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Location: Kansas and loving it | If I remember correctly, all of the Smart Little Lena clones went out of the country. No cutting clone ccould make it. Now waiting to see if they can breed success.
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| astreakinchic - 2014-11-19 7:49 PM
Herbie - 2014-11-19 4:13 PM
There was a Clayton colt that ran at the BFA this past year I think and I know our BB Dash4KJ has a goreous son out of her good Dash Ta Fame mare.
He was Jud's and Janae Massey rode him. Named Scamper to Dat cash he got 7th in the superstakes at OKC. Anyone heard from him since?
Bumping to know if anyone has seen Scamper to Dat Cash? |
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| 3canstorun - 2014-11-21 7:03 AM
Mighty Broke - 2014-11-20 9:41 AM This is STRICTLY a HYPOTHETICAL question. Say Frenchman's Guy went sterile and they collected off of one of the clones and shipped it as Frenchman's Guy semen---would the reulting foal pass the AQHA DNA Test as being by Frenchman's Guy ?????? Again, I am not suspecting that this has happened---just had me wondering.
At this point in time - yes the AQHA can't tell a difference with the tests they use.
You could test Mtdna... Many people use this to trace their family back to its origins |
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| Mighty Broke - 2014-11-20 8:41 AM
This is STRICTLY a HYPOTHETICAL question. Say Frenchman's Guy went sterile and they collected off of one of the clones and shipped it as Frenchman's Guy semen---would the reulting foal pass the AQHA DNA Test as being by Frenchman's Guy ?????? Again, I am not suspecting that this has happened---just had me wondering.
Yes. The genotype would be identical. |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | If I remember correctly I think there were 3 clones of Hot Shot but only one is still alive. Not sure how/why the other 2 died & I don't know if they said. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 9:55 PM i won't say that they necessarily have genetic traits from the recip mare but personality development has a big influence from the recip.....that's why you don't want to just grab some recip off the shelf...
Not necessarily. Most of our recip mares here have come out of the kill pen. The foals they raise generally act like their biological parents even though they are raised by something entirely different. The ones I've had and am now riding have the same personalities and quirks as their "real" dams do....and they've never even seen their real dams. |
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| rockinas - 2014-11-20 12:26 PM
dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 9:55 PM i won't say that they necessarily have genetic traits from the recip mare but personality development has a big influence from the recip.....that's why you don't want to just grab some recip off the shelf...
Not necessarily. Most of our recip mares here have come out of the kill pen. The foals they raise generally act like their biological parents even though they are raised by something entirely different. The ones I've had and am now riding have the same personalities and quirks as their "real" dams do....and they've never even seen their real dams.
Are you riding Lena's baby? Please give a fb update sometime or something! |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 11:39 AM rockinas - 2014-11-20 12:26 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 9:55 PM i won't say that they necessarily have genetic traits from the recip mare but personality development has a big influence from the recip.....that's why you don't want to just grab some recip off the shelf... Not necessarily. Most of our recip mares here have come out of the kill pen. The foals they raise generally act like their biological parents even though they are raised by something entirely different. The ones I've had and am now riding have the same personalities and quirks as their "real" dams do....and they've never even seen their real dams. Are you riding Lena's baby? Please give a fb update sometime or something!
Yes, I am! I put a video of her up a couple of days ago, loping through the barrels for her first time! It's public on my wall! :)
We've also got a 2 year old out of her coming up soon!
And 2 yearling fillies. They are by 2 different studs but they all act JUST like her!  |
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| I think some of you are confusing the surrogate recip mares who carry the pregnancy with the egg donor mares who provide the egg to be 'washed' and fertilized. Not always the same mare.
The mitochondrial DNA from the egg donor never expresses. It is in the nucleus of the cell and gets passed -unchanged and unexpressed - through the female line of all creatures.
Recip / surrogate mares may have some effect on the attitude/personality of the foal, as some behavior is learned. However, a lot of behavior is also genetic. Look at all the twins separated at birth who end up similar in personality. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Mighty Broke - 2014-11-20 6:41 AM This is STRICTLY a HYPOTHETICAL question. Say Frenchman's Guy went sterile and they collected off of one of the clones and shipped it as Frenchman's Guy semen---would the reulting foal pass the AQHA DNA Test as being by Frenchman's Guy ?????? Again, I am not suspecting that this has happened---just had me wondering.
There are tests where they can tell the difference between a clone the original horse by testing the MtDNA. AQHA's parentage verification tests are not sensitive enough to be able to tell the difference between a clone and the original. However, when the stallions clone contributes semen, any difference will be undetectable with current testing. Therefore all the foals by the clone will be the exact genotype of the donor horse. I heard all this when AQHA had a seminar webcast at their convention several years ago. There MAY have been changes in the testing since then.
I'm against cloning anything. People need to appreciate how rare these great horses are, but they need to let them go when their time comes. Try to make a new great horse instead.  |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | HorseMommyFiveO - 2014-11-20 11:50 AM I think some of you are confusing the surrogate recip mares who carry the pregnancy with the egg donor mares who provide the egg to be 'washed' and fertilized. Not always the same mare. The mitochondrial DNA from the egg donor never expresses. It is in the nucleus of the cell and gets passed -unchanged and unexpressed - through the female line of all creatures. Recip / surrogate mares may have some effect on the attitude/personality of the foal, as some behavior is learned. However, a lot of behavior is also genetic. Look at all the twins separated at birth who end up similar in personality.
I know the difference, I was just responding to the post regarding recip mares for ET. 
We do several ET every year and some of our recips are real skankers, but the foals have all ended up being very nice.
Even the ones out of the worst recip mares have been nice to deal with. There is something to be said about strong genetics. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | rockinas - 2014-11-20 11:49 AM astreakinchic - 2014-11-20 11:39 AM rockinas - 2014-11-20 12:26 PM dhdqhllc - 2014-11-19 9:55 PM i won't say that they necessarily have genetic traits from the recip mare but personality development has a big influence from the recip.....that's why you don't want to just grab some recip off the shelf... Not necessarily. Most of our recip mares here have come out of the kill pen. The foals they raise generally act like their biological parents even though they are raised by something entirely different. The ones I've had and am now riding have the same personalities and quirks as their "real" dams do....and they've never even seen their real dams. Are you riding Lena's baby? Please give a fb update sometime or something!
We've also got a 2 year old out of her coming up soon!
And 2 yearling fillies. They are by 2 different studs but they all act JUST like her!
I think us non-FB people would love to see Lena's babies!!  |
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Location: Kansas and loving it | Scamper To Dat Cash is supposed to run in the Buckeye in AZ in January. |
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Location: Northeast Nebraska | lindseylou2290 - 2014-11-19 6:54 PM GoGaited - 2014-11-19 4:22 PM I hope not. I am totally against cloning and the idea of them becoming registered stock disgusts me. Hey, they are not identical and do have traits from the recipient mare, so it's ALL BS. ummmmm .... Do tell what these traits are that supposedly come from the recip mare?
http://www.thehorse.com/articles/31832/recipient-mare-traits-passin...
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | rockette - 2014-11-20 1:06 PM Scamper To Dat Cash is supposed to run in the Buckeye in AZ in January.
In the derby? |
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| rockette - 2014-11-20 1:06 PM Scamper To Dat Cash is supposed to run in the Buckeye in AZ in January.
He did run in AZ. Didn't get anything done.
http://brn4d.com/2014-ClassicEquine/CE%20Results%20Futurity%20Average%202014.htm
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Good catch! I see the other Clayton baby ran there too. Glad to see Bo Hill and Jitterbugz there. I look for Famous Bugs and As Good As Nick Gets babies as well.
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the stats on the Scamper Clone were pretty good. It was in the top 20 in the average and made two solid runs |
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Location: Never in one place long | GoGaited - 2014-11-19 4:22 PM
I hope not. I am totally against cloning and the idea of them becoming registered stock disgusts me. Hey, they are not identical and do have traits from the recipient mare, so it's ALL BS.
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Location: Never in one place long | lindseylou2290 - 2014-11-19 6:54 PM
GoGaited - 2014-11-19 4:22 PM
I hope not. I am totally against cloning and the idea of them becoming registered stock disgusts me. Hey, they are not identical and do have traits from the recipient mare, so it's ALL BS.
ummmmm .... Do tell what these traits are that supposedly come from the recip mare?
I think she means personality and mannerisms... because they are raised from a recip so they learn things from them not their real mama. This has always concerned me regarding recip mares. |
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