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Location: NC | This happened in SC/NC with Bartlett feed. It was Rumensin that killed a few horses. It was late October/early November when that happened. A girl lost several horses to the poisoning. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? |
I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately:
"Kimberly,
Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine.
Thank you for asking.
Harry Anderson"
So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great.
My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed. |
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| Vickie - 2015-01-02 4:24 AM
Is anyone else concerned with the practice of feeding cattle something that is that posionous to horses? Â This is the beef we eat. Â With all the antibiotics and steriods our food sourses are eating, what is that doing to us?
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Ionophores like monensin are poisonous to horses due to the way their digestive tract is set up versus a cow's. Cattle have a four compartment stomach. One of the compartments is the rumen, which contains bacteria that ferment the feed to provide the cow with energy. All that ionophores do is change the way that the bacteria ferment the feed to improve its utilization. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | TrailGirl - 2015-01-05 8:34 AM
I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately:
"Kimberly,
Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine.
Thank you for asking.
Harry Anderson"
So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great.
My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed.
I would love to know specifically where his facilities are located. I don't know of many fully functioning mills that don't use ionophores. |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | streakysox - 2015-01-02 6:30 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 6:18 PM
EquineNutritionist - 2015-01-02 4:45 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.Â
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.Â
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now.
I feed range cubes to my horses for treats---their favorite---and have for years. Yes some do contain urea but I buy all natural cubes and always make sure that the feed store knows that is what I want. I buy feed in the same place and have for years. They know that I do not have cows. I also know people that feed range cubes to their horses as feed. Don't know why but they do.
I feed alfalfa cubes as horse treats ...
this kinda has me worried.. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | TurnLane - 2015-01-06 1:12 PM
TrailGirl - 2015-01-05 8:34 AM
I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately:
"Kimberly,
Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine.
Thank you for asking.
Harry Anderson"
So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great.
My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed.
I would love to know specifically where his facilities are located. I don't know of many fully functioning mills that don't use ionophores.
I will ask!
Though I suspect this feed is actually produced in a mill that makes only extruded feeds for horses and dogs. Therefore no need to even have those compounds at all.
I'll let you know what I learn. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | TrailGirl - 2015-01-06 2:23 PM TurnLane - 2015-01-06 1:12 PM TrailGirl - 2015-01-05 8:34 AM I feed the Total Equine extruded diet to my crew. (Love this feed for how well my senior horse is doing on it) I contacted the company to inquire about their facility and the possibility of Monesin or other ionophore contamination. They responded immediately: "Kimberly, Yes, Total Equine is manufactured only in plants that are certified free of any ionophore or other chemical additive that could possibly be toxic to an equine or canine. Thank you for asking. Harry Anderson" So that was good news for me. I used to feed Triple Crown feeds...but the quality control was just lacking. Some bags were very dry...others so oily it was ridiculous. No way the formulation was as listed on the bag from batch to batch. The Total Equine extruded feed is more easily digested...and my older guy looks great. My friend Kellie boards at the stable in NC mentioned in this thread. It has been a scarey and heartbreaking time there since this all began. So far Penny (her mare) seems to be fine. They don't believe she got any of the contaminated feed. I would love to know specifically where his facilities are located. I don't know of many fully functioning mills that don't use ionophores. I will ask! Though I suspect this feed is actually produced in a mill that makes only extruded feeds for horses and dogs. Therefore no need to even have those compounds at all. I'll let you know what I learn.
I agree. But I also know about all the recalls on Dog Food, so that means they likely use alternate protein sources in that product? |
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| RunningOnPaints - 2015-01-06 2:22 PM
streakysox - 2015-01-02 6:30 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 6:18 PM
EquineNutritionist - 2015-01-02 4:45 PM
sorrel horse ranch - 2015-01-02 12:58 PM While we are talking about horse/cattle feed.......
What is it that can be in cattle cubes that is bad for horses. I think it starts with an n.Â
Non-protein nitrogen (urea) and monensin are two of the most common things that would be in cattle feed but not good for horses.Â
Thank you so much. I blame this on chemo brain but I could not think of what it was. Hopefully I can remember this now.
I feed range cubes to my horses for treats---their favorite---and have for years. Yes some do contain urea but I buy all natural cubes and always make sure that the feed store knows that is what I want. I buy feed in the same place and have for years. They know that I do not have cows. I also know people that feed range cubes to their horses as feed. Don't know why but they do.
I feed alfalfa cubes as horse treats ...
this kinda has me worried..
I would think you should be safe with the alfalfa cubes. The range cubes people are referring to are a different type of cube that's usually fed to cattle, and may or may not contain monensin or other ionophores. |
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Location: MN | Please don't believe everything you read on the internet. This is an official statement from ADM's Equine website:
Notice:
ADM Alliance Nutrition is aware of the recent comments on social media and some news outlets concerning ADM Alliance 12% horse feed and its alleged link to deaths of horses. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses' deaths. We're not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it's available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at [email protected].
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | thanks for the info.......... |
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| I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at [email protected]. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Alliance equine-help - 2015-01-08 8:53 AM I’m Jason Hartley and I am responsible for Quality Assurance at ADM Alliance Nutrition. We take this matter very seriously and are working with authorities to investigate these horses’ deaths. We’re not aware that authorities have made any determination as to what caused the deaths, and based on our investigation to date, we have not found any evidence that our horse feed caused or contributed to these deaths. The single sample of our horse feed tested for our customer at Michigan State University was negative for ionophores (monensin ) at the detection limits for the test. We have sent additional samples for testing and will share information as soon as it’s available. If you have questions about your ADM feed, please contact us at [email protected].
I called my distributor in Torrington and he was very helpful. I only feed the GLO product line. Sounds like my feed comes from a different plant. Just a thought, because people are such crooks. The horses could have gotten into anything and owners are looking for a lawsuit. Just a different angle to take here. Or maybe someone had a beef with the owners of these horses. Who knows, but with only a few getting sick. Were the sick horses the only horses on ADM? Or were there more? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Not one ADM product was ever recalled...even out of courtesy. Not one owner was given an explanation for the Monensin that was found in their feed or the damage that was done to their horses.
Why do horse owners continue to support a company that has no more regard for the animals they are feeding than this? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 3:54 PM Not one ADM product was ever recalled...even out of courtesy. Not one owner was given an explanation for the Monensin that was found in their feed or the damage that was done to their horses.
Why do horse owners continue to support a company that has no more regard for the animals they are feeding than this?
Because no one wants to believe it could happen to their horse. It's easier to close your eyes and sing lalala than change your program. ADM's continued denial in the face of lab results is unforgivable. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition. |
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Location: Florida.. | And people still feed it.. and believe ADM.. I know the owners of the eventers and one of the stallions was from Valhalla.. it did affect them..... but not one recall or remove of product or a Apology.. |
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Location: Deep South | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM
The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Â Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition.Â
Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen. |
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Location: Florida.. | BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-05 5:31 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition. Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen.
Agree.. Thank you Rachel |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-05 4:31 PM
rachellyn80 - 2015-10-05 4:24 PM
The sad thing is, most people have already been affected in some way and have no idea that's what it is. Â Maybe not ionophores, but another substance that wasn't supposed to be there, or a substitute ingredient to meet guaranteed analysis, but not necessarily ideal for equine nutrition.Â
Well I for one appreciate you bringing so much attention to this subject, putting so many hours of research into it, and not quitting until you know the facts. I have changed my program because of the information I have received from this forum and have been spreading the word to anyone who will listen.
I, too, appreciate all your hard work and willingness to inform us. I was just fixin' to change my feeding program to ADM when you brought this to our attention. I don't even feed their minerals anymore and told my feed store why I wouldn't. They didn't listen to me or even try to verify what I told them. :(. I don't go there anymore. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I tell everyone and I give them copies of my report from the lab showing the poison. I tell people at shows that have drawings for it what type of product it is. They just think I am a BA. |
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