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rodeomom3
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Iwish - 2014-11-03 1:50 PM Thank you everyone, you are all helping me see this in a different light. I always let people get to me, I dont know why, and it always brings me down. In the end, everyone is going to have an opinion (some nice and some just down right ugly) and I just have to learn how to not let their opinions affect me in a negative way.

Here ya go.... different discipline- same principal 

First Mule Ever Makes It to the US Dressage FinalsLaura Hermanson and Heart B Dyna bray in the faces of anyone who thinks dressage is elitist.
When Laura Hermanson received an email saying she was long-listed to compete at Training Level in the US Dressage Finals in Lexington, Kentucky, she halfway thought it was a joke.She had been showing mules for the past three years, and she was campaigning her own molly mule Heart B Dyna toward making it to the USDF regional finals in California.
But the USEF has only allowed mules in competition since 2004, and a mule has never competed at the US Dressage Finals.
But a few weeks later, she received another email. Dyna had been bumped up from the waitlist, and was officially qualified. It was a dream come true… but Laura called the USDF juuuust to be sure.
“You know this is a mule, right?” she asked.
A pause. A shuffle of papers.
“Finally, they said yes!” says Laura. “And I knew I had to find a way to make it happen.”
Laura and 12-year-old Dyna have come a long way since they first met in 2006. Laura, a dressage trainer at Oak Star Ranch, had the idea to buy a mule with the gaits for dressage after a client’s mule really challenged her as a rider and a horsewoman, changing her skills for the better.
“It’s hard to pinpoint what makes them so special,” she continues. “Everything with them is like a horse, just amplified. Their power of retention is amazing, so the biggest trouble is reiterating something too much. You just have to be very accurate and fair… and you need a sense of humor because their dads are donkeys! They just have a piece of them that says, ‘nope, I’m not doing that today.’”
Seemingly, dressage would be the perfect discipline for an equine that demands an accurate ride. But Dyna didn’t think so at first.
“Dyna was a very, very tricky-minded creature, but very talented and very athletic,” says Laura, “I had to learn all these disciplines with her. I tried jumping; I tried cutting with her. Dressage has always been my background, and I knew there was probably going to be a time when I could focus on that exclusively with her, but with mules you have to be in it for the long haul, since they take a long time to mature.”
While riding mules isn’t too rare in California, at dressage shows other competitors were initially skeptical of Laura’s unconventional mount. But when her client horses and Dyna did well, their doubts subsided. Laura has gotten comments like “Great relaxation of the ears” on dressage tests!
But she didn’t trust her old truck and trailer to make it all the way from Madera, California, to Lexington. The cost of shipping Dyna across the country was daunting, and that was before hotel, rental car, vet and show costs. So Laura talked to a friend who worked in the movie business, and learned about GoFundMe as a means to bring the first mule ever to the US Dressage Finals. She surpassed her goal of $8,000 in little over two weeks.
“It’s been unbelievable. This was the first time I’ve ever really had to ask for help, especially financially—but it’s just grown kindness breeding kindness, and opened up a community of people I didn’t even know existed.”
She has gotten donations from all kinds of mule supporters, from the owners of Dyna’s full brother to complete strangers with plow mules.
“Dressage has the reputation of being elitist. And I’m living proof that’s not true. I’m riding a mule for goodness sakes!” Laura laughs. “It goes to show that anyone can do this. If you have a dream, you can do it.”
Thanks for sharing your story with us, Laura, and best of luck to you and Dyna next week!
Go Riding.
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rodeomom3 - 2014-11-03 2:49 PM

Iwish - 2014-11-03 1:50 PM Thank you everyone, you are all helping me see this in a different light. I always let people get to me, I dont know why, and it always brings me down. In the end, everyone is going to have an opinion (some nice and some just down right ugly) and I just have to learn how to not let their opinions affect me in a negative way.

Here ya go.... different discipline- same principal 

First Mule Ever Makes It to the US Dressage FinalsLaura Hermanson and Heart B Dyna bray in the faces of anyone who thinks dressage is elitist.
When Laura Hermanson received an email saying she was long-listed to compete at Training Level in the US Dressage Finals in Lexington, Kentucky, she halfway thought it was a joke.She had been showing mules for the past three years, and she was campaigning her own molly mule Heart B Dyna toward making it to the USDF regional finals in California.
But the USEF has only allowed mules in competition since 2004, and a mule has never competed at the US Dressage Finals.
But a few weeks later, she received another email. Dyna had been bumped up from the waitlist, and was officially qualified. It was a dream come true… but Laura called the USDF juuuust to be sure.
“You know this is a mule, right?” she asked.
A pause. A shuffle of papers.
“Finally, they said yes!” says Laura. “And I knew I had to find a way to make it happen.”
Laura and 12-year-old Dyna have come a long way since they first met in 2006. Laura, a dressage trainer at Oak Star Ranch, had the idea to buy a mule with the gaits for dressage after a client’s mule really challenged her as a rider and a horsewoman, changing her skills for the better.
“It’s hard to pinpoint what makes them so special,” she continues. “Everything with them is like a horse, just amplified. Their power of retention is amazing, so the biggest trouble is reiterating something too much. You just have to be very accurate and fair… and you need a sense of humor because their dads are donkeys! They just have a piece of them that says, ‘nope, I’m not doing that today.’”
Seemingly, dressage would be the perfect discipline for an equine that demands an accurate ride. But Dyna didn’t think so at first.
“Dyna was a very, very tricky-minded creature, but very talented and very athletic,” says Laura, “I had to learn all these disciplines with her. I tried jumping; I tried cutting with her. Dressage has always been my background, and I knew there was probably going to be a time when I could focus on that exclusively with her, but with mules you have to be in it for the long haul, since they take a long time to mature.”
While riding mules isn’t too rare in California, at dressage shows other competitors were initially skeptical of Laura’s unconventional mount. But when her client horses and Dyna did well, their doubts subsided. Laura has gotten comments like “Great relaxation of the ears” on dressage tests!
But she didn’t trust her old truck and trailer to make it all the way from Madera, California, to Lexington. The cost of shipping Dyna across the country was daunting, and that was before hotel, rental car, vet and show costs. So Laura talked to a friend who worked in the movie business, and learned about GoFundMe as a means to bring the first mule ever to the US Dressage Finals. She surpassed her goal of $8,000 in little over two weeks.
“It’s been unbelievable. This was the first time I’ve ever really had to ask for help, especially financially—but it’s just grown kindness breeding kindness, and opened up a community of people I didn’t even know existed.”
She has gotten donations from all kinds of mule supporters, from the owners of Dyna’s full brother to complete strangers with plow mules.
“Dressage has the reputation of being elitist. And I’m living proof that’s not true. I’m riding a mule for goodness sakes!” Laura laughs. “It goes to show that anyone can do this. If you have a dream, you can do it.”
Thanks for sharing your story with us, Laura, and best of luck to you and Dyna next week!
Go Riding.

I seen that on Facebook and I know nothing about the levels of dressage, is training level a high level?

She is a beautiful mule
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Iwish - 2014-11-02 7:27 PM So this is something that has been bugging me and has bugged me for quite some time. I see this all the time, people post the pedigree of something and ask for opinions on it and if it isnt jam packed with the "whose who" of the barrel racing world or is AAA and AAAT bred out the butt, most people will say "i wouldnt buy it" or "it aint worth the time" or "i dont recognize anything on the papers, so i wouldnt buy it". It isnt just on here that i have noticed it, i have noticed it at barrel races as well. I will never forget over hearing a conversation at a barrel race. This girl was sitting in the stands and had a couple hours before ran a really nice pattern on a really nice horse. These other girls came up to her and started talking to her saying what a nice horse, great run, etc. etc. Then they asked how was her horse bred. She said oh, he was bred to be a ranch horse he is all foundation bred. These other girls went oh...and walked away. As they past me i could hear them snickering and saying who would waste there time on something bred like that... Really?! You just watched this horse lay down an awesome run, were congratulating her on it, then find out its not "bred" for barrels so suddenly it aint worth a penny?... Not everyone can afford a horse that is packed to the gills with AAA and AAAT race horses and Is by Dash Ta Fame, frenchmans guy, firewater flit, streak of fling, judge cash or some other multi million dollar sire. So if you cant afford something like that then what? You might as well not even bother trying to futurity or rodeo with your "non name brand" bred horse, give up your dreams, pack up and go home and only stick to gymkhanas or local jackpots or playdays because your horse isn't "bred" for barrels. A horse bred like that isn't worth the time, effort and money it takes to futurity and rodeo. Even if that horse has the text book conformation you look for when buying a barrel horse, has the heart and try every great barrel horse needs, is so athletic it gives you goose bumps, but it doesn't have "name brand" papers so it just isnt going to be worth the time to train it for barrels. I know not EVERY barrel racer thinks like this, but more often than not this is the kind of answer i get. It is so discouraging to hear/see this over and over again. I haven't even started barrel racing, but im to the point that im not sure if i even want to. Im not saying that everyone should sell there expensive prospects and only buy a "non name brand" bred horse because others cant afford those expensive prospects so we shouldn't make them "feel bad". Good for you if you can afford a prospect with a designer pedigree, i wish i could. As a person sitting on the sidelines looking in, the message i get is if you cant afford a designer bred barrel horse you shouldn't even bother. These are my feelings, i know not everyone sees it this way, but this is the taste i have in my mouth and its bitter. Im sure that there are other horse sports that are the same way, i just happen to be interested in barrel racing. P.S. i can not tell you how many times i read, re read, re re read over this and how long it took me to get the courage.. or stupidity.. to hit that submit button... Im hoping im not the only one who feels this way....or maybe its a good thing if im the only one who feels this way, maybe i have the wrong idea...


I've only ever riden gransons or grandaughters of that are my own. You would be amazed at how many people blow me off the same way when I rave about them on paper. (No breeding, Nothing impressive... etc.) But until they see me run, I keep my mouth shut about it.
Leave it all in the arena. Your horse will prove himself in the arena... Or he won't. Maybe not on paper, but if he's worth anything It will all come out in the arena.


 
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oija - 2014-11-03 10:40 AM
Iwish - 2014-11-02 9:25 PM You just proved my point... all those studs you mentioned, I (and many others) cant afford to buy direct sons and daughters of theirs, I cant afford to buy a grandson of them that is out of a proven son of theirs (like firewater on the rocks, pc frenchmans hayday, lions share of fame etc.) So im left with the choice of either buying a great great grandson of them out of a stud that is not proven or to go looking for "other" bloodlines. Which then falls into the category of what i mentioned before that so many say, "everything that is "recognizable" is to far back to count, i wouldn't buy it." Which leads me right back to this post.. Obviously a top cutter would have no use for a son of Dash Ta fame. It doesn't matter whether it barrels, cutting, reining etc. not everyone can afford the top bloodlines, so again does that mean that i shouldn't even bother trying since i can only afford a great grandson of them that is out of a un-proven son?
Keep this in mind. Those studs may be out of your price range but there are a lot of nice studs out there that won't be, maybe from completely different lines. I love pedigrees. I think of them like a puzzle. And I breed so I tend to care. But if I'm going to buy one to perform, and not breed prospects to sell, their performance record matters more than their papers. If I'm going to breed, I'd like both, pedigree and performance. That being said, a thread on here back a while ago asked people whether they were more concerned with the mare's pedigree or her performance for a prospect. Pedigree won the day. It just depends what your interest is. If you just want a solid horse to haul on the weekend and enjoy, you can do that with lots of different types and lots make solid winners, especially in the lower Ds. But if you are going to breed then you will find that those interested in buying care about pedigree. It's not all about being a 'pedigree snob.' Some of it is just business.
^^^^ This.  Breeding horses is like putting pieces of a puzzle together.  Sometimes the mare needs more speed or more turn. You find a compatible stallion that can give her those things.  

I breed so pedigree is important.  If I were going to buy a gelding to ride, pedigree is not so important.  Then disposition and conformation become more important than pedigree.  

Whoever said you can't afford the best breeding?  I think most people who say that are only looking at daughters and sons not grandget.  You can get some good deals on grandget.

Sometimes you have to think outside the box too.  Just because a horse isn't barrel horse bred, doesn't mean they aren't well bred and very capable of running barrels as well as a barrel bred horse.   When I was young I was friends with some people who raised a few head for the track.  I bought this gelding.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rebit+oh

I loved him so much I bought his sister.  She was even better than he was.  She has founded a dynasty of barrel horses for me.  I have 2 of her daughters and getting the 3rd one back early next year to breed.  Everything descended from her has been able to run barrels at a high level.  

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/oh+ima+lady


I don't know why I can't make those live links.  Grrr
 

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I haven't read all the replies. But I just wanna mention this, this year at the iowa state fair the winner of the queen contest.....rode a mule. Yep a bonified long eared jack ass. Let me tell you the other contestants tried to find it in the rules to exclude her because she rode a mule. And you know she was laughed at by some and the mules pedigree, who knows. Now, I'm not knocking mules in any way. But at the end of the day it's all about following your dream and doing the best with what you have. Who cares what others think or what they are riding. I understand using the papers as a guide of what to loosely expect but you can't base everything solely on that. I'm off my soap box now.
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My mare is definitely a "out of the box" pedigree. When i bought her, i had intended to buy something that had that "all-star" pedigree (well...what i could afford that had a nice pedigree) but as always i ended up buying something completely different because i fall in love with the horse first then the pedigree. I have always been that way, then i think dang it I wasn't going to do that this time... I love my mare, i love her so much i sold her (i know that doesn't make since, but i wanted what was best for her and at the time i wasn't riding) and then i bought her back because i new i made a mistake. She is a big, solid made type of horse that is hard to come by these days and she is so stinking athletic its crazy. She loves the barrels, and they are just effortless for her. But to look at her pedigree, most people wouldn't spit in her direction. I guess that's what got to me, is that here is a horse that has so much potential , built to last, tough and gritty, stoic, so far in her short start on the pattern she LOVES it, so i know her heart will be 110% in to it, but many wouldn't even look twice at her based on pedigree alone. Well, i guess i will get to be the lucky one that owns her because i took the chance on her. Thank you again everyone, you really helped to open up my eyes that while yes pedigree is important and to most it is "everything" but not all are that way and some people are like me and take that chance. I LOVE seeing the mules competing at some of the top levels. There use to be a girl around here that ran a mule and did quite well i believe.
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Don't worry about what other people have that you don't. I think you see that now :). I can't afford DTF or FG either so I bred to my favorite sons of both. The mares I have now are bred very well in their own right but they aren't the #1 names in the industry either. But they are very special to me. And yep, there's always someone out there who will have something I don't but it's okay. I look toward the future and if that's what I want someday, I'll make the gameplan to have it eventually. But it may not be right now or even within the next few years!

I love bloodlines and pedigrees but I know it's not everything. I personally love a running bred horse but other people want cow lines...just because it's not something I particularly want doesn't mean it's not just as good!
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cheryl makofka Here ya go.... different discipline- same principal 
I seen that on Facebook and I know nothing about the levels of dressage, is training level a high level? She is a beautiful mule


Cheryl: Training level is lower level.  They go like this:
Training Level
Training Level is the first level of dressage tests and the place to begin dressage training. Horses at Training Level are tested on their willingness to perform the movements and their suppleness. There are three tests at Training Level. Horses must be able to perform the free walk, medium walk, working trot, working canter and halt. Riders must demonstrate they are able to shorten and lengthen reins. Movements also include circles, straight lines, bends and gait transitions.
First Level
First Level adds four challenges to Training Level. New movements include riding one loop or 10 meter half circle, which builds the foundation for serpentine work at higher levels, as well as the leg yield. Horses are asked to perform two sizes of circles, a 20 and 15 meter circle, demonstrating proper bend around the rider's inside leg. Horses also must be able to lengthen their stride and return to the working stride. Riders also may perform a simple Musical Freestyle at this level.
Second Level
Second level introduces movement related to collection. All of the movements at Training and First Levels are included at Second Level. Judges look for crisp and smooth transitions between collected and lengthened strides at various gaits. New movements introduced at Second Level include the counter canter, shoulder in, travers, simple lead changes, the rein back, and collected canter and trot.
Third Level
Third Level tests the horse's ability to extend after the collected work at the Second Level. Movements tested at the walk include the medium and free walk, with horses asked to lengthen and shorten their strides at the walk. The half turn on the haunches also must be executed at the walk. At the trot, horses are tested on the medium, extended and collected trots, with the half pass and shoulder in included in the trot. Canter movements include a medium and collected canter. Horses also must demonstrate flying lead changes at the canter and the counter canter, and they also must halt from the collected trot.
Fourth Level
Fourth Level tests the building blocks for the upper level movements of dressage. Horses must demonstrate impulsion, suppleness and willingness. New movements added to the prior levels include the walking half pirouette, quarter pirouette at the canter, and flying lead changes performed every third or fourth stride.
Prix St. Georges
Prix St. Georges begins the elite levels of dressage tested at international horse shows. Horses must be at least seven years old before performing the Prix St. Georges. All of the movements required at previous levels are tested, plus the volte (turn) in an 8 meter circle at the trot, as well as the halt from the collected canter.
Intermediare Levels
Intermediare Levels I and II set the stage for the ultimate dressage level, which follows Intermediare II, Grand Prix. At the Intermediare Levels, the zig zag half pass is added to the movements required from prior levels, and horses must now be able to change leads with every second or third stride instead of at the third or fourth stride. Intermediare II requires leads changes with every stride as well as the Passage and Piaffe.
Grand Prix
Grand Prix represents the pinnacle of dressage, and its the level most people are familiar with from watching the equestrian competition at the Olympics. The FEI governs Grand Prix dressage rules and requirements. While no new movements are added, the movements from Intermediare II must be performed as perfectly as possible.
 

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When I go to a horse sale I look at the horse and it's confirmation first then I look at the papers. If you don't have confirmation you don't have a horse that is going to be able to give you all it's potential its whole life. There are people that buy on color and there are people that buy papers. And when they got them home I hope that they don't have to say ( I paid how  much  for this horse ) . I would never buy a horse without seeing it with my own eyes and touching it with my own hands. The best feeling in the world is taking something that you have trained yourself and beat some of those big dollar horses. If you watch a lot of the big barrel races you would not have to have the fastest  horse there to be in the top 50 percent because of so many nocked over barrels. Enjoy what you have and don't worry about the other riders.
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 One of the advantages of buying name brand prospects is even if they don't work out for you, someone will be willing to give you good money for them.   That said, every time I got stars in my eyes over a set of papers, it did not turn out well.  My best horses have been well bred, but not name brand...probably because I bought them based on the horse in front of me and not the papers.  
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LMS - 2014-11-03 12:11 PM

LOL, I think the point everyone is missing here, is that there are Bitches in every walk of life and you can never please hardly anyone anymore!   Apparantly it is more fun to be catty and snotty than genuinely nice and polite :)

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rodeomom3 - 2014-11-03 2:49 PM

Iwish - 2014-11-03 1:50 PM Thank you everyone, you are all helping me see this in a different light. I always let people get to me, I dont know why, and it always brings me down. In the end, everyone is going to have an opinion (some nice and some just down right ugly) and I just have to learn how to not let their opinions affect me in a negative way.

Here ya go.... different discipline- same principal 

First Mule Ever Makes It to the US Dressage FinalsLaura Hermanson and Heart B Dyna bray in the faces of anyone who thinks dressage is elitist.
When Laura Hermanson received an email saying she was long-listed to compete at Training Level in the US Dressage Finals in Lexington, Kentucky, she halfway thought it was a joke.She had been showing mules for the past three years, and she was campaigning her own molly mule Heart B Dyna toward making it to the USDF regional finals in California.
But the USEF has only allowed mules in competition since 2004, and a mule has never competed at the US Dressage Finals.
But a few weeks later, she received another email. Dyna had been bumped up from the waitlist, and was officially qualified. It was a dream come true… but Laura called the USDF juuuust to be sure.
“You know this is a mule, right?” she asked.
A pause. A shuffle of papers.
“Finally, they said yes!” says Laura. “And I knew I had to find a way to make it happen.”
Laura and 12-year-old Dyna have come a long way since they first met in 2006. Laura, a dressage trainer at Oak Star Ranch, had the idea to buy a mule with the gaits for dressage after a client’s mule really challenged her as a rider and a horsewoman, changing her skills for the better.
“It’s hard to pinpoint what makes them so special,” she continues. “Everything with them is like a horse, just amplified. Their power of retention is amazing, so the biggest trouble is reiterating something too much. You just have to be very accurate and fair… and you need a sense of humor because their dads are donkeys! They just have a piece of them that says, ‘nope, I’m not doing that today.’”
Seemingly, dressage would be the perfect discipline for an equine that demands an accurate ride. But Dyna didn’t think so at first.
“Dyna was a very, very tricky-minded creature, but very talented and very athletic,” says Laura, “I had to learn all these disciplines with her. I tried jumping; I tried cutting with her. Dressage has always been my background, and I knew there was probably going to be a time when I could focus on that exclusively with her, but with mules you have to be in it for the long haul, since they take a long time to mature.”
While riding mules isn’t too rare in California, at dressage shows other competitors were initially skeptical of Laura’s unconventional mount. But when her client horses and Dyna did well, their doubts subsided. Laura has gotten comments like “Great relaxation of the ears” on dressage tests!
But she didn’t trust her old truck and trailer to make it all the way from Madera, California, to Lexington. The cost of shipping Dyna across the country was daunting, and that was before hotel, rental car, vet and show costs. So Laura talked to a friend who worked in the movie business, and learned about GoFundMe as a means to bring the first mule ever to the US Dressage Finals. She surpassed her goal of $8,000 in little over two weeks.
“It’s been unbelievable. This was the first time I’ve ever really had to ask for help, especially financially—but it’s just grown kindness breeding kindness, and opened up a community of people I didn’t even know existed.”
She has gotten donations from all kinds of mule supporters, from the owners of Dyna’s full brother to complete strangers with plow mules.
“Dressage has the reputation of being elitist. And I’m living proof that’s not true. I’m riding a mule for goodness sakes!” Laura laughs. “It goes to show that anyone can do this. If you have a dream, you can do it.”
Thanks for sharing your story with us, Laura, and best of luck to you and Dyna next week!
Go Riding.

Now this is a great story!
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That mule is neat.

There was another one making the USDF rounds that was pretty cool.


Anywho, girls get catty period. I've been guilty of it from time to time (I'm not perfect) and people have acted that way towards me too. I try my best to be nice to everyone and ignore the catty comments. There will always be catty folks... just ignore them and fine positive people to chill with. :
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barrelracr131 - 2014-11-04 8:44 AM That mule is neat.



There was another one making the USDF rounds that was pretty cool.





Anywho, girls get catty period. I've been guilty of it from time to time (I'm not perfect) and people have acted that way towards me too. I try my best to be nice to everyone and ignore the catty comments. There will always be catty folks... just ignore them and fine positive people to chill with. :

Sometimes, you're just in the mood to be a bitch.   
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