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But with most of my therapies if they don't notice a difference I don't charge.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | bris2125 - 2014-11-19 11:05 AM
Thank you for your reply since you do have experience with it. I had a horse on his death bed, that 4 different vets couldn't diagnose after spending thousands of dollars. They were trying to schedule the date for me to euthanize him. In a last ditch effort, I went to someone that was a holistic vet, that all the other vets said was a quack. (Ironic the wording bc it's a lot of what I'm hearing here from a doctor and others). Anyhow, that quack saved my horse when they couldn't and in 6 weeks he was back 100%!
I will take holistic and non modern medicine all day long, I watched modern medicine kill my healthy 62 year old father last year. I grew up in the medical industry with dr's and pharmacist and I know how they generally work. But that's neither here or there. Thanks again for stating you EXPERIENCE over just an uneducated opinion.
As for the vet, you would prob be surprised bc some of the best in the industry, including a couple nfr gals, use this clinic and vet often. I have also come to find out that Scamper received a ozone treatment before every run. That wasn't out of Charmaynes mouth, but from a friend that hauled with her. Take it as you wish.
Explain to us exactly what that "ozone treatment" consisted of. Tell us what is administered and how.
I hope a lot of people take note, because this thread is very educational and it illustrates a lot of key maneuvers the quacks will pull on order to sway people. First, they bring up their product in a forum. Often times, with a little probing, it can be shown that they actually profit somehow from the promotion (ie: follow the money)
You challenge their premise.....they tell people to do their "research" even though they wouldn't know real research if they saw it. They scurry about for a "reference" that purports to be loaded with "scientific evidence", but with a little effort you can easily refute that as well. Then they attack western medicine and use a tool that cannot be refuted: the anecdote.
The anecdote comes in various forms, such as a friend or relative who died as a result of the failure of western medicine, or a rumor that many successful people owe their success to the quackery. The more I see these things, the more I am inclined to write a book someday!
Anyway, please answer two questions:
Do you profit in any way from the sale of ozone therapy?
How did Charmayne treat Scamper with ozone? Was it inhaled? Was it injected into an oriface? A vein?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | AfleetEquine - 2014-11-19 11:55 AM
Only if I bag wounds.
But with most of my therapies if they don't notice a difference I don't charge.
Ahhhh, so you do sell it then?
As I expected.....follow the money.
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-11-19 1:02 PM
AfleetEquine - 2014-11-19 11:55 AM
Only if I bag wounds.
But with most of my therapies if they don't notice a difference I don't charge.
Ahhhh, so you do sell it then?
As I expected.....follow the money.
Nuff said.
And you lose money to ozone. Nuff said. | |
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| HotbearLVR - 2014-11-19 1:00 PM
bris2125 - 2014-11-19 11:05 AM
Thank you for your reply since you do have experience with it. I had a horse on his death bed, that 4 different vets couldn't diagnose after spending thousands of dollars. They were trying to schedule the date for me to euthanize him. In a last ditch effort, I went to someone that was a holistic vet, that all the other vets said was a quack. (Ironic the wording bc it's a lot of what I'm hearing here from a doctor and others). Anyhow, that quack saved my horse when they couldn't and in 6 weeks he was back 100%!
I will take holistic and non modern medicine all day long, I watched modern medicine kill my healthy 62 year old father last year. I grew up in the medical industry with dr's and pharmacist and I know how they generally work. But that's neither here or there. Thanks again for stating you EXPERIENCE over just an uneducated opinion.
As for the vet, you would prob be surprised bc some of the best in the industry, including a couple nfr gals, use this clinic and vet often. I have also come to find out that Scamper received a ozone treatment before every run. That wasn't out of Charmaynes mouth, but from a friend that hauled with her. Take it as you wish.
Explain to us exactly what that "ozone treatment" consisted of. Tell us what is administered and how.
I hope a lot of people take note, because this thread is very educational and it illustrates a lot of key maneuvers the quacks will pull on order to sway people. First, they bring up their product in a forum. Often times, with a little probing, it can be shown that they actually profit somehow from the promotion (ie: follow the money )
You challenge their premise.....they tell people to do their "research" even though they wouldn't know real research if they saw it. They scurry about for a "reference" that purports to be loaded with "scientific evidence", but with a little effort you can easily refute that as well. Then they attack western medicine and use a tool that cannot be refuted: the anecdote.
The anecdote comes in various forms, such as a friend or relative who died as a result of the failure of western medicine, or a rumor that many successful people owe their success to the quackery. The more I see these things, the more I am inclined to write a book someday!
Anyway, please answer two questions:
Do you profit in any way from the sale of ozone therapy?
How did Charmayne treat Scamper with ozone? Was it inhaled? Was it injected into an oriface? A vein?
This girl is in Texas… please do tell me how I benefit from someone in Texas doing Ozone?
Also, if it doesn't work, you get your money back … so tell me again- since you state it doesn't work - how I make money? | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I have been working on a cure/remedy of my own, actually. I am almost ready to market it and promote it. It is all holistic and natural. All you need is one treatment and I guarantee it will cure 99% of people with the following:
Colds
bronchitis
Sinusitis
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| I expected that exact response. If I knew what exactly ozone therapy consisted of, I wouldn't have created a post asking for people with experience to share their stories, good or bad. The ones that have done it both have good things to say. The only ones calling it quackery or saying it's this or it's that, are the ones who have no experience with it. It may be quackery for all I know, I am very qualified in knowing how to do research and developing my own opinion on what I believe it will or won't do, but regardless of the research I do, I still have no personal experience with it.
Anectdote, really? Ask around doctor..... how many people are searching from dr to dr to diagnose the problem no one can figure out. Everyone is sick or "just doesn't feel good" or knows several people that feel this way. Yet our doctors just prescribe them something to treat the symptoms instead of finding the problem. Then that drug has a side effect that they need another prescription for and so the cycle begins. You are right though, follow the money. Do you make $ off those scripts you write for those drugs that they really may not need. Absolutely. But if you fix the problem, they won't come back because they will be well, so let's keep them coming back. Follow the money. Cancer and chemo, huge money maker! Does it help some people, absolutely. Are there other options, absolutely.
So to answer your questions, I absolutely have no ties or reimbursement of any kind from ozone therapy. If I did, I'd tell you where to go to get it for those wanting it. I wanted to know the price range others had paid to see where it falls and if I'm willing to try it because there is no proof that it will work. But for the right $ I'm willing to try especially if the results from people that have used it were successful.
I do agree there is a ton of quackery out there and everyone is looking for a quick fix. But it's up to the individual to distinguish between quackery or legit and someone that has no experience with it can't make a accurate decision in my opinion.
Secondly, she veined it from what I was told.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | What do you mean she "veined" it? How does one go about injecting ozone into one's veins? Is this ozone in liquid form? Can you take it orally?
Is it injected into the veins as a gas? | |
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| Again, I don't know. I wasn't there, nor do I know exactly how it works. This is the best info if have found that is short enough to post that is still detain in explaining the oxygen atoms and how to administer it.
Ozone and other oxygen therapies have been used for over 100 years around the world for human and animal healing. These therapies continue to gain popularity, as scientists learn about the health benefits of increased oxygen in the body. Currently, ozone therapy and hyperbaric treatments, which bring easily soluble oxygen to target tissues, are being proven effective for treating viruses, fungi and bacteria, and for general health improvement anytime there is inflammation and damaged tissue. In addition to medical uses, ozone is a great disinfectant used for livestock water tanks, cattle embryo transfer(tt), swimming pools, spas and the water treatment systems of over 2,000 municipalities around the world.
How it works
Ozone contains three oxygen atoms, which react in the tissue as it breaks down to ordinary oxygen (O2) and a reactive singlet oxygen molecule that can combine with chemicals and other molecules. Free from side effects, this is an extremely safe therapy that works in a number of ways by:
1. Decreasing inflammation. When you have inflammation, swelling, bruising, infection, cancer and trauma to the tissue, there are higher amounts of carbon dioxide within the tissue. This increase of carbon dioxide contributes to inflammation and pain. Increasing the amount of oxygen delivered to the tissue in the form of reactive ozone decreases inflammation, pain and swelling, and helps increase healing.
2. Activating the immune system. Ozone therapy has also been shown to activate the immune system by stimulating cytokine production. Cytokines are “messenger cells”, such as interferons and interleukins, which “set off a cascade reaction of positive changes throughout the immune system.”(t). Ozone also promotes the production of glutathione peroxidase, catalase, reductase and super-oxide dismutase, the enzymes forming the cell wall coating; thereby enhancing cellular immunity. 3. Inactivating bacteria, viruses, fungi, yeast and protozoa. Healthy cells are surrounded by an enzyme coating, which ozone does not penetrate, but bacteria and viruses have no such coatings. Ozone therapy disrupts the integrity of the bacterial cell envelope through oxidation of the phospholipids and lipoproteins (peroxidation). In viruses, this peroxidation disrupts the reproductive cycle and damages the viral capsid. In fungi, ozone inhibits cell growth. Consider chronic otitis, which often has multiple organisms as primary or secondary invaders; this explains the efficacy of ozone treatment.
Administration options
Since ozone helps with the healing of any problem, it can be added to any treatment protocol.
1. Percolate into saline fluids to be used as a flush (decreases inflammation and pain) to wounds, bladder, rectum, ear, nose, mouth; enema; IV or SQ fluids to be absorbed through the capillaries of the subcutaneous tissue.
2. Percolate through olive oil with or without essential oils for the skin.
3. As a gas via a catheter, internally, or by sealing a wounded area in a bag (old fluid bags work well). It will be absorbed through the caudal rectal vein.
4. Injected as a gas into joints with a prolotherapy injection (prolozone). Human study1 showed efficacy in pain relief for many conditions.
An added technique using ozone is Biophotonic Blood Therapy (BBT), in which blood is infused with ozone, exposed to ultraviolet light in a crystal cuvette, and then given back to the patient. Also called Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, it has been used worldwide for over 50 years for an array of medical conditions. It may be more effective than mere ozone for stimulating cytokines and activating the mitochondria in each cell to strengthen an animal’s immune system.
Ozone preparation
Oxygen as a single molecule is highly unstable and exists for only microseconds in nature. However, when two oxygen atoms unite to share electrons, they form an oxygen molecule, referred to as O2. This molecule is very stable, and comprises the form of oxygen found in the atmosphere. To create ozone, pure surgical oxygen (ordinary air cannot be used as it has 20% nitrogen which would be converted to nitrous oxide and nitric oxide, both highly toxic) is flowed through a glass tube (do not use models with plastic tubing). A low voltage electrical spark is then applied through the outside of the tube. This briefly splits the paired oxygen atoms, most of which reform into pairs within microseconds. A small percentage of the individual oxygen atoms form triplets – ozone (O3). The ozone produced exists in a very active form for about 30 minutes before breaking down (dismutating) into two atoms of oxygen, which are very easily absorbed into the cells, by giving up one atom of singlet oxygen. Ozone will dismutate at a rate of 50% every 45 minutes in glass, and every 30 minutes in plastic. Therefore the ozone cannot be stored and used later.
Uses are many and varied
Any time there are infections or inflammation, tissue damage or abnormal cellular proliferation, ozone can be use to support treatments, conventional or holistic. A few examples are:
1. Skin – wounds, especially degloving ones and deep abrasions; hot spots; pyodermas; allergic dermatitis; abscesses
2. Pain relief
3. Head trauma, spinal cord inflammation–ozone and oxygen go through the blood/brain barrier so it is an excellent way to aid treatment of any neurological issue
4. Chronic and acute Lyme disease
5. Mouth–stomatitis, gingivitis, abscesses; ozone therapy is ADA-approved for dental abscesses
6. Cancer and autoimmune problems
7. Ears – chronic and acute otitis from bacteria or yeast; aural hematomas
8. Eyes – infections and allergic reactions
9. Upper respiratory ailments
10. Potentiates acupuncture, homeopathy and chiropractic treatments as it brings more needed oxygen to the body
11. GI tract – constipation, diarrhea, IBS (decreases inflammation)
12. Equine infectious anemia
Integrating ozone into your veterinary clinic protocols gives you a wonderful opportunity to use something very natural and sustainable that can reduce and possibly prevent the overuse of antibiotics and drugs. Technicians can administer ozone in most of its applications. As a holistic integrative veterinarian, I think it potentiates some of the other natural modalities I use, such as acupuncture, homeopathy, herbs and chiropractic. Antibiotics are also more effective with ozone as an adjunct. It is also a practice builder, since clients are searching for supportive ways to help their pets. With training, pet owners can get an ozone unit and administer it in a variety of ways themselves. Because ozone is antiviral, it should be a must for any animal shelter that deals with a lot of infectious viruses.
A veterinary certification course is now offered by the American Academy of Ozonotherapy AAOT (aaot.us).You can also contact veterinarians using ozone therapy for their own experiences and case reports at the AHVMA (ahvma.org).
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Location: ND | Dr. Mercola will be proud..... | |
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Location: ND | but i'm quite curious at this point....
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | bris2125 - 2014-11-19 12:52 PM
Again, I don't know. I wasn't there, nor do I know exactly how it works. This is the best info if have found that is short enough to post that is still detain in explaining the oxygen atoms and how to administer it.
Ozone and other oxygen therapies have been used for over 100 years around the world for human and animal healing. These therapies continue to gain popularity, as scientists learn about the health benefits of increased oxygen in the body. Currently, ozone therapy and hyperbaric treatments, which bring easily soluble oxygen to target tissues, are being proven effective for treating viruses, fungi and bacteria, and for general health improvement anytime there is inflammation and damaged tissue. In addition to medical uses, ozone is a great disinfectant used for livestock water tanks, cattle embryo transfer(tt), swimming pools, spas and the water treatment systems of over 2,000 municipalities around the world.
How it works
Ozone contains three oxygen atoms, which react in the tissue as it breaks down to ordinary oxygen (O2) and a reactive singlet oxygen molecule that can combine with chemicals and other molecules. Free from side effects, this is an extremely safe therapy that works in a number of ways by:
1. Decreasing inflammation. When you have inflammation, swelling, bruising, infection, cancer and trauma to the tissue, there are higher amounts of carbon dioxide within the tissue. This increase of carbon dioxide contributes to inflammation and pain. Increasing the amount of oxygen delivered to the tissue in the form of reactive ozone decreases inflammation, pain and swelling, and helps increase healing.
2. Activating the immune system. Ozone therapy has also been shown to activate the immune system by stimulating cytokine production. Cytokines are “messenger cells”, such as interferons and interleukins, which “set off a cascade reaction of positive changes throughout the immune system.”(t). Ozone also promotes the production of glutathione peroxidase, catalase, reductase and super-oxide dismutase, the enzymes forming the cell wall coating; thereby enhancing cellular immunity. 3. Inactivating bacteria, viruses, fungi, yeast and protozoa. Healthy cells are surrounded by an enzyme coating, which ozone does not penetrate, but bacteria and viruses have no such coatings. Ozone therapy disrupts the integrity of the bacterial cell envelope through oxidation of the phospholipids and lipoproteins (peroxidation). In viruses, this peroxidation disrupts the reproductive cycle and damages the viral capsid. In fungi, ozone inhibits cell growth. Consider chronic otitis, which often has multiple organisms as primary or secondary invaders; this explains the efficacy of ozone treatment.
Administration options
Since ozone helps with the healing of any problem, it can be added to any treatment protocol.
1. Percolate into saline fluids to be used as a flush (decreases inflammation and pain) to wounds, bladder, rectum, ear, nose, mouth; enema; IV or SQ fluids to be absorbed through the capillaries of the subcutaneous tissue.
2. Percolate through olive oil with or without essential oils for the skin.
3. As a gas via a catheter, internally, or by sealing a wounded area in a bag (old fluid bags work well). It will be absorbed through the caudal rectal vein.
4. Injected as a gas into joints with a prolotherapy injection (prolozone). Human study1 showed efficacy in pain relief for many conditions.
An added technique using ozone is Biophotonic Blood Therapy (BBT), in which blood is infused with ozone, exposed to ultraviolet light in a crystal cuvette, and then given back to the patient. Also called Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation, it has been used worldwide for over 50 years for an array of medical conditions. It may be more effective than mere ozone for stimulating cytokines and activating the mitochondria in each cell to strengthen an animal’s immune system.
Ozone preparation
Oxygen as a single molecule is highly unstable and exists for only microseconds in nature. However, when two oxygen atoms unite to share electrons, they form an oxygen molecule, referred to as O2. This molecule is very stable, and comprises the form of oxygen found in the atmosphere. To create ozone, pure surgical oxygen (ordinary air cannot be used as it has 20% nitrogen which would be converted to nitrous oxide and nitric oxide, both highly toxic) is flowed through a glass tube (do not use models with plastic tubing). A low voltage electrical spark is then applied through the outside of the tube. This briefly splits the paired oxygen atoms, most of which reform into pairs within microseconds. A small percentage of the individual oxygen atoms form triplets – ozone (O3). The ozone produced exists in a very active form for about 30 minutes before breaking down (dismutating) into two atoms of oxygen, which are very easily absorbed into the cells, by giving up one atom of singlet oxygen. Ozone will dismutate at a rate of 50% every 45 minutes in glass, and every 30 minutes in plastic. Therefore the ozone cannot be stored and used later.
Uses are many and varied
Any time there are infections or inflammation, tissue damage or abnormal cellular proliferation, ozone can be use to support treatments, conventional or holistic. A few examples are:
1. Skin – wounds, especially degloving ones and deep abrasions; hot spots; pyodermas; allergic dermatitis; abscesses
2. Pain relief
3. Head trauma, spinal cord inflammation–ozone and oxygen go through the blood/brain barrier so it is an excellent way to aid treatment of any neurological issue
4. Chronic and acute Lyme disease
5. Mouth–stomatitis, gingivitis, abscesses; ozone therapy is ADA-approved for dental abscesses
6. Cancer and autoimmune problems
7. Ears – chronic and acute otitis from bacteria or yeast; aural hematomas
8. Eyes – infections and allergic reactions
9. Upper respiratory ailments
10. Potentiates acupuncture, homeopathy and chiropractic treatments as it brings more needed oxygen to the body
11. GI tract – constipation, diarrhea, IBS (decreases inflammation)
12. Equine infectious anemia
Integrating ozone into your veterinary clinic protocols gives you a wonderful opportunity to use something very natural and sustainable that can reduce and possibly prevent the overuse of antibiotics and drugs. Technicians can administer ozone in most of its applications. As a holistic integrative veterinarian, I think it potentiates some of the other natural modalities I use, such as acupuncture, homeopathy, herbs and chiropractic. Antibiotics are also more effective with ozone as an adjunct. It is also a practice builder, since clients are searching for supportive ways to help their pets. With training, pet owners can get an ozone unit and administer it in a variety of ways themselves. Because ozone is antiviral, it should be a must for any animal shelter that deals with a lot of infectious viruses.
A veterinary certification course is now offered by the American Academy of Ozonotherapy AAOT (aaot.us).You can also contact veterinarians using ozone therapy for their own experiences and case reports at the AHVMA (ahvma.org).
Please, as a simple matter of courtesy, if for no other reason, when you cut and paste something, identify your source.
This is a very good thread, and I hope people are educated by it. It all sounds so scientific and all. It is rich in quackery that is cleverly veiled and annointed with fancy pseudonyms. It sounds so impressive and compelling.
Hell, even I was tempted to give it a try. It sounds like it cures everything.
This is a quack's wet dream.
Will ozone cure my baldness? If I give myself a dose of ozone IV, will it boost my immune system? In all seriousness, one thing for sure is if I got a dose of this wonderful natural cure I would never have to worry about being sick again. | |
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Location: Midwest | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 1:05 PM but i'm quite curious at this point....
how exactly do you give ozone IV????
I'm guessing the blood method... Blood is drawn, exposed to ozone mix, and dropped back in
i don't see how one could IV a gas
unless they are talking about IV peroxide???
You are right- I have no experience with this method, and that is because it sounds potentially dangerous. I asked for an explanation on the first page and was ignored. | |
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| Lmao, I have come to believe you are the Doctor of Quackery. I didn't realize that a DVM came with a MD. Lucky you.
For those that actually have experience with this, thank you for your input.
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Location: ND | barrelracr131 - 2014-11-19 1:16 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 1:05 PM but i'm quite curious at this point....
how exactly do you give ozone IV???? I'm guessing the blood method... Blood is drawn, exposed to ozone mix, and dropped back in
i don't see how one could IV a gas
unless they are talking about IV peroxide???
You are right- I have no experience with this method, and that is because it sounds potentially dangerous. I asked for an explanation on the first page and was ignored.
i don't want an opinion from a damn scientist that doesn't know shit!!!!!!!!!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | bris2125 - 2014-11-19 1:20 PM
Lmao, I have come to believe you are the Doctor of Quackery. I didn't realize that a DVM came with a MD. Lucky you.
For those that actually have experience with this, thank you for your input.
Did you share the name of this vet? I may have missed it. | |
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Location: ND | honestly, in my opinion, the concept that ozone does anything remotely like what has been described in this (outside of one comment), is frankly, idiotic......jmo though | |
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Location: lone star state | I have to respond with my experience since it has been stated that those against ozone therapy have never used it. I had a very sick 400# steer- pneumonia. A vet gave him iv medical grade ozone gas via iv. Within 10 minutes steer was dead!
A very dear friend had hodgkins cancer. Friend wanted to try holistic therapy instead of traditional chemo. Friend underwent 6 months of ozone treatment which caused the cancer to increase exponentially. Doctors explained that while ozone may increase good cells and cell activity it also increases the bad cells and cell activity.
I currently have a horse being treated for epm. Vet who endorses ozone has repeatedly asked to treat my horse free of charge just to show me that ozone therapy works. The vet treating my horse for epm has instucted me not to treat with ozone since ozone may stimulate the protazoa to increase production as well. | |
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Location: ND | firewaterfuelsme - 2014-11-19 1:54 PM I have to respond with my experience since it has been stated that those against ozone therapy have never used it. I had a very sick 400# steer- pneumonia. A vet gave him iv medical grade ozone gas via iv. Within 10 minutes steer was dead! A very dear friend had hodgkins cancer. Friend wanted to try holistic therapy instead of traditional chemo. Friend underwent 6 months of ozone treatment which caused the cancer to increase exponentially. Doctors explained that while ozone may increase good cells and cell activity it also increases the bad cells and cell activity. I currently have a horse being treated for epm. Vet who endorses ozone has repeatedly asked to treat my horse free of charge just to show me that ozone therapy works. The vet treating my horse for epm has instucted me not to treat with ozone since ozone may stimulate the protazoa to increase production as well.
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