFR...
They can take the exemption, and go straight to Cowboy Stadium to compete for $100,000.
OR, they can qualify and go to the semifinals.  If they lose out at the semifinals, thats's it, they're done.  If they go through the semis and make it to Cowboy Stadium, they are competing for $1,000,000.
That said, many guys qualified last year for the semis before the NFR in case they didn't end up top 10, remember 15 go to the NFR, so an NFR qualification isn't a guaranteed spot in Arlington. 
I THINK they can take the exemption after the NFR is over, and they take the next person from that particular qualifier to the semis.
That's how I remember reading it from a year ago!

Does anyone know the exact dates of the semifinals?  I asked a couple weeks ago but never made it back to see if it was answered.

 
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dashnlotti - 2014-10-14 10:49

Does anyone know the exact dates of the semifinals?  I asked a couple weeks ago but never made it back to see if it was answered.

 

 I think this is huge mistake.....If they ever want to make this rodeo a "destination" point for spectators, they will have to quit having it on two separate week-ends with nothing in between.....

THE AMERICAN SEMI-FINALS will be at the Cowtown Coliseum in the Fort Worth Stockyards on February 20-22, 2015. THE AMERICAN  is on March 1, 2015 at the AT&T Arena.


 
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Posted 2014-10-15 8:54 AM
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Does anyone know the exact dates of the semifinals?Β  I asked a couple weeks ago but never made it back to see if it was answered.

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Β I think this isΒ huge mistake.....If they ever want to make this rodeo a "destination" point for spectators, they will have to quit having it on two separate week-ends with nothing in between.....

THE AMERICAN SEMI-FINALS will be at theΒ Cowtown Coliseum in the Fort Worth Stockyards on February 20-22, 2015. THE AMERICANΒ  is on March 1, 2015 at the AT&T Arena.


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The PATRIOT will be in between the semis and the AMERICAN this year!
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Posted 2014-10-15 9:03 AM
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CYA Ranch - 2014-10-15 10:05 AM I'm too lazy to Google.  What is the Patriot.

I know, but I'm not telling you :
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CYA Ranch - 2014-10-15 10:05 AM I'm too lazy to Google.  What is the Patriot.
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oH, OK, I'll tell you. It's a very good movie starring Mel Gibson and the late Heath Ledger. You should watch it. 
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CYA Ranch - 2014-10-15 10:05 AM I'm too lazy to Google.  What is the Patriot.
I know, but I'm not telling you :
oH, OK, I'll tell you. It's a very good movie starring Mel Gibson and the late Heath Ledger. You should watch it. 

But when the British burned the church with the whole town locked inside, I was ready to invade Britain, LOL!!! 
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