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| Slick by a thousand . His foals are out there kicking it. No comparison. | |
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Location: So. California | What a lucky gal, you get to choose between two very nice stallions! I would call both stallion owners and have a chat. Have a list of discussion points and questions written own so you don't forget anything important. Gosh, what a tough decision. (I wish I had your problem... LOL) | |
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| peagle - 2014-12-27 12:46 PM Here is something to think about? Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible. With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick. It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you. It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily. My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015. Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so?
I agree with this..... I would choose the stallion that can run at the NFR level. Not saying Ima Firefighter isn't a nice stud, but if you want to run with the best you have to have one bred like the best. I don't believe that champions are random in this modern age, champions are chosen before they are born through the dam and sire they are born to. It is just as expensive to raise a colt from a high achieving stud as it is from a lesser achieving stud, I wouldn't over-analyze this to death, I'd just personally go with the more proven sire. | |
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| trickster j - 2015-03-27 12:22 AM peagle - 2014-12-27 12:46 PM Here is something to think about? Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible. With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick. It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you. It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily. My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015. Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so? I agree with this..... I would choose the stallion that can run at the NFR level. Not saying Ima Firefighter isn't a nice stud, but if you want to run with the best you have to have one bred like the best. I don't believe that champions are random in this modern age, champions are chosen before they are born through the dam and sire they are born to. It is just as expensive to raise a colt from a high achieving stud as it is from a lesser achieving stud, I wouldn't over-analyze this to death, I'd just personally go with the more proven sire.
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| Itsme - 2015-03-26 11:30 PM trickster j - 2015-03-27 12:22 AM peagle - 2014-12-27 12:46 PM Here is something to think about? Slick is the highest money earning equi-stat stallion EVER! Fastest time ever by a stallion at the NFR. He is one of the quietest, easiest to be around horses out there, YES i said horses, NOT just stallions. He is YOUNG, and has been successful at every level possible. With the idea of keeping his breeding fee affordable, everyone that wants to can breed to him. YES, the owners could have raised his fee to 4-5,000 and limited his book to 75, and he would have been booked full. But then us common folks would never have the chance to breed to an outstanding individual like Slick. It all has to do with what your goals are, and what will compliment your mare. It isn't just about the stud, its the mare as well. If your mare would compliment a more explosive speed, with turn then Slick would be your choice. If you are looking for a more turny style, to compliment a mare that might have plenty of speed, and you don't care about what a stallion has won in earnings- then imafirefighter may be better for you. It all depends on what you are looking for and what you are after. All stallions bring something to the table, and everyone has a choice. Does it mean one is better than the other, not necessarily. My choice is clear. NFR Qualifier, Black, and a Champion at every level. A true athlete and competitor with a heart bigger than anything I have ever seen. At an extremely affordable rate, with a top notch ranch that stands and promotes him. Backed by his disposition, incredible look, structural soundness, and ability to perform; that is why I have two daughters of Dash ta Fame in foal to him for 2015. Will his babies be worth less because he bred an enormous amount of mares in 2014? By the calls and emails I get asking to price mine before they are born- I don't think so? I agree with this..... I would choose the stallion that can run at the NFR level. Not saying Ima Firefighter isn't a nice stud, but if you want to run with the best you have to have one bred like the best. I don't believe that champions are random in this modern age, champions are chosen before they are born through the dam and sire they are born to. It is just as expensive to raise a colt from a high achieving stud as it is from a lesser achieving stud, I wouldn't over-analyze this to death, I'd just personally go with the more proven sire. 100% disagree
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| Watched slick run all summer long in 2013, and I was very impressed! He's def gritty, and that's hard to find. Of course I'm a huge believer in breeding to talented mares too, I don't breed anything but the mares I've won on. :) I don't know that much about im a firefighter, other than his breeding and I thought it was nice, I haven't seen him produce many winners though. However I did breed my rodeo horse to frenchmans fabulous, Ive been super impressed with his babies, and I do have a Blazin Jetolena colt that is outstanding, I wish I could have bred my mare back to him but he was booked full. | |
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| Black Horse - 2014-12-12 12:46 PM
Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell.
FYI I don't believe slick is that big either, don't know his official measurement but he doesn't look over 15 hands to me | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:34 PM Slick by a thousand . His foals are out there kicking it. No comparison.
I dont know how that could be. He doesnt have any foals competing yet. | |
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:34 PM
Slick by a thousand . His foals are out there kicking it. No comparison.
not so much.
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Location: Hernando, Ms | Ima Firefighter I love him!!! Would LOVE a baby by him. Him and my mare would have a level headed baby. Love me some Buckskin babies. | |
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| Ima Firefighter - I saw him in person once and I have loved him ever since. I also prefer FWF over Designer Red, so it would be an easy decision for me. Oh, and Ima Firefighters foals ARE out there "kickin' it" - Vegas Firefighter was 8th in the Diamonds and Dirt futurity just to name one. | |
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Location: Kansas | tjac477 - 2015-03-26 10:34 PM
Slick by a thousand . His foals are out there kicking it. No comparison.
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:05 PM
Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,,
Booooo...Idiot!
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | luckygirl04 - 2015-03-27 2:10 AM Black Horse - 2014-12-12 12:46 PM Personally I'd breed to Slick. Ima Firefighter is smaller than I like, maybe 14.2-3 but it's been a long time since I've seen him in person. Slick has proven himself against the tougher competition and I think his foals will be worth more if you decide to sell. FYI I don't believe slick is that big either, don't know his official measurement but he doesn't look over 15 hands to me
We measured Ima Firefighter and he is 15 hands. and when he is in shape, on the scale he is 1179 lbs. | |
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Location: Ainsworth, NE | WrapN3MN - 2015-03-27 8:14 AM Ima Firefighter - I saw him in person once and I have loved him ever since. I also prefer FWF over Designer Red, so it would be an easy decision for me. Oh, and Ima Firefighters foals ARE out there "kickin' it" - Vegas Firefighter was 8th in the Diamonds and Dirt futurity just to name one.
IMA FIREFIGHTER has offspring that are WINNING!
in 2015 there have been TWO Ima Firefighters to compete.
~Joy Wargo and Vegas Firefighter ran in the 1D 5 of their 6 runs in the January futurities and placed in the average in 2 of the 3 weekends (one tipped barrel in 5 of 6 runs). She also ran a 15.9 in the Diamonds and Dirt futurity short round and placed 2nd in the short round. Plus she placed in the Average! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4o_DW7mFZs
~Then last weekend Megan White and Rare Firefighter won the 2D of their futurity in the first round, came back and made an even better run in the second round and placed in the top 10 of the 1D futurity average!
~ and I now know of 2 other futurity prospects that are expected to run this fall! I have seen videos of both of them and I am impressed! Both have clocked true 2D times as they are getting finished so by this fall, they will be ready to really rock!
in 2013 there was ONE Ima Firefighter that was entered and she won Futurity Money! (then had an unfortunate death early in 2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfiXsqslAM
in 2014 there were THREE Ima Firefighters entered in Futurities.
~ One I purchased from someone and he was SOOOO far behind but we entered him anyway and he was so close to winning $ in the Arizona Futurities in January. We then sold him to someone who didn't continue with the futurity options.
~ The other one I ran and he won 1D futurity money in the fall of 2014 and is now still working Great plus we have started roping steers on him.
~ The third I purchased as well (was one my cousin raised) in fall of 2013 and she got kicked here and couldn't be ridden the rest of 2013 and into early summer of 2014. After that, she came back great. I only entered her in 1 futurity that had a 2D sidepot because she was not ready to go and make that perfect winning 1D type run. But she did place in the 2D! And then I concentrated on getting her ready for my daughter. This January my 8 year old daughter teamed up with her in Arizona and they did AMAZING together! "Susie" as we call her is a cute paint mare. My cousin Susie bred her cool little paint mare to Ima Firefighter which is where she came from. And we are so glad that we have her because she takes care of my daughter! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_po6_qeqhOw
So, I have to say I am so VERY VERY proud of the performers that have so far ran. And if you consider the percentage of horses that are winning money compared to the total entered, that is 6 horses entered and 5 have won money.
And not to take anything away from Slick because he has proven that he is a true winner! And I will assume that he too will produce horses that go on to win. But right now, Ima Firefighter is already proving that his offspring can win! So, I honestly believe that either option you choose you will have a foal that will either be a very profitable selling option or one that you will be very successful with if you choose to keep it for yourself. | |
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| tjac477 - 2015-03-26 11:05 PM
Slick by a thousand, ......he's at the top of his game! My ima firefighter is a pure counterfeit bronc. Who knows why. If any one wants him cheap message me, he is really cute!,,
I don't think I would count him out just because of one baby..... You have to look at the dam side as well  | |
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Location: Kansas | Ima Firefighter all the way | |
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Location: Texas | I've posted on this thread a while back when it first came up..
But any who
I bred my mare to SBD last week. I am really excited about it.
I saw the Ima Firefighter baby run at the Diamonds and Dirt and was really impressed! I just think it boils down to what you want.
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| I have seen several counterfeit Designer Reds so on pedigree alone I would pick Ima Firefighter but I am breeding a mare to SBD this year and I hope this cross turns out nice. Who I would choose would depend if I was keeping the foal for myself or resale. SBD fee is high for him not to have any babies even riding yet IMO but Ima Firefighter is really reasonable and already proven he can produce. Just because a horse is great themselves doesn't mean they have the ability to pass that on to the offspring. | |
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| It's really unnecessary to tear one horse down to build another up. Different people get along with different types of horses. Build, temperament, attitude, background all play a part in what an individual person prefers. And thank goodness there is a great variety of horses out there to choose from, whether breeding for specific traits or buying a horse that possesses the traits you look for. Kumbayah, y'all. LOL! | |
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