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| Both products are just marked up rice bran. Although this is not necessarily a bad addition to the horse's feed, it is definitely not the economical way to feed it. Most feed mills sell rice bran for $6-$10 per 50lb. The added flax seed in both products, although better, is no where near where it needs to be. You can see this by comparing the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acids. You want more omega 3s. If you are going to spend this much, buy milled flax seed and feed half as much. You will see 2x the benefit and your horse will be better off for it. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Horsebill - 2017-02-23 2:59 PM
Both products are just marked up rice bran. Although this is not necessarily a bad addition to the horse's feed, it is definitely not the economical way to feed it. Most feed mills sell rice bran for $6-$10 per 50lb. The added flax seed in both products, although better, is no where near where it needs to be. You can see this by comparing the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acids. You want more omega 3s. If you are going to spend this much, buy milled flax seed and feed half as much. You will see 2x the benefit and your horse will be better off for it.
I am not too sure where to start here, so I will start at the top.
Rice Bran first. Assuming raw rice bran purchased from the mill for "$6 to $10 dollars for 50lb" is the same as Food grade Stabilized Rice Bran used in premium animal food products is like comparing high quality hay to the manure created after that same hay has been through the horse. Raw rice bran is ALWAYS a rancid waste product that should not be fed to horses. There is no exception to this. I invented the application of stabilizing rice bran for use in horses in the 1980's because there was no way to get raw rice bran from the mill to the horse without it becoming both rancid and nutritionally ruined before you could do so. I could have saved myself a fortune if I could have made raw rice bran safely work. It doesn't.
Saying omega 3 should always be higher than omega 6 in every component of the diet is missing the point that the entire diet is to be considered, not one component. Added stabilized flax is in Renew Gold in the ratio included for a number of reasons. Only one of those reasons, while still important, concerns the specific ratio to provide the proper overall omega 6 to omega 3 level in the entire recommended diet. High grain based diets my well benefit from higher omega 3 inclusions than Renew Gold provides. However a Renew Gold diet replaces that high grain inclusion along with the massive omega 6 contribution that the grain provides thus requiring much less added omega 3 to hit the proper OVERALL balance when the contribution of the omega 3 that is found in the roughage portion of the diet is considered.
Milled Flax seed if not stabilized will also be rancid quickly, though stabilized flax can be a benefit when used properly. If you insist in feeding straight flax seed meal, mill your own daily. Feeding this alone misses a lot of additional values found in both the coconut (anti bacterial effect and inflammation reduction high in the digestive system), and food grade stabilized rice bran (several of the most potent types of vitamin E found in nature and gamma oryzanol among others) when provided along with the three types of vegetable fat. In addition to this you get a proprietary pre biotic.
This is not the same a raw rice bran or milled flax seed, and certainly not half as effective.
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Location: Willows, CA | gunner07 - 2017-02-23 10:38 AM
Win is there a reason the price is all over the place with Renew Gold? Ive seen 1-2 dollar differences on other feeds but $10 is a lot, I understand this isn't your doing Im just wondering if you have any insight?
There are a number of regional distribution systems that buy in very small amounts. One or two pallets at a time. like anything else, the more you buy the more you save. Freight is the biggest cost issue in these cases. When a distribution system only buys a few pallets at a time, they pay top price (LTL) for freight. This is added to the wholesale price that they charge the store. If the store then only buys a few bags at a time, they pay the highest price plus higher freight again per bag. They then add that to the retail price. It does not take long for all these top price and high freight combinations to raise the retail price a lot. While it is illegal for us to tell a store what to charge, we do encourage them to order from a distributor that offers volume discount pricing and better freight allowance, and to buy enough at a time to take advantage of those discounts. When you pay $10 more for a bag of Renew Gold from one store compared to another, I do not make a penny more. I have always said that the best way to have the best pricing for the customer is to have another store selling it down the street. They both find a balance at that point, and the end customer will benefit. |
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Location: Northwest | gunner07 - 2017-02-21 4:04 PM
TBone - 2014-10-17 10:31 AM
Love my Renew Gold... even at $33/bag!
I got charged $38 a bag from my feed store 
I'm getting it for $28! That's a big difference :( |
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| Mainer-racer - 2017-02-23 11:21 AM
Griz - 2017-02-23 12:11 PM gunner07 - 2017-02-23 10:38 AM Win is there a reason the price is all over the place with Renew Gold? Ive seen 1-2 dollar differences on other feeds but $10 is a lot, I understand this isn't your doing Im just wondering if you have any insight? No kidding! After I started feeding it, it went up EXPONENTIALLY, now my mare won't touch it and I have almost a whole bag I'm going to have to dump out - she won't even eat it mixed with other feed and/or oats. One day she just wouldn't touch it - and yes, she's been treated for ulcers.
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Location: Willows, CA | The most consistent pricing is at TSC. Usually very close to $30 per bag across the country. Feed stores that are buying more than a few bags at a time can be pretty close to that price also depending on what else they buy from the distributor to maximize freight value. Obviously, this works out to about $1 per day per horse at one pound. Most horse owners are replacing three to five pounds of conventional grain based feed with one pound of Renew Gold because of the changes it causes in digestive efficiency. This makes it pretty easy to compare cost. Even if you are paying as much as $36 per bag, that is still $1.20 per day per horse. Comparing that to what three to five pounds of your previous conventional feed costs will show that in most cases Renew Gold is a lower cost program per horse, per month.
As I mentioned above, We have absolutely no input on what a store charges for our products, as every distributor pays the same for it with the same volume discounts based on the volume that they buy.
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Location: Arkansas | winwillows - 2017-02-24 12:33 PM
The most consistent pricing is at TSC. Usually very close to $30 per bag across the country. Feed stores that are buying more than a few bags at a time can be pretty close to that price also depending on what else they buy from the distributor to maximize freight value. Obviously, this works out to about $1 per day per horse at one pound. Most horse owners are replacing three to five pounds of conventional grain based feed with one pound of Renew Gold because of the changes it causes in digestive efficiency. This makes it pretty easy to compare cost. Even if you are paying as much as $36 per bag, that is still $1.20 per day per horse. Comparing that to what three to five pounds of your previous conventional feed costs will show that in most cases Renew Gold is a lower cost program per horse, per month.
As I mentioned above, We have absolutely no input on what a store charges for our products, as every distributor pays the same for it with the same volume discounts based on the volume that they buy.
Off topic a little, but I wanted to ask you about replacing regular stabilized rice bran with RG---is this ok to do? My old guy is on Purina Senior Active, beet pulp, rice bran, and Platinum CJ. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Chandler's Mom - 2017-02-24 9:42 PM
winwillows - 2017-02-24 12:33 PM
The most consistent pricing is at TSC. Usually very close to $30 per bag across the country. Feed stores that are buying more than a few bags at a time can be pretty close to that price also depending on what else they buy from the distributor to maximize freight value. Obviously, this works out to about $1 per day per horse at one pound. Most horse owners are replacing three to five pounds of conventional grain based feed with one pound of Renew Gold because of the changes it causes in digestive efficiency. This makes it pretty easy to compare cost. Even if you are paying as much as $36 per bag, that is still $1.20 per day per horse. Comparing that to what three to five pounds of your previous conventional feed costs will show that in most cases Renew Gold is a lower cost program per horse, per month.
As I mentioned above, We have absolutely no input on what a store charges for our products, as every distributor pays the same for it with the same volume discounts based on the volume that they buy.
Off topic a little, but I wanted to ask you about replacing regular stabilized rice bran with RG---is this ok to do? My old guy is on Purina Senior Active, beet pulp, rice bran, and Platinum CJ.
Yes, Renew Gold was developed to be an evolution from straight Stabilized Rice Bran. It is slightly less energy dense, but improves digestive efficiency throughout the entire system for a better overall result. |
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| Win Willows.... Question on freshness....the date printed on the top of the bag....manufacture date? I just bought some with May 2016 printed on it. How long does a sealed bag stay fresh for? |
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Location: Willows, CA | sandygirl1 - 2017-02-25 12:45 PM
Win Willows.... Question on freshness....the date printed on the top of the bag....manufacture date? I just bought some with May 2016 printed on it. How long does a sealed bag stay fresh for?
That dating on the top strip of the new bags is a frustration. It is the manufacturing date that the bags were made, not the Renew Gold inside. We are asking the bag company to use a different ID system for future print runs. |
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Location: Arkansas | winwillows - 2017-02-25 9:53 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-02-24 9:42 PM
winwillows - 2017-02-24 12:33 PM
The most consistent pricing is at TSC. Usually very close to $30 per bag across the country. Feed stores that are buying more than a few bags at a time can be pretty close to that price also depending on what else they buy from the distributor to maximize freight value. Obviously, this works out to about $1 per day per horse at one pound. Most horse owners are replacing three to five pounds of conventional grain based feed with one pound of Renew Gold because of the changes it causes in digestive efficiency. This makes it pretty easy to compare cost. Even if you are paying as much as $36 per bag, that is still $1.20 per day per horse. Comparing that to what three to five pounds of your previous conventional feed costs will show that in most cases Renew Gold is a lower cost program per horse, per month.
As I mentioned above, We have absolutely no input on what a store charges for our products, as every distributor pays the same for it with the same volume discounts based on the volume that they buy.
Off topic a little, but I wanted to ask you about replacing regular stabilized rice bran with RG---is this ok to do? My old guy is on Purina Senior Active, beet pulp, rice bran, and Platinum CJ.
Yes, Renew Gold was developed to be an evolution from straight Stabilized Rice Bran. It is slightly less energy dense, but improves digestive efficiency throughout the entire system for a better overall result.
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Location: The Lone Star State | now its 59.99 a bag! i am going to seriously have to find an alternative even if you only feed 1 lb a day. gheez |
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Location: Willows, CA | Ticktock - 2024-05-30 10:07 AM
now its 59.99 a bag! i am going to seriously have to find an alternative even if you only feed 1 lb a day. gheez
We can not tell a store what they can charge, but there is No reason for Original Renew Gold to be priced anywhere near that price unless you are ordering online and paying shipping to your house. If fact, since we terminated Manna Pro's contract on January 1st the price should have gone down significantly. Some stores who order from regional distribution don't even realize that they are paying less when the order a delivery that includes lots of other products. Give us a call at 530 934 9300 and we will find you a better deal. Also consider that if you are feeding a name brand grain based feed at 4 pounds per day, which Renew Gold would replace with one pound per day, you are still paying more per horse per month. Still there is no reason for a feed store to charge that price for Renew Gold since the price dropped by about 25% to the distributors. Win |
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Location: the end of the rainbow | Ticktock - 2024-05-30 8:07 AM
now its 59.99 a bag! i am going to seriously have to find an alternative even if you only feed 1 lb a day. gheez
Ouch. I thought the 44$ a bag at my local TSC was getting out of hand. |
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Location: Willows, CA | willrodeo4food - 2024-05-31 12:11 PM Ticktock - 2024-05-30 8:07 AM now its 59.99 a bag! i am going to seriously have to find an alternative even if you only feed 1 lb a day. gheez Ouch. I thought the 44$ a bag at my local TSC was getting out of hand. Renew Gold prices should be going down across the country. A check of Tractor Supply stores yesterday showed prices vary depending on region and shipping costs. It seems that most stores east of the Rockies are 39.99 for Renew Gold and 49.99 for Renew Gold Senior. This translates to $1.33 per day per head for RG and $1.67 per day for RG Senior. The Senior provides higher lysine, Vitamin C and Joint support for 34 cents per day more. All RG products are fixed formulation, no fillers, no vague byproducts and no corn, soy or wheat. West coast stores are priced higher due mostly to freight from our Ohio facility. We should see those prices will move down also. Independent stores on the West Coast should now be able to meet and in some cases beat TSC pricing if they choose to do so. This was not the case before January of this year. Since the Renew Gold distribution agreement with Manna Pro was terminated the price has slowly been trending down in most areas as the distribution systems and stores use up the the inventory that they bought from Manna Pro at a much higher price and are able to reflect the new much lower price that they now pay. We expect this trend to continue. Some stores have simply kept the savings and have not passed it on to customers. There is nothing that we can do about that other than try to help you find a better deal on Renew Gold. We are happy to try to do that. The prices for direct delivery that are linked to our web site renewgold.com were increased this week by a computer program mistake (not ours) and should be corrected right away. Those prices are freight included to your address, so they are higher as you might expect. We have no desire to compete with stocking stores that sell our line. However, there are a number of locations that either have no local stocking store, or simply are too far out of town to make the trip. In that case the link on our web site or Chewy can be solution to a long drive for just one bag or so. Our company does no direct sales to stores or customers and all goes through a distribution system, including the links to order online. Hope this help. Win
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Location: CTX | winwillows - 2024-05-31 1:12 PM
willrodeo4food - 2024-05-31 12:11 PM
Ticktock - 2024-05-30 8:07 AM
now its 59.99 a bag! i am going to seriously have to find an alternative even if you only feed 1 lb a day. gheez
Ouch. I thought the 44$ a bag at my local TSC was getting out of hand.
Renew Gold prices should be going down across the country. A check of Tractor Supply stores yesterday showed prices vary depending on region and shipping costs. It seems that most stores east of the Rockies are 39.99 for Renew Gold and 49.99 for Renew Gold Senior. This translates to $1.33 per day per head for RG and $1.67 per day for RG Senior. The Senior provides higher lysine, Vitamin C and Joint support for 34 cents per day more. All RG products are fixed formulation, no fillers, no vague byproducts and no corn, soy or wheat. West coast stores are priced higher due mostly to freight from our Ohio facility. We should see those prices will move down also. Independent stores on the West Coast should now be able to meet and in some cases beat TSC pricing if they choose to do so. This was not the case before January of this year.
Since the Renew Gold distribution agreement with Manna Pro was terminated the price has slowly been trending down in most areas as the distribution systems and stores use up the the inventory that they bought from Manna Pro at a much higher price and are able to reflect the new much lower price that they now pay. We expect this trend to continue. Some stores have simply kept the savings and have not passed it on to customers. There is nothing that we can do about that other than try to help you find a better deal on Renew Gold. We are happy to try to do that.
The prices for direct delivery that are linked to our web site renewgold.com were increased this week by a computer program mistake (not ours) and should be corrected right away. Those prices are freight included to your address, so they are higher as you might expect. We have no desire to compete with stocking stores that sell our line. However, there are a number of locations that either have no local stocking store, or simply are too far out of town to make the trip. In that case the link on our web site or Chewy can be solution to a long drive for just one bag or so.
Our company does no direct sales to stores or customers and all goes through a distribution system, including the links to order online.
Hope this help.
Win
Ours is $41.99 at the TSC in CTX, but if you do the subscription it drops down to $39.99. You can set the amount of bags and delivery schedule yourself. Not sure if it is everywhere, but they even ship it for free to my house. (I am top tier in the neighbor's club though, not sure it that has an impact on it.) |
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| winwillows - 2024-05-31 2:12 PM
willrodeo4food - 2024-05-31 12:11 PM
Ticktock - 2024-05-30 8:07 AM
now its 59.99 a bag! i am going to seriously have to find an alternative even if you only feed 1 lb a day. gheez
Ouch. I thought the 44$ a bag at my local TSC was getting out of hand.
Renew Gold prices should be going down across the country. A check of Tractor Supply stores yesterday showed prices vary depending on region and shipping costs. It seems that most stores east of the Rockies are 39.99 for Renew Gold and 49.99 for Renew Gold Senior. This translates to $1.33 per day per head for RG and $1.67 per day for RG Senior. The Senior provides higher lysine, Vitamin C and Joint support for 34 cents per day more. All RG products are fixed formulation, no fillers, no vague byproducts and no corn, soy or wheat. West coast stores are priced higher due mostly to freight from our Ohio facility. We should see those prices will move down also. Independent stores on the West Coast should now be able to meet and in some cases beat TSC pricing if they choose to do so. This was not the case before January of this year.
Since the Renew Gold distribution agreement with Manna Pro was terminated the price has slowly been trending down in most areas as the distribution systems and stores use up the the inventory that they bought from Manna Pro at a much higher price and are able to reflect the new much lower price that they now pay. We expect this trend to continue. Some stores have simply kept the savings and have not passed it on to customers. There is nothing that we can do about that other than try to help you find a better deal on Renew Gold. We are happy to try to do that.
The prices for direct delivery that are linked to our web site renewgold.com were increased this week by a computer program mistake (not ours) and should be corrected right away. Those prices are freight included to your address, so they are higher as you might expect. We have no desire to compete with stocking stores that sell our line. However, there are a number of locations that either have no local stocking store, or simply are too far out of town to make the trip. In that case the link on our web site or Chewy can be solution to a long drive for just one bag or so.
Our company does no direct sales to stores or customers and all goes through a distribution system, including the links to order online.
Hope this help.
Win
When will Chewy be back in stock with RG?? I get my chicken feed from Chewy and it would be great to get RG through them too. RG is 'out of stock' for all products. |
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