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| LRQHS - 2014-12-23 1:04 PM I would just like to state that I am not half baked currently.......but, my friends are :)
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Location: Illinois | JRust - 2014-12-22 3:06 PM
She is cutting off coming OUT of the barrel???
Yes, she is cutting the barrel off coming out and my foot keeps knocking it over. |
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Location: Oklahoma | ShortyHorse11 - 2014-12-22 3:05 PM clover girl - 2014-12-22 3:01 PM After seeing the video, I think your pocket is your issue. You think less pocket?
Yes ma'am. The owner isn't giving her very much in the video you posted.
Less pocket, or let the mare pick her spot. Many of the oldies already knwo where they need to be. |
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Location: Illinois | Murphy - 2014-12-22 3:05 PM
clover girl - 2014-12-22 4:01 PM After seeing the video, I think your pocket is your issue. I agree.
Start at a slower speed with less of a pocket. She knows her job, you just have to put her in the right spot.
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Location: Illinois | clover girl - 2014-12-22 3:09 PM
ShortyHorse11 - 2014-12-22 3:05 PM clover girl - 2014-12-22 3:01 PM After seeing the video, I think your pocket is your issue. You think less pocket?
Less pocket, or let the mare pick her spot. Many of the oldies already knwo where they need to be.
OK! Thank you very much! I know it is always a learning curve with a new horse, just needed to see what I could fix. Guess I should just get out of her way and let her do her thing!
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Location: Choctaw, Oklahoma | Smaller pocket, try to push her past the barrel, don't sit too soon, and stay out of her mouth coming around the barrel. |
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Location: Montana | JRust - 2014-12-22 2:18 PM
Smaller pocket, try to push her past the barrel, don't sit too soon, and stay out of her mouth coming around the barrel.
Yes! Yes! Yes! This is why I asked about push style or free runner! This advice is very good...as that is what my mare needs (except she needs a little help coming out of her turn), so I have very good first hand experience.  |
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| The owner tells you to give her a big pocket to first which she demostrates in the video. She also has a bit on her that you believe the horse hates and is way to much bit. There is a reason that owner is riding to that first barrel differently. I'll be the fly in the ointment and say again I believe there is an underlying issue.
Try finding a spot on the arena rails beyond your first barrel ride to it to where your leg passes the barrel and then ask for the turn. See if it changes anything. |
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Location: Texas | I did not read all of the responses, but I also believe that too big of a pocket going in could be part of the problem. You might try placing a tire on the ground in the spot that she is cutting you off to reinforce the shape that you are wanting. |
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Location: Illinois | RidenFly - 2014-12-22 4:38 PM
The owner tells you to give her a big pocket to first which she demostrates in the video. She also has a bit on her that you believe the horse hates and is way to much bit. There is a reason that owner is riding to that first barrel differently. I'll be the fly in the ointment and say again I believe there is an underlying issue.
Try finding a spot on the arena rails beyond your first barrel ride to it to where your leg passes the barrel and then ask for the turn. See if it changes anything.
I get what you are saying.. why she performs just fine under her "perfect" conditions but I cannot get her to perform. I may have to go back and talk to her previous owner. She fully disclosed to me that she needed work on her first barrel when I bought her but all she said was you have to hold her going to the first or she is all over the place. Thanks for the advice, i will try that. |
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Location: Illinois | RocketPilot - 2014-12-22 5:45 PM
I did not read all of the responses, but I also believe that too big of a pocket going in could be part of the problem. You might try placing a tire on the ground in the spot that she is cutting you off to reinforce the shape that you are wanting.
I actually have tires around my barrels in my arena that I put there after I got her, I wasn't riding in my arena last time I rode so I didn't have the tires and she cut in on me. |
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| ShortyHorse11 - 2014-12-22 2:56 PM
And I understand lessons are a good thing no matter how long you have been riding but to immediately assume it is my riding is not a very nice way to come across.
It is your riding that is causing you to know barrels.
The horse is 16, seasoned, never knocked with previous owner, knocks with you. You are the new variable.
You need to find someone who will not sugar cost things and teach you how to ride this horse. I suggest going back to the previous owner.
The term pocket means different things to people, same with running straight at a barrel.
Personally if this was my horse, I would be getting back with the previous owner,
what i am guess is happening is you are giving too much pocket, sitting too soon, looking at the barrel, not keeping her round with your leg, not driving her around the barrel, and going too slow.
Also the grasshopper bit has enough bend and lift if used properly. The bit has a lot of bite, and may actually be too severe causing her to turn too soon |
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Location: Illinois | cheryl makofka - 2014-12-22 6:31 PM
ShortyHorse11 - 2014-12-22 2:56 PM
And I understand lessons are a good thing no matter how long you have been riding but to immediately assume it is my riding is not a very nice way to come across.
It is your riding that is causing you to know barrels.
The horse is 16, seasoned, never knocked with previous owner, knocks with you. You are the new variable.
You need to find someone who will not sugar cost things and teach you how to ride this horse. I suggest going back to the previous owner.
The term pocket means different things to people, same with running straight at a barrel.
Personally if this was my horse, I would be getting back with the previous owner,
what i am guess is happening is you are giving too much pocket, sitting too soon, looking at the barrel, not keeping her round with your leg, not driving her around the barrel, and going too slow.
Also the grasshopper bit has enough bend and lift if used properly. The bit has a lot of bite, and may actually be too severe causing her to turn too soon
This isn't entirely true, the horse would knock barrels when anyone but her main rider rode her. The previous owner even told me she would knock into the barrel if you didn't drive her past... so it may be a training issue that someone let her get away with knocking for too long and never corrected it just put a band-aide over it. I am not saying at all that it isn't me, I don't pretend to know all that much about barrels and if I am doing something wrong I would like to know. I can't exactly go back to the previous owner as she is in FL and I am in IL. I can talk to her on the phone but she cannot be there while I am riding the mare.
I am probably doing most of those things that you say I am doing, I admit that. That is why I am here looking for advice. What do you mean by going to slow? Should I not take her slow through the pattern? Just run her?
I didn't realise the grasshopper was that severe, always thought it was a pretty mild bit.
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| bennie1 - 2014-12-22 4:00 PM I think a lesson from someone you respect is far better than asking a bunch of strangers who may or may not be half baked to comment on a horse and rider they have never seen.
i agree plus no video plus did not like vonda.s comment |
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| I bet you are leaning into the barrel. That will sure make one drop their shoulder. Push back on the saddle horn and put weight on the outside stirrup. Practice this slow until you have perfected it then it should come natural at a faster speed. Hope that helps. |
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Location: Illinois | vjls - 2014-12-22 7:56 PM
bennie1 - 2014-12-22 4:00 PM I think a lesson from someone you respect is far better than asking a bunch of strangers who may or may not be half baked to comment on a horse and rider they have never seen.
i agree plus no video plus did not like vonda.s comment
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Location: Illinois | streakysox - 2014-12-22 8:19 PM
I bet you are leaning into the barrel. That will sure make one drop their shoulder. Push back on the saddle horn and put weight on the outside stirrup. Practice this slow until you have perfected it then it should come natural at a faster speed. Hope that helps.
Yes that does help, thank you! I will try doing that next time I ride. |
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| Look at these schedules and find a clinic near you. Both are excellent and very similar. I have been friends with Martha Josey for MANY years and just attended another clinic there. I live near both (Rienhardt and Josey.) I see Vickie in the grocery store or Walmart all the time--laughing. If you want to go kick butt, this will be the best money you ever spent.
http://www.rienhardtclinics.com/Schedule_2015.html
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| streakysox - 2014-12-23 12:00 AM Look at these schedules and find a clinic near you. Both are excellent and very similar. I have been friends with Martha Josey for MANY years and just attended another clinic there. I live near both (Rienhardt and Josey. ) I see Vickie in the grocery store or Walmart all the time--laughing. If you want to go kick butt, this will be the best money you ever spent. http://www.rienhardtclinics.com/Schedule_2015.html http://barrelracers.com/HOME/Home.html
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| If she is responsive and seasoned then ANY little cue from you may cause her to "cheat" you. Is she dropping her shoulder, stiffening up in her rib cage? I had a mare that was so responsive that if I had to look to the fence, set my hand down, say whoa and then get back up over her to drive to next. Sounds easy but.was hard. One kitty mistake ie. sitting too soon, helping her or not sayin whoa meant ugly run. Just my personal experience with my horses but if they don't like the bit in their mouth, they brace against it, causing stiffness and poor form. If my horses stop working correctly, I go back to the o-ring or sweet six and martingale, if needed. I do not work the pattern but I do drills and exercises to help my horses use his body correctly. I also look at my riding and make sure I'm not the problem, which is the case most of the time LOL. Drills helps remind me of my horses response to my body language. |
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