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| Itsme - 2015-03-01 11:01 PM
Dude sat on his bull for 10 minutes before the nod too....
The Brazilians are infamous for "soaking" their bulls before they ride. |
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Location: Texas | hlynn - 2015-03-02 8:29 AM That alleyway scares the snot out of me. I think they need to do some rule changing & maybe figure a way to give them a little more room to stop. Did anyone see Jackie's video of the 'warm up' area? They had enough room to walk slowly around some columns. It was tight!
Yes!! I do not like the alley at all, then again, I don't have to stop in it either. I like the way Shelly Anzick stopped her horse, much safer.
I really think the American should only use one arena. It would help with the space issue and the fans would like it even more.
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Location: North Dakota | Itsme - 2015-03-02 11:19 AM McBride and I believe it was Ty were calling that brazillian out as much as they could without crossing the line, they knew what was up from the start.
I LOVE Justin McBride. He was for sure tired of the crap that was being pulled. Then for him to win it after soaking his bull really irked me! The Brazillians were soaking their bulls in the long round too. I was screaming at the TV and about to pull my hair out. During the long round the gate judge did yell at the one guy he pulled his rope 3 times he had to go. Luckily that bull still had enough in him to dump his butt in the dirt. |
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Location: In my own world | mouse - 2015-03-02 8:58 AM
Even though the ground looked much looser and not as good as the first drag, let's remember Michelle ran the fastest qualifying time, and she was a long long ways from being in the first drag
That's is correct. Michele ran middle to 2/3 down. And Chayni was 3rd from the last. Just before Fallon and Charmayne. Chayni ran 14.8. Lots of barrels were way wide. The dirt stunk. I was there and you could really see them slipping around |
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Location: Heart of Texas | I think everyone with a little know how was irate that they allowed Silvano to soak that bull. I told my husband a quick fix would be make The American only open to American citizins. It's not the WORLD. It's the American. We should support our american contestants and keep that money in America. Jus sayin. |
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| rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 11:35 AM Itsme - 2015-03-01 11:01 PM Dude sat on his bull for 10 minutes before the nod too.... The Brazilians are infamous for "soaking" their bulls before they ride.
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| I had an absolute blast! I thought they ran it well, the atmospehere was something I cant explain.
As for the dirt, I think it was a little loose but by no means dangerous or something to balk at. Ive seen much worse in rodeos, 4d races, etc. I was also surprised by the times but when I watched Louie vs say Worm... Louie never lost momentum and covered so much ground. Worm shuts down and his rate costs some time. Michelle also had a smoking run.
Chayni was one of the last 4 and was just out of the top 4 outrunning Charmayne and Fallon who ran after her. Flo Jo struggled a bit with the ground too, had he got a good feeling for it, I think he really coulda been at the top. Latte bowed off 2nd pretty good, which I think cost some time.
I am intrigued about the "soaking." We were wondering what was taking so long and were pretty annoying. Never heard of that before.
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Location: Arkansas | 4Horse - 2015-03-02 10:49 AM Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch.
We were in the second level a little to the left of and behind the team roping chutes. We could see better than when we were at the NFR. The big screen is amazing and you can see it very closely but we could see in the arena pretty well. I was actually impressed with the seating. Most spectators were in the first 2 levels. |
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Location: Somewhere between raising hell and Amazing Grace | I think the pattern was the same, and was fine. I missed the finals because it didn't record, but saw the 22 runs. I just saw a lot of horses that did NOT fire between barrels, including Trulias. I was surprised, but I was watching it recorded, and backed it up. Definitely just did not fire in between like normal.
It's a rodeo. Tough pen, tough dirt, tough circumstances.
We now have two Americans in the books. It's a great rodeo, great idea...but does have some flaws. The way I see it though, they can only improve........ |
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Location: Kansas | rodeoveteran - 2015-03-02 11:35 AM Itsme - 2015-03-01 11:01 PM Dude sat on his bull for 10 minutes before the nod too.... The Brazilians are infamous for "soaking" their bulls before they ride.
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The Soaking of the bull is horrible for the bull. The stock contractors strive to teach their bulls to stand up properly in the chute and the opening of the gate is their release/reward for doing it right. When a rider tightens and loosens their rope multiple times...and generally messes around with the bull long after the bull does what it is supposed to do...guess what...the bull gets soured on the whole deal. So...not only does it give a less than usual performance and get a low bull score on that out...it can affect that bull in the future.
By messing around and soaking they hope to wear down the bull and either get rolled to another bull that might be more to their liking...or...get that bull to have an off performance. They don't care if they get a lower score...they are banking on the odds of a low score beating a no score in the end if another rider who really goes for it gets bucked off and a no score.
I get it...it's a strategy...and the rider wants to win the cash...but it's bad for the bull, bad for the sport, and just isn't the true spirit of the competition. IMHO
It's not ONLY the Brazilian riders that do this...and not ALL of the Brazilian riders do it...but they are definitely known for it. And in this case...he likely took advantage of that opportunity since the rules are less stringent and no chute clock at this event. He's a smart competitor...but not one I enjoy watching really.
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Location: North Dakota | TrailGirl - 2015-03-02 3:19 PM The Soaking of the bull is horrible for the bull. The stock contractors strive to teach their bulls to stand up properly in the chute and the opening of the gate is their release/reward for doing it right. When a rider tightens and loosens their rope multiple times...and generally messes around with the bull long after the bull does what it is supposed to do...guess what...the bull gets soured on the whole deal. So...not only does it give a less than usual performance and get a low bull score on that out...it can affect that bull in the future. By messing around and soaking they hope to wear down the bull and either get rolled to another bull that might be more to their liking...or...get that bull to have an off performance. They don't care if they get a lower score...they are banking on the odds of a low score beating a no score in the end if another rider who really goes for it gets bucked off and a no score. I get it...it's a strategy...and the rider wants to win the cash...but it's bad for the bull, bad for the sport, and just isn't the true spirit of the competition. IMHO It's not ONLY the Brazilian riders that do this...and not ALL of the Brazilian riders do it...but they are definitely known for it. And in this case...he likely took advantage of that opportunity since the rules are less stringent and no chute clock at this event. He's a smart competitor...but not one I enjoy watching really. Very very poor sportsmaship!! They are not giving the bull a fair shot. I would be ticked if I was a stock contractor!!! I really hope they change the rules for The American after this year. They need a chute clock and the gate judge needs to be strict and to not tolerate that crap! I for one am a bit discouraged with The American just because of that one little instance. I think The American is great and I love watching it but when something like that is allowed to take place at such a large event it is upsetting. Then to put the icing on the cake he wins...lol. I hope after all the confusion of tie-breakers, not saying scores after the rides, not showing the times, etc. they really work out a lot of kinks for next year. I love The American but they need to get some stuff straightened out. :)
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Location: North Dakota | Ok well back to the original post...I felt Worm did not have the first barrel that he normally does. He looks like he got a little hung up and wasted a lot of time around it. That is usually his money barrel. The moment I saw them turn first I mentioned to my husband that was definitely not his best first barrel and then when the announcers were all shocked by her time I wasn't. Yes he looked great but I feel that first really wasted some time. It looked like to me a lot of the horses were not 100% confident in the ground and most floated around the barrels instead of really getting down and dirty. Louie didn't safety up at all and just went for it and it paid off. Rootie was wide as well when she normally likes to stay in nice and tight. |
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Location: Texas | 4Horse - 2015-03-02 10:49 AM Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch.
This is exactly why the NFR should not be moved to Dallas from Las Vegas. Being the Thomas and Mack is so exciting. If I can see better on the screen, then I will just stay at home and watch it. |
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| I wish they had taken Trula's run and compared it digitally with one of the top four's run. It would have answered some questions. I really enjoy those comparative runs. |
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| RocketPilot - 2015-03-02 4:18 PM
4Horse - 2015-03-02 10:49 AM Did not have a long alley way have an effect on their times? I did not like the set up in the arena; 2 arenas, all the holding pens in the arena, the spectators seemed so far off I don't know how they saw anything other than on the jumbo TV's. If the only way I could see the action was on the giant TV's I'd stay home and watch.
This is exactly why the NFR should not be moved to Dallas from Las Vegas. Being the Thomas and Mack is so exciting. If I can see better on the screen, then I will just stay at home and watch it.
We were on the second level and were actually surprised how much we could see. A friend of mine has been to the NFR and was with and she said hands down The American is better to watch in person than the NFR.
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Location: Beggs, OK | 3 To Go - 2015-03-02 9:58 AM streakysox - 2015-03-01 8:26 PM You could see the shock on Trula Churchil's face. These girls run enough to know how their horses should clock. Fallon's run smoked and her time was way off too. These were not the only ones. Surely they had more than one timer. There definately was a difference there. With the ground deep, sandy and hard to push off of and a horse as ratey as Worm you will not be fast. I couldn't help but notice the larger than normal pockets he had at all the barrels going into them, especially the second. He was not moving across the arena like Louie and the time reflected it.
Fallon's mare shook her head on the first and was slow coming around it....Worm ran safe and didn't fire like he can. There were several that were off the pace when their horses ran in there and felt the ground.
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I don't think the barrels were placed wrong. They were looking for the stake in the third drag, not the second. When they super imposed the two runs, it showed the barrels placed properly. Sharin Hall from the first drag and Jackie Jatzlau from the second drag. I wish they would have done that for more of the barrel racers. Really neat feature.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Just Bring It - 2015-03-02 3:53 PM Ok well back to the original post...I felt Worm did not have the first barrel that he normally does. He looks like he got a little hung up and wasted a lot of time around it. That is usually his money barrel. The moment I saw them turn first I mentioned to my husband that was definitely not his best first barrel and then when the announcers were all shocked by her time I wasn't. Yes he looked great but I feel that first really wasted some time. It looked like to me a lot of the horses were not 100% confident in the ground and most floated around the barrels instead of really getting down and dirty. Louie didn't safety up at all and just went for it and it paid off. Rootie was wide as well when she normally likes to stay in nice and tight.
I agree, her first barrel wasn't good and then he kind of lugged across the pen. 2nd and 3rd were nice, but he had already lost the time and couldn't make it up. |
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