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| For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down.
How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half?
Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive.
This is what you are asking of the breeders.
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| If breeding regulations were implimented, stallion owners could ask far more in stud fees. And babies would bring much more because there would only be a limited number of each. It wouldnt cut the feet out from under breeders IMO. I am not saying I agree or disagree with regulations, I am merely weiging in on what we would see as a result.
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders.
Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has. |
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| Fairweather - 2015-03-02 11:15 AM
cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders.
Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has.
Not sure how I want to respond to this one... |
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Location: ND | Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders. Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has.
The truck driver is still allowed to set his prices wherever he needs to to make a realistic living. He is only allowed to drive so many hours for safety reasons, not to limit his income. |
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| Itsme - 2015-02-27 11:51 AM
Cowgirl Kat - 2015-02-27 11:27 AM
No more back yard breeders! I think we need to better regulate all breeders. I think there should be a rule about proven horses being bred and their offspring. It just needs rules, right now there is none. I feel the same way about people breeding dogs and cats. IF they all had homes then it wouldn't matter.
Do me a favor and never vote, K thanks.
I think that we should start this with people first.....then the horse/dog/cat problem may correct itself, then we wouldn't feel the need to pass MORE laws.... Stupid people shouldn't breed.......  |
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Location: ND | scwebster - 2015-03-02 9:56 AM If breeding regulations were implimented, stallion owners could ask far more in stud fees. And babies would bring much more because there would only be a limited number of each. It wouldnt cut the feet out from under breeders IMO. I am not saying I agree or disagree with regulations, I am merely weiging in on what we would see as a result.
And by this quality horses become something that only the wealthy can afford. |
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| SaraJean - 2015-03-02 11:58 AM
Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders. Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has.
OH I disagree. We don't "Set" prices. We are offered loads at a given rate, then we choose to haul it or not. Hours of Service DO affect our income. The original hours of service were set back when the trucks were underpowered, there were NO interstate highways, or even air conditioning. The rates have DROPPED since then, the prices of trucks, insurance, taxes and fuel have skyrocketed. And yet the hours of service have become MORE regulated. So tell me again how that does affect ones income? It may not be the intent of the law that they tell you about, but believe you me, they know the impact. |
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Location: Buffalo, TX | rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:00 PM
Itsme - 2015-02-27 11:51 AM
Cowgirl Kat - 2015-02-27 11:27 AM
No more back yard breeders! I think we need to better regulate all breeders. I think there should be a rule about proven horses being bred and their offspring. It just needs rules, right now there is none. I feel the same way about people breeding dogs and cats. IF they all had homes then it wouldn't matter.
Do me a favor and never vote, K thanks.
I think that we should start this with people first.....then the horse/dog/cat problem may correct itself, then we wouldn't feel the need to pass MORE laws.... Stupid people shouldn't breed.......
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:06 PM SaraJean - 2015-03-02 11:58 AM Fairweather - 2015-03-02 10:15 AM cheryl makofka - 2015-03-02 10:07 AM For those who want to regulate breeders, therefore cutting their profits down. How would you like the government to regulate how much your company produces, by placing a quota cutting your revenue in half? Or the company you work for has to fire you as the government imposed a quota for the business cutting the revenue in half therefore employees have to be let go so the company can survive. This is what you are asking of the breeders. Other businesses are already regulated on how much money they can make.....If you're a truck driver, you're only allowed to drive for so many hours whether you're tired or not. You're limited on how much you can make. The rest of the world doesn't seem to mind that regulation because of the impact it has. OH I disagree. We don't "Set" prices. We are offered loads at a given rate, then we choose to haul it or not. Hours of Service DO affect our income. The original hours of service were set back when the trucks were underpowered, there were NO interstate highways, or even air conditioning. The rates have DROPPED since then, the prices of trucks, insurance, taxes and fuel have skyrocketed. And yet the hours of service have become MORE regulated. So tell me again how that does affect ones income? It may not be the intent of the law that they tell you about, but believe you me, they know the impact.
Healthcare is another industry where income has been regulated as well. Medicare has taken a 30% decrease and even if a patient doesn't have Medicare, Medicare reimbursement rules dictate payment rules and rates for all other insurances.
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Location: Kansas | rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 12:00 PM Itsme - 2015-02-27 11:51 AM Cowgirl Kat - 2015-02-27 11:27 AM No more back yard breeders! I think we need to better regulate all breeders. I think there should be a rule about proven horses being bred and their offspring. It just needs rules, right now there is none. I feel the same way about people breeding dogs and cats. IF they all had homes then it wouldn't matter. Do me a favor and never vote, K thanks. I think that we should start this with people first.....then the horse/dog/cat problem may correct itself, then we wouldn't feel the need to pass MORE laws.... Stupid people shouldn't breed.......
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Location: bring on the heat, NV | I see no solution... This is such a multi faceted problem and no one group is to blame. I personally believe a lack of education for both horse and owner is a huge contributing factor followed by money. Slaughter is needed period and should be in a USA regulated facility ( providing much needed jobs too). All we can do is be responsible ourselves. I think we could help more on a local level by working with interested parties in hosting gelding, euthanasia, horsemanship, and colt starting clinics for reduced to free if possible fees. That probably won't happen but would help.
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| I also agree with limiting the number of mares a stud can cover. I know that many keep saying you cant discourage or change people... but thats not true. You're right, it may NOT fix the issue or discourage anyone BUT what if it does? Theres the constant complaining on BHW about the horse industry and the low prices. Why not make some type of adjustment. Even if it is small and maybe has no effect. Least someone is trying.
I am not a fan of slaughter but I do recognize its need. I just dont like the extremes of it. I also dont like the lack of regulations. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | stayceem - 2015-03-02 2:16 PM I also agree with limiting the number of mares a stud can cover. I know that many keep saying you cant discourage or change people... but thats not true. You're right, it may NOT fix the issue or discourage anyone BUT what if it does? Theres the constant complaining on BHW about the horse industry and the low prices. Why not make some type of adjustment. Even if it is small and maybe has no effect. Least someone is trying. I am not a fan of slaughter but I do recognize its need. I just dont like the extremes of it. I also dont like the lack of regulations.
To be a group that touts the need for positive thinking and moving forward we sure have a negative reaction when someone trys to get a discussion going on how to fix something that impact everyone. How much more we could do if the energy wasted on bit$@ and moaning was used instead for brain storming on how to make a difference. Might not fix it but at least try something. Instead of saying why something won't work, offer an alternative.
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Location: Kansas | stayceem - 2015-03-02 2:16 PM I also agree with limiting the number of mares a stud can cover. I know that many keep saying you cant discourage or change people... but thats not true. You're right, it may NOT fix the issue or discourage anyone BUT what if it does? Theres the constant complaining on BHW about the horse industry and the low prices. Why not make some type of adjustment. Even if it is small and maybe has no effect. Least someone is trying. I am not a fan of slaughter but I do recognize its need. I just dont like the extremes of it. I also dont like the lack of regulations.
I agree as well.....more "quality" less "quantity" |
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Well said. I don't think slaughter is an option any more. That ship has sailed. There are a number of options to explore, but most won't consider them. How about we, as horse people, think of ideas and put them into motion? You know, before people who don't know squat about horses and the government do it for us? |
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