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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | TXBO - 2014-11-20 8:15 AM
A little free physiological work might not be a bad idea.
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Location: Idaho | I think you need to change your perception of a 'win'. Option 3, having this all go away is a total win. Even if you should be successful in a jury trial, you will expend a lot more time and money and still have the civil suit to deal with. You have to remember that you are on trial here, even if you are found not guilty, you will not 'expose her lies'. Going forth and fighting the civil suit would also be another waste of time and money and likely result in a similar settlement somewhere down the road. Take the deal and make this all go away instead of continuing a fight that you can't really win. She will never believe you are right, time to heal up and move on. She won't really be getting what she wants, you won't really be getting what you want, but it will be over. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 8:34 AM
TXBO - 2014-11-20 8:15 AM
A little free physiological work might not be a bad idea.
What does that mean?
I think this was written to be taken lightly … some of the threads about this serious situation have gone to the teasing side. |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | #3 is my counter offer! I am asking my attorney to negotiate that deal. If they don't go for #3 then I am leaning going to trial. |
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Hungarian Midget Woman
Location: Midwest | I would do everything to avoid going to trial. It will be expensive and unpredictable. You seem to have a good life- not something I would be willing to risk just to get back at someone or prove their character. People like that get found out eventually anyway. |
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| barrelracr131 - 2014-11-20 8:51 AM
I would do everything to avoid going to trial. It will be expensive and unpredictable. You seem to have a good life- not something I would be willing to risk just to get back at someone or prove their character. People like that get found out eventually anyway.
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Location: Florida | I would avoid anything that requires probation or a restraining order. More arrests are for violating probation than there are for the orgional crimes. I met someone who went into an Olive Garden and was seated on one side of the resturant, not knowing his ex was on the other side and she had him thrown in jail for it.
Edited by Vickie 2014-11-20 9:00 AM
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Location: SE KS | I didn't read any further than the 1st page.
However, My husbands EX-Wife claimed he molested their daughter, the daughter would never say "dad did it", so their solution was a Psycho sexual evaluation. Which my husband & our attorney were against. However, part of that evaluation was a polygraph test. (I don't remember how, what or why, but he did the polygraph test) Also, the Ex wife had to take one too. (this was almost 20 years ago) SHE failed the polygraph & my husband PASSED it. The ex wife & her lawyer, became quite negiotiable after that & my husband no longer needed to be evaluated!!!
Don't know if a polygraph would help in your case or not.
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| Proving you're right might not be worth what you're willing to risk.... keep your head down, do what you have to do for it to be taken off your record and leave her to deal with her lies on her own. |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Her basic story is that she was my employ (Spanish translation and helping mix omeprazole) and that we never had any relationship of any kind. That I wanted more of a relationship.
Her testimony under oath:
1. She worked for me for an hourly wage.
Actual truth she worked for me 4-8 hours per month.
2. She said she translated for me.
Actual truth she never translated for me once; however she did go with me on sales calls. Clients will testify of that.
3. She said I hired her to "clean the horses"
Actual truth she helped me hose off my partnership horse after a speed work. See my FB page May 19-Video.
4. She said she never came to my home when not working.
Truth I have neighbors that have signed affidavits and will testify she and her car were at my house morning, noon, and night and sometimes all night. See my FB page May 22 where I made dutch oven dinner for her and her 2 children. My landlord was an eye witness. My rommate was and eye witness and his cousin and friend.
5. She said we never did fireworks together, but I gave her some.
Truth January 30 Chinese New Years it was the first time she introduced me to her children. We did a couple thousand $$$ of fireworks and the police and fire department didn't know it was legal to do fireworks and they were dispatched to the scene. Police wouldn't give me a report but fire marshall gave me a report documenting it. See my FB page February 3 Chinese Lantern.
6. She said she didn't ask me to go dance but she said her friend invited me.
Truth her is a conversation about asking me to go dancing. FB private messages. Whst are u doing tomorrow night
Nothing planned
Well it deoend how u feel. I want to go to the latino night. Just wondering if you wanted to go
I ment it depend how I feel
Sure, I am not a good dancer. Jajajajaja
entiendo
I'll let you know
OK, where is it?
You will be ok
Downtown provo
What is th ename of it?
Salsa chocolate
I think I went there once to see people dance. I was taking dance lessons 1 1/2 years ago
There?
No my clients daughter in SLC
They teach a lesson from 9 to 10 then its open
she was teaching me at their house. I have a problem with no rythmn
U showed me the video
Oh yeah, Jajajajajja
7. She said we never held hands, kissed or had ?????
Truth My landlord, roommate, his cousin, and his friend witnessed things.
8. She said we didn't talk on the phone.
Truth we talked 3-4 hours a month. Verified by Verizon.
We texted about 850 back and forth per 3-4 weeks. Verified by Verizon.
9. She said she saw me in Sports Authority and became afraid for her and her boyfriends safety. June 21.
Truth is she asked me in a text message where I was, and I responded. Verified by Verizon. 36 text messages that day. She said she never came to my house but on June 22 she came to my house at 945 at night and we talked for 2 1/2 hours about our relationship and her new boyfriend. That day we had 49 text messages back and forth. This is after she testified that she was afraid.
10. She was asked about Tums that she bought and brought to my house.
Truth is she was grasping at straws and tried to tie the Tums and omeprazole and calcium carbonate together, hahaha. She had eaten all my Tums.
That is just a sample of her testimony.
I have a FB private message where she talked to her friend about the topic of marriage with me.
I have an eye witness where she refers to me as her Boss, friend, swim coach, lover, dance student ect in a private message. Also the same eye witness where she calls me her "Platonic Lover" Which doesn't make sense.
Here is a conversation between use while I am in South America in May.
. Leaving for Venuzuela tomrrow. Be in Bogota Saturday afternoon. Fly out Sunday morning. Should I bring you Coca leaves to chew? Jajajajaja Cocaine tree growing here where I stay, LOL
May 28th, 6:19pm
I don't think that will be a good Idea, I don't want to have to go and do noches locas (Slang for sex in Spanish) to some jail in Colombia jajajaja JK. I didn't go to the gym this morning because graduations, so Im getting ready to got run, then Zumba and then swimming drills. I hope you day has been nice so far, you take care, Besos. (Kisses in Spanish)
See my FB page June 6. That is the day she gets her US citizenship.
Posted swim lessons on FB. I spent hours teaching her how to swim at the gym and witnessed by many. I took her shopping for swim fins, swimming suit, ordered swin hand paddles. Spent hours watching a swim DVD from my swim coach in Australia at my house. She wanted to learn to swim so she could do a triathlon.
She posts likes on many subjects on my FB. When I was going through the depression stage after June 22 I deleted many on the things on FB that she was posted in until I came to my senses and realized I needed to save evidence.
Oh yeah the Red White and blue blanket.
Edited by Douglas J Gordon 2014-11-20 9:55 AM
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| Doug, I didn't read all of that, but you're fixating on how she wronged you, how you're innocent, etc....
You anger alone seems like you are angry enough to stalk someone. You need to back off. You need to keep a low profile and stay far away from her or any other woman for a while. If I was sitting on a jury for your case, I would think that you might just be crazy enough to stalk someone.
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| Also, block her on Facebook and don't go back to look at anything she posts. Cut all ties and step away. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Doug - seriously, this is painful to witness. Why are you posting this stuff?
I honestly don't understand. What do you hope to accomplish by airing this out on here? You have always been nice to me, so this is an honest question. I don't see how this is helpful to you. You seem like a pretty confident guy and very capable of making your own decisions, and obviously, you have ample documentation to support your version of things. So....what is your goal? Good luck buddy. |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:00 AM Also, block her on Facebook and don't go back to look at anything she posts. Cut all ties and step away.
I did! I was just posting some samples of her lying testimony! |
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Location: I can see the end of the world from here! | I'm kinda confused & alarmed at how this thread shows 'fear' of the courts...those are OUR courts, there to give us the opportunity to face our accusers and/or accuse someone of an absolute crime. With proof.
It's become a game of who is the better 'actor', and this includes the lawyers...all the 'players'. What a mockery our system has become.
What happened to us? Why don't we trust the system? What can we do to fix it?
Aside from that we've become a nation of people who support laws against what we 'might' do...where no crime has been committed...this is dangerous!
Douglas, you sure don't have to answer this here...just ask yourself:
Are you accused of a 'crime'? Of hurting someone...are you a stalker? How old are you & is this your first 'offense'? It's unfortunate that our character is put on trial...without a jury of our 'peers', those who know us personally & can attest to our character & intent because they know us! That is the promise the Constitution protects...you must, however, assert that right.
The folks of BHW are not your 'peers'. We don't really know you. I think you've been given some good & honest advice...so work on it! Be the better 'actor' if you must. Play the game to win. Making a plea is the same thing as admitting guilt. Taking the easy way.
I'm very sorry that you're going through this...our system requires 'victims' to continue to justify the existence of various 'agencies', it also requires so-called perpetrators who are 'miraculously cured' by the 'system'...it's a game.
Whatever you decide...I hope you win!
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | HotbearLVR - 2014-11-20 10:03 AM Doug - seriously, this is painful to witness. Why are you posting this stuff? I honestly don't understand. What do you hope to accomplish by airing this out on here? You have always been nice to me, so this is an honest question. I don't see how this is helpful to you. You seem like a pretty confident guy and very capable of making your own decisions, and obviously, you have ample documentation to support your version of things. So....what is your goal? Good luck buddy.
Thanks H. I just wanted womens perspective on the decision I have to make and how maybe women jurrors would look at this case. |
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| Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 10:03 AM
SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:00 AM Also, block her on Facebook and don't go back to look at anything she posts. Cut all ties and step away.
I did! I was just posting some samples of her lying testimony!
Are you trying to convince us or yourself that you aren't guilty? Because, I believed you 4 weeks ago, now I'm not so sure.
And, I'm not being mean. I'm just calling it like I see it. You want advice. We're giving it and you keep coming back with more crazy stuff. |
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BHW's Lance Armstrong
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:08 AM Douglas J Gordon - 2014-11-20 10:03 AM SCORCHOLVR - 2014-11-20 10:00 AM Also, block her on Facebook and don't go back to look at anything she posts. Cut all ties and step away. I did! I was just posting some samples of her lying testimony! Are you trying to convince us or yourself that you aren't guilty? Because, I believed you 4 weeks ago, now I'm not so sure. And, I'm not being mean. I'm just calling it like I see it. You want advice. We're giving it and you keep coming back with more crazy stuff.
I was just answering questions and suspitions that some had and giving evidence to show where i was coming from. I am a very easy going person at times but then I am a very high strung person at times. When and if a person attacks me or my family or a friend Hell or high water I will prove them wrong. |
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Location: Oz, Kansas | I work for a county attorney's office & have sat through many jury trials & have been baffled on more than one occasion on things that they got hung up on. I would not take this to a jury but if you feel it is necessary request a bench trial & the judge makes the final decision. In Kansas if you enter into a diversion contract you have to admit your guilt & take responsibility for your actions on the application before being approved. Once approved you are signing over any rights to a trial & if you violate the terms of diversion the Judge will find you guilty & the diversion will be revoked. Again, I don't know much about your situation but I would be hesitant taking this to a jury trial. |
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| Do you see how obsessed you are with this case? It's almost easy to believe that you would be obsessed enough to stalk someone. You aren't doing yourself any favors by continuing to rehash every detail of your relationship with her. |
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