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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 11:29 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 11:10 AM The short of this topic, people want more rules in barrel racing. More work for the host, as now they will have to measure prior to advertising the event this can even be a year in advance, so people can know what category the pattern will be. What happens if the event advertises one pattern, but the arena changed the dimensions so the pattern will not be as advertised. You're the one that is making it difficult.
A producer would have the dimensions of the different patterns and the day of the race would put one of them in place and when posting results would post what pattern it was run on. There would be no need for them to post what pattern their race would be run on. All producers have to go out and stake their pattern for a race. The only ones that would do this would be the same ones that care enough to send in their results to EquiStat. I don't think they would have a meltdown posting what pattern they used.
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Location: Northern CA | daisycake123 - 2014-11-05 3:55 PM Too many varibales like ground, how mqny in a drag, inside arena, outside arens, air temp and dampness of ground vs wetness. Deepness of ground. I could go one. Ifmthey put new ground in a arena.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Way too many things come into play besides the size of the pattern. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Seriously people. We ALL know that the ground makes a huge difference and this is meant to be a selling tool. AZ and the Northwest already use this as a selling tool and EVERYONE knows there are variables but you can look up results and see where a horse is usually running on a standard pattern.
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| Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 11:29 AM
cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 11:10 AM The short of this topic, people want more rules in barrel racing. More work for the host, as now they will have to measure prior to advertising the event this can even be a year in advance, so people can know what category the pattern will be. What happens if the event advertises one pattern, but the arena changed the dimensions so the pattern will not be as advertised.
You're the one that is making it difficult.
A producer would have the dimensions of the different patterns and the day of the race would put one of them in place and when posting results would post what pattern it was run on. There would be no need for them to post what pattern their race would be run on. All producers have to go out and stake their pattern for a race. The only ones that would do this would be the same ones that care enough to send in their results to EquiStat. I don't think they would have a meltdown posting what pattern they used.
From what people are saying they would want it posted prior, as this would be one of the factors they would look at when entering, as some have said certain horses run better on certain sized patterns.
Most producers, I thought, post the dimensions of the pattern with the results, if the producers are already doing this, people can figure it out for themselves. |
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| WYOracer - 2014-11-06 11:25 AM
Anyone else noticed that now when producers are using laser stakes instead of ground stakes the barrel is set in the middle of the stake instead of at the lip of the barrel? So when I was at a barrel race a couple months ago and they say its set to a standard I don't see how it truly was a standard since the barrel was set on the stake differently. Makes a difference in my mind.
WPRA rules state that barrels should be centered on the markers as well.
12.12.9. When setting barrels on marker, center of barrel shall be positioned over where marker comes out of the ground.
I've seen it done both ways at different events, whether they have stakes or lasers. No idea why though! |
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Location: Texas! | k.maddocks24 - 2014-11-06 11:06 AM WYOracer - 2014-11-06 11:25 AM Anyone else noticed that now when producers are using laser stakes instead of ground stakes the barrel is set in the middle of the stake instead of at the lip of the barrel? So when I was at a barrel race a couple months ago and they say its set to a standard I don't see how it truly was a standard since the barrel was set on the stake differently. Makes a difference in my mind. WPRA rules state that barrels should be centered on the markers as well. 12.12.9. When setting barrels on marker, center of barrel shall be positioned over where marker comes out of the ground. I've seen it done both ways at different events, whether they have stakes or lasers. No idea why though!
Yes but not every event is WPRA so not everyone is playing by their rules. The times will be different whether you stake middle, inside or outside. Caused a big uproar at a futurity a couple years ago when a barrel was set on the wrong side of a stake for a few runs. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 12:05 PM Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 11:29 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 11:10 AM The short of this topic, people want more rules in barrel racing. More work for the host, as now they will have to measure prior to advertising the event this can even be a year in advance, so people can know what category the pattern will be. What happens if the event advertises one pattern, but the arena changed the dimensions so the pattern will not be as advertised. You're the one that is making it difficult.
A producer would have the dimensions of the different patterns and the day of the race would put one of them in place and when posting results would post what pattern it was run on. There would be no need for them to post what pattern their race would be run on. All producers have to go out and stake their pattern for a race. The only ones that would do this would be the same ones that care enough to send in their results to EquiStat. I don't think they would have a meltdown posting what pattern they used. From what people are saying they would want it posted prior, as this would be one of the factors they would look at when entering, as some have said certain horses run better on certain sized patterns. Most producers, I thought, post the dimensions of the pattern with the results, if the producers are already doing this, people can figure it out for themselves.
I live in the US and I've never know a producer to post the dimensions of a pattern so my idea is for the US. The only producer I've ever seen post what pattern they are going to run on is the ANHA in Waco so 1 out of 8097098 runs in Texas I would say they aren't posting pattern sizes. Producers could use it as a drawing card but most barrel racers could really care less what pattern they are going to run on. Some producers tend to use the same size patterns in different arenas and it doesn't matter that the ground changes etc., posting an arena record is fun and I do know some barrel racers that love breaking and setting arena records so instead of arena records that could have pattern records and EVERYONE would know that it had to be fast ground..pretty much a no brainer.
This year at the Congress, they broke arena records for the first time in 7 years. If you ever ran there you knew the ground could suck so it was a hats off to the arena crew for making the ground fast but it is still bragging rights for the arena record breaker.
Pole Benders have used their times to sell horses for years as the pole pattern is a set pattern and I guess they are smarter then barrel racers as they know ground plays a huge role whether a 20 second run or a low 19 will win it. They can go and see what horses they ran against to get a good idea how good that horse is. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | This is why every barrel racer should have to produce a barrel race so they actually get the whole setting up patterns do's and don'ts. We aren't talking about rodeos. We're talking abot the big 4 and 5-D races.
Wrapn3 will be on later or tomorrow to put her 2 cents in. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 12:26 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 12:05 PM Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 11:29 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 11:10 AM The short of this topic, people want more rules in barrel racing. More work for the host, as now they will have to measure prior to advertising the event this can even be a year in advance, so people can know what category the pattern will be. What happens if the event advertises one pattern, but the arena changed the dimensions so the pattern will not be as advertised. You're the one that is making it difficult.
A producer would have the dimensions of the different patterns and the day of the race would put one of them in place and when posting results would post what pattern it was run on. There would be no need for them to post what pattern their race would be run on. All producers have to go out and stake their pattern for a race. The only ones that would do this would be the same ones that care enough to send in their results to EquiStat. I don't think they would have a meltdown posting what pattern they used. From what people are saying they would want it posted prior, as this would be one of the factors they would look at when entering, as some have said certain horses run better on certain sized patterns. Most producers, I thought, post the dimensions of the pattern with the results, if the producers are already doing this, people can figure it out for themselves.
This year at the Congress, they broke arena records for the first time in 7 years. If you ever ran there you knew the ground could suck so it was a hats off to the arena crew for making the ground fast but it is still bragging rights for the arena record breaker.
Pole Benders have used their times to sell horses for years as the pole pattern is a set pattern and I guess they are smarter then barrel racers as they know ground plays a huge role whether a 20 second run or a low 19 will win it. They can go and see what horses they ran against to get a good idea how good that horse is.
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Location: Texas | I guess the big deal here is why in the world would you be against something like this? It is a fabulous tool and could benefit so many people. And it isn't any more work for the producers either. They have to set a pattern so why not look up the dimensions and just set one of those that are listed. We need ONE big producer to get this going and I feel confident that others will follow suit. I'm sure they already have measurements for lots of patterns in lots of different venues... just need to get them put on paper, added to their website and voila! It would be awesome!
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Location: North Dakota | Ok people she is saying that if it is a small arena then you will have a small standard lets call it A, a medium arena would be B, and a large C so to say that you need to post which one you are using beforehand so people know beforehand is pointless. If your horse does not run well in a small pattern then do not enter a run at a small arena. She is not saying having the large arenas set up as a small pattern.
I think it's a nice idea. We have very few standard sized patterns up north so it would be nice to know how comparable my horses are running to lets say the pattern for the WPRA world finals, NFR, etc. We had a producer set up a Pendelton sized pattern in a bean field this year. I didn't get to run at it but I loved the idea! |
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Location: Texas | Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 12:26 PM
cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 12:05 PM Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 11:29 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 11:10 AM The short of this topic, people want more rules in barrel racing. More work for the host, as now they will have to measure prior to advertising the event this can even be a year in advance, so people can know what category the pattern will be. What happens if the event advertises one pattern, but the arena changed the dimensions so the pattern will not be as advertised. You're the one that is making it difficult.
A producer would have the dimensions of the different patterns and the day of the race would put one of them in place and when posting results would post what pattern it was run on. There would be no need for them to post what pattern their race would be run on. All producers have to go out and stake their pattern for a race. The only ones that would do this would be the same ones that care enough to send in their results to EquiStat. I don't think they would have a meltdown posting what pattern they used. From what people are saying they would want it posted prior, as this would be one of the factors they would look at when entering, as some have said certain horses run better on certain sized patterns. Most producers, I thought, post the dimensions of the pattern with the results, if the producers are already doing this, people can figure it out for themselves.
This year at the Congress, they broke arena records for the first time in 7 years. If you ever ran there you knew the ground could suck so it was a hats off to the arena crew for making the ground fast but it is still bragging rights for the arena record breaker.
Pole Benders have used their times to sell horses for years as the pole pattern is a set pattern and I guess they are smarter then barrel racers as they know ground plays a huge role whether a 20 second run or a low 19 will win it. They can go and see what horses they ran against to get a good idea how good that horse is.
And the cool thing would be to see if the same horse could set those records on multiple patterns. It's a bad mamajama that could have a big pattern record and a small pattern record!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | grinandbareit - 2014-11-06 1:13 PM Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 12:26 PM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 12:05 PM Nevertooold - 2014-11-06 11:29 AM cheryl makofka - 2014-11-06 11:10 AM The short of this topic, people want more rules in barrel racing. More work for the host, as now they will have to measure prior to advertising the event this can even be a year in advance, so people can know what category the pattern will be. What happens if the event advertises one pattern, but the arena changed the dimensions so the pattern will not be as advertised. You're the one that is making it difficult.
A producer would have the dimensions of the different patterns and the day of the race would put one of them in place and when posting results would post what pattern it was run on. There would be no need for them to post what pattern their race would be run on. All producers have to go out and stake their pattern for a race. The only ones that would do this would be the same ones that care enough to send in their results to EquiStat. I don't think they would have a meltdown posting what pattern they used. From what people are saying they would want it posted prior, as this would be one of the factors they would look at when entering, as some have said certain horses run better on certain sized patterns. Most producers, I thought, post the dimensions of the pattern with the results, if the producers are already doing this, people can figure it out for themselves.
This year at the Congress, they broke arena records for the first time in 7 years. If you ever ran there you knew the ground could suck so it was a hats off to the arena crew for making the ground fast but it is still bragging rights for the arena record breaker.
Pole Benders have used their times to sell horses for years as the pole pattern is a set pattern and I guess they are smarter then barrel racers as they know ground plays a huge role whether a 20 second run or a low 19 will win it. They can go and see what horses they ran against to get a good idea how good that horse is. And the cool thing would be to see if the same horse could set those records on multiple patterns. It's a bad mamajama that could have a big pattern record and a small pattern record!
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| RocketPilot - 2014-11-05 7:40 PM
Why would the producers or associations care if they help people market their horses?
Money and HYPE. The more people you have talking about something, the more hype you can get going, the more money you can bring back to your own pocket through different routes - concessions, entries, vendors, etc.
Put yourself in the shoes of a producer, if you think a bit bigger out of the box ... you could potentially start a bi-coastal comparison and use that to market what happened at your race compared to others' and entice people to come to your races to compare how they run to the big dogs.  |
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Location: western Nebraska | In my area they started using lasers to mark the patterns at several of the arenas. We have three I regularly go to and you know the ground changes some but you also know what a good time is. I am going to call them and ask them what the measurements are. We also have quite a few open rodeos that set a standard-90ft between the 1st and 2nd and 105 to the 3rd with a 40 -45 ft score. At those rodeoes if someone is winning it with a middle to low 16 you know they had a great run. It would be fun if the results included the size of the pattern. I bet as time goes on it would be easy to compare them as there are probably more the same size patterns then you would think. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | doglady - 2014-11-06 1:51 PM In my area they started using lasers to mark the patterns at several of the arenas. We have three I regularly go to and you know the ground changes some but you also know what a good time is. I am going to call them and ask them what the measurements are. We also have quite a few open rodeos that set a standard-90ft between the 1st and 2nd and 105 to the 3rd with a 40 -45 ft score. At those rodeoes if someone is winning it with a middle to low 16 you know they had a great run. It would be fun if the results included the size of the pattern. I bet as time goes on it would be easy to compare them as there are probably more the same size patterns then you would think.
I agree as many arenas are built with the same dimensions. |
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