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Location: London Ontario | My whole thing is why in the heck would she even want to go? She is putting money in YOUR pocket....the LAST thing I would do if I hated someone was to show up and support their event! Duh! |
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| I don't think she thinks that way. She shows up knowing it makes everyone miserable and now the attention is on her. And also cause she thinks she intimidates people and that makes her feel powerful. I'm not kidding she's mentally ill |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | Team ropings have kept people from entering for years. There were people that they wouldn't let enter because they ran off all the ropers because they won too much. These producers never had any trouble not lettting someone enter, don't know how it would be any different at a barrel race. |
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| NJJ - 2015-02-10 7:59 AM
wickedstepmother - 2015-02-10 9:27 AM jd&ez - 2015-02-09 3:28 PM gotothewhip - 2015-02-08 9:14 AM Â You can't do it. Â A great producer didn't allow a gal to enter who had some financial obligations to many in the industry....it was a long expensive legal event... And while the producer had good solid reasoning for refusing her entry...in court, she lost You absoultely can ban someone from a privately funded event. You can't if there's government monies involved. There has to more to that story if they lost.
Just like the NFRÂ legally bans men from competing in the barrel race. Augusta National still bans women members to this day. Legally.
A restaurant can refuse service as long as they don't do it solely based on race the way Denny's did it.
If I was producing horse shows there a some people that would not be allowed to participate and I would dare them to sue me. I agree!! I'm not understanding how people would not get laughed out of court for suing? Barrel racing is a privilege not a right. What be the basis for their court case? Oh and to clarify again, she ALREADY has cussed me out several times over at public functions as well as caused problems at previous races I've produced for two years in a row.
Maybe so, but for one I was stunned and for two I was unsure of how to handle it. Now she is starting arguments anytime she is around me anywhere she sees me. But after reading some of the other producers suggestions here, I have a plan for how to deal with her in the future. I understand for you it may look black and white but it wasnt. Now it is. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | Years ago when I was running a show I got blind sided in the middle of a run while I was keeping time. You're so busy running a show that stuff like this does catch you by complete surprise and it's tough to handle it appropriately off the cuff like that when you don't expect it.
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Location: Kansas | I got sued by a person from Minnesota for buying a horse she was thinking about buying. Lol |
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| amy laymon - 2015-03-02 10:42 AM
I got sued by a person from Minnesota for buying a horse she was thinking about buying. Lol
No way.... You're joking right!?!! |
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Location: Arkansas | It's been pretty easy for team ropers to do since the USTRC--all they have to do is get someone's number bumped so they are numbered too high to enter that particular roping. There are very few "open" local team ropings anymore, at least in our area. |
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Location: AR & OK | Since this woman has a habit of cussing you out anywhere at any time, I would dial 911 on your cellphone and let the operator listen to her rant.
In fact, I think you should go to the police now. Report to them a timeline of things that have been happening over the years. Bring them up to date. They will take notes and put it in their data base. I think what you call it is having notes on file. Tell them, it has really scared you and friends encouraged you to let them know what has been happening and they are concerned for your safety. It might be a good idea to have the people who have witnessed all this to give a report or see if they are willing to tell the police if they are asked after you report it.
That way when she shows up to your barrel race with her crazy attitude, you call the police immediately. The police can read those notes and be aware of the history of trouble this crazy lady has been giving these barrel races and you.
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Location: Kansas | I decided to delete my response. What is in the past doesn't need brought up on a thread. You learn with bad experiences! There are people out there that want control and they do things to gain it. I wish you all luck on figuring this out. People will sue for about any reason and it is never fun to be in court been there twice in last 11 years and it was so stupid both times! I am so disgusted with the court system once I saw what goes on. Everything needs to be in writing it seems unless you really know who your dealing with. If you have someone you know that does horrible things to other people just remember they will turn on you in an instant if they aren't getting their way:) |
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Location: The RIGHT side of insanity! | jd&ez - 2015-02-09 5:28 PM
gotothewhip - 2015-02-08 9:14 AM Â You can't do it. Â A great producer didn't allow a gal to enter who had some financial obligations to many in the industry....it was a long expensive legal event... And while the producer had good solid reasoning for refusing her entry...in court, she lost
You absoultely can ban someone from a privately funded event. You can't if there's government monies involved. There has to more to that story if they lost.
Just like the NFRÂ legally bans men from competing in the barrel race. Augusta National still bans women members to this day. Legally.
A restaurant can refuse service as long as they don't do it solely based on race the way Denny's did it.
If I was producing horse shows there a some people that would not be allowed to participate and I would dare them to sue me.Â
The Augusta National is a private club and does have 2 women members. Just to clarify. |
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Location: Kansas | amy laymon - 2015-03-02 10:42 AM I got sued by a person from Minnesota for buying a horse she was thinking about buying. Lol
please tell me she DIDN'T win!!! That is horrible!!! |
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| amy laymon - 2015-03-02 10:42 AM I got sued by a person from Minnesota for buying a horse she was thinking about buying. Lol
Shut up!!! Not literally but WOW! How did that work out? Did she just have papers served to you or did you actually have to go to court over it? |
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Location: The RIGHT side of insanity! | wickedstepmother - 2015-02-07 3:08 PM
What is everyone's thoughts on not allowing a person to enter a race you produce. A gal around here is very high conflict, spreads lies just for the pleasure of hurting others and is very confrontational. I personally do not want her running at my races. Has any of you that have produced races ever told someone NO. What happened after? I'm just curious if this ever happens
Post your rules and have a conduct section. Be specific on the conduct that is not acceptable and unacceptable at your event. On your entry form, make sure you have verbage that all contestants HAVE READ and agree to follow all rules - MAKE THEM SIGN IT. Failure to follow the rules can result in fine, discipline actions and banning from all future events. Cover your tail. The NBHA Requires all members to sign a waiver when you get a membership.
When she breaks the rules, be sure to A-video the conduct. Sure, witnesses are great, but there is NO arguing with video proof. B-Call the police. Make a report. Do whatever needed to have the law on your side.
I always agree with producer rights. If you put your neck out, you should be able to run your event however you see fit. People don't have a right to show up and cause drama.
Does this open you up to legal ramifications? You bet!! But so does putting on barrel races. A person can sue with no just cause. Best of luck:-) |
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| rodeochick382 - 2015-03-02 10:49 AM
It's been pretty easy for team ropers to do since the USTRC--all they have to do is get someone's number bumped so they are numbered too high to enter that particular roping. There are very few "open" local team ropings anymore, at least in our area.
Crazy how that works. I have heard of instances in my area where ropers say someone called them in to have their number bumped. |
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| Just post in the rules NO CUSSING allowed on the show grounds. Sounds like she would break that rule in the first five minutes. Which would give you grounds to ban her. |
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Location: USA | scwebster - 2015-03-02 3:04 PM
amy laymon - 2015-03-02 10:42 AM I got sued by a person from Minnesota for buying a horse she was thinking about buying. Lol
Shut up!!! Not literally but WOW! How did that work out? Did she just have papers served to you or did you actually have to go to court over it?Â
 It happened. She was served papers. The person who sued Amy commented on this thread, as a poor innocent.She didn't win. She was just to delighted to have cost Amy legal fees. Like someone questioned, "why would you want to come and support a race of someone you hate?" Vindictive hatred. Pure and simple. She wants to make others miserable and for them to "pay"for the percieved injustices of the past. Obviously there are quite a few mean spirited barrel racers out there. |
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| I have been a new producer and had this happen to me. A "friend" who was supposed to be helping me with the fine points because she had been in the industry much longer forced me to restake the barrels after her daughter fell in the third run. We asked all three of the runners who had run to come to the office and asked their opinion of the ground. We were trying to start a new facility so we wanted people to know we were listening and willing to make things as safe as possible. The racers agreed that the ground was loose so we moved the third barrel up. I was not happy about it but I wanted it to be safe for all.
For all of you negative Nancies out there you have no idea how hard it is to put on a race. Producers struggle to make the best events possible. They want to hear your constructive criticism and improve. But your selfish comments are often taken to heart and then cause people like me to be so dis-heartened by the whole community that they refuse to produce more events.
After the race I found out that this person had been calling people and telling them to stay away. I was so upset and heartbroken. We were working our tails off to make the facility a premier location. Due to this circumstance the location owners chose to cancel all future races there. I had to move BBR/WPRA co-approved races and I have since chosen not to produce races any more. It wasn't worth the stress or the headaches involved.
Beating a dead horse here, I'm sure. 
But you have to understand just how much effort and energy is put into putting these events on. Most of the time when new producers are starting out they make little to no money because they are not yet well established enough to get major sponsors. When you take the joy out of it it is certainly not worth it to the producer to continue. If you want to have quality events to enjoy then you will have to stop bad-mouthing and act like the professional horse(wo)men you are supposed to be.
For the producers who are having these challenges with contestants, I will keep saying prayers for you! Some have commented that you should make foul-language a reason to ban someone, but as someone with a bit of a potty mouth myself (although never directed at someone in anger) I would be scared to go to a race with those rules. I think that you should set your rules up to ban someone who abuses production staff, etc. Or take a note from rodeo and have "officials" for each race (like rodeo judges). It's their job to make the tough calls. If someone wants to file a complaint they will have to file a fee with the office and take it up with the official for the day. The official keeps the money if the decision is upheld. The person gets it returned if their complaint is found to have merit. Anyone who comes in the office will have to take up their concerns with the official. That eliminates abuse of office staff/volunteers and helps to keep the show moving. Many people like to hear their voice but not enough to pay for the opportunity. If I ever produce a race again that will be in my rules. |
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| CaitConn - 2015-03-03 3:35 PM
I have been a new producer and had this happen to me. A "friend" who was supposed to be helping me with the fine points because she had been in the industry much longer forced me to restake the barrels after her daughter fell in the third run. We asked all three of the runners who had run to come to the office and asked their opinion of the ground. We were trying to start a new facility so we wanted people to know we were listening and willing to make things as safe as possible. The racers agreed that the ground was loose so we moved the third barrel up. I was not happy about it but I wanted it to be safe for all.
For all of you negative Nancies out there you have no idea how hard it is to put on a race. Producers struggle to make the best events possible. They want to hear your constructive criticism and improve. But your selfish comments are often taken to heart and then cause people like me to be so dis-heartened by the whole community that they refuse to produce more events.
After the race I found out that this person had been calling people and telling them to stay away. I was so upset and heartbroken. We were working our tails off to make the facility a premier location. Due to this circumstance the location owners chose to cancel all future races there. I had to move BBR/WPRA co-approved races and I have since chosen not to produce races any more. It wasn't worth the stress or the headaches involved.
Beating a dead horse here, I'm sure.
But you have to understand just how much effort and energy is put into putting these events on. Most of the time when new producers are starting out they make little to no money because they are not yet well established enough to get major sponsors. When you take the joy out of it it is certainly not worth it to the producer to continue. If you want to have quality events to enjoy then you will have to stop bad-mouthing and act like the professional horse (wo )men you are supposed to be.
For the producers who are having these challenges with contestants, I will keep saying prayers for you! Some have commented that you should make foul-language a reason to ban someone, but as someone with a bit of a potty mouth myself (although never directed at someone in anger ) I would be scared to go to a race with those rules. I think that you should set your rules up to ban someone who abuses production staff, etc. Or take a note from rodeo and have "officials" for each race (like rodeo judges ). It's their job to make the tough calls. If someone wants to file a complaint they will have to file a fee with the office and take it up with the official for the day. The official keeps the money if the decision is upheld. The person gets it returned if their complaint is found to have merit. Anyone who comes in the office will have to take up their concerns with the official. That eliminates abuse of office staff/volunteers and helps to keep the show moving. Many people like to hear their voice but not enough to pay for the opportunity. If I ever produce a race again that will be in my rules.
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