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Location: In The Land of Cotton | I breed a couple every year. If I want to make sure that I get the guaranteed price, I send my money then. Thus, I am locked in with the current price. Things change and things happen to studs etc. One year I was booked and the horse died two weeks before the breeding.
My default baby just happens to have the "current" baby's daddy you are probably talking about. LOL. The only time I have been lucky.
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  Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | 3canstorun - 2015-03-04 10:33 AM I breed a couple every year. If I want to make sure that I get the guaranteed price, I send my money then. Thus, I am locked in with the current price. Things change and things happen to studs etc. One year I was booked and the horse died two weeks before the breeding.
My default baby just happens to have the "current" baby's daddy you are probably talking about. LOL. The only time I have been lucky.
The stallion they are probably talking about's stud fee was low for what he is accomplishing this year. His foals are going to go up in value. I wish I had locked him in at $1500. I'm sure not mad at the owner though. He's worth every penny of the raised stud fee imo. |
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Location: Kansas | LRQHS - 2015-03-04 10:38 AM 3canstorun - 2015-03-04 10:33 AM I breed a couple every year. If I want to make sure that I get the guaranteed price, I send my money then. Thus, I am locked in with the current price. Things change and things happen to studs etc. One year I was booked and the horse died two weeks before the breeding.
My default baby just happens to have the "current" baby's daddy you are probably talking about. LOL. The only time I have been lucky.
The stallion they are probably talking about's stud fee was low for what he is accomplishing this year. His foals are going to go up in value. I wish I had locked him in at $1500. I'm sure not mad at the owner though. He's worth every penny of the raised stud fee imo.
what stud is it? |
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 Queen Boobie 2
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| It is kinda BS to raise it in mid year, though. Their horse, they can do what they want and accept the risk of running off potential customers.
I am out of the loop, anyone want to PM me the stud that raised his fee mid season? |
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Location: Kentucky | hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-04 11:39 AM LRQHS - 2015-03-04 10:38 AM 3canstorun - 2015-03-04 10:33 AM I breed a couple every year. If I want to make sure that I get the guaranteed price, I send my money then. Thus, I am locked in with the current price. Things change and things happen to studs etc. One year I was booked and the horse died two weeks before the breeding.
My default baby just happens to have the "current" baby's daddy you are probably talking about. LOL. The only time I have been lucky.
The stallion they are probably talking about's stud fee was low for what he is accomplishing this year. His foals are going to go up in value. I wish I had locked him in at $1500. I'm sure not mad at the owner though. He's worth every penny of the raised stud fee imo.
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 That's White "Man" to You
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| Nobody complains when a stud temporarily lowers the stud fee in the middle of a season like Slick By Design did with their Early Bird Special last year. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | The daddy of Nancy's foal......does that help? lol |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | I remimber when both Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy were both way less then half of what they are now. |
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | ThreeCorners - 2015-03-04 10:42 AM I remimber when both Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy were both way less then half of what they are now.
How about Corona Cartel? |
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Location: Washington | I always enjoy looking at stallions on the market that shouldn't be on the market.
Proven stallions big bang for the buck......
Unproven young stallions you get what you paid for and hopefully you get a barn burner, but your taking a gamble.
First year proven stallion, all aboard will probably reproduce their ability.
Older unproven stallions..... why?
Stallions who got hurt...depends how they got hurt...
To answer the OP question, Upping fee's during a breeding season IMHO is bad for business. Might be better off calling the stallions book full, which the owners of stallions should have.
Now with everything I have said above, the same goes for mares. AND if I had a nice stallion and a mare owner contacts me with a mare with zero going for her why would you breed it....but we see it time and time again. If I am out to prove my stallion I would give incentives for proven mares, and I would be picking up the phone and calling those mare owners to cut a deal. I did this for years in the T/B industry it was my job.
SO for those who are losing money with their stallions, might want to look at your program.
Flame away.....lol
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | You just saw him in The American.....maybe..... |
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Location: Kansas | LRQHS - 2015-03-04 10:42 AM The daddy of Nancy's foal......does that help? lol
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | Murphy - 2015-03-04 10:40 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2015-03-04 11:39 AM LRQHS - 2015-03-04 10:38 AM 3canstorun - 2015-03-04 10:33 AM I breed a couple every year. If I want to make sure that I get the guaranteed price, I send my money then. Thus, I am locked in with the current price. Things change and things happen to studs etc. One year I was booked and the horse died two weeks before the breeding.
My default baby just happens to have the "current" baby's daddy you are probably talking about. LOL. The only time I have been lucky.
The stallion they are probably talking about's stud fee was low for what he is accomplishing this year. His foals are going to go up in value. I wish I had locked him in at $1500. I'm sure not mad at the owner though. He's worth every penny of the raised stud fee imo.
You must be talking Streaking Ta Fame. |
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Location: Kentucky | Streaking Ta Fame?
I can see why they raised his fee. But I agree with FatChance... not great business. But people will pay it. Those who got contracts in before the upp'd fee should be glad. |
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 You get what you give
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Location: Texas | Also, I will add.. if you see a stallion who you like, and they increase their fee mid year.. Usually if you just ask them they will explain themselves and it makes sense. I saw one and at first was like, well that't not cool... got my information and it totally makes sense to me and I agreed with their decision. |
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Undercover Amish Mafia Member
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Location: Kansas | Murphy - 2015-03-04 10:45 AM Streaking Ta Fame?
I can see why they raised his fee. But I agree with FatChance... not great business. But people will pay it. Those who got contracts in before the upp'd fee should be glad.
agreed. He is one hunk of a stud though!!! |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | fatchance - 2015-03-04 10:43 AM I always enjoy looking at stallions on the market that shouldn't be on the market.
Proven stallions big bang for the buck......
Unproven young stallions you get what you paid for and hopefully you get a barn burner, but your taking a gamble.
First year proven stallion, all aboard will probably reproduce their ability.
Older unproven stallions..... why?
Stallions who got hurt...depends how they got hurt...
To answer the OP question, Upping fee's during a breeding season IMHO is bad for business. Might be better off calling the stallions book full, which the owners of stallions should have.
Now with everything I have said above, the same goes for mares. AND if I had a nice stallion and a mare owner contacts me with a mare with zero going for her why would you breed it....but we see it time and time again. If I am out to prove my stallion I would give incentives for proven mares, and I would be picking up the phone and calling those mare owners to cut a deal. I did this for years in the T/B industry it was my job.
SO for those who are losing money with their stallions, might want to look at your program.
Flame away.....lol
 Well said on ALL points!! I agree 100% |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | To the original poster, if there is a signed contract with booking fee paid, you bet I'd be mad. I stand by my contract for the entire length of the contract (2 years). After that if costs or stud fees have gone up, it's my right to set my fees anywhere I want.
A bit of a rant of my own: I once looked into breeding to a horse that is now one of the elites the first year he stood. The contract allowed for the owners to raise the stud fee mid contract if they wanted to and I would have to pay the difference. I didn't breed to that stallion.
2014: I signed a contract with one place that was standing a stallion. One mare got in foal and lost it. It happens. Not their fault. However, they moved him back to his owners place and they are not standing behind the contract I signed. I get a rebreed but the shipping fees are more. I don't think that's right. What's the point of a contract if they can change the terms mid contract? You can bet I'll remember this outfit. 
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Shipwrecked and Flat Out Zapped
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | I can answer about losing money.
I don't need to look at my program. I lose money because I give and I am happy doing that. That, and I haven't bred him out until this year.
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | I have seen alot of GREAT performing stallions be duds in the sire dept. Raising ones fee mid season because he himself did good reciently is bad business. Firewaterontherocks was in the exact same spot last year. He would have WON The American had he not pulled the third over leaving it, yet even with the downed third was still second. . Yes, Robyn raised his stud fee, but she did it for THIS year and not just because he himself did good. His foals are just now starting to hit the arena and he already has 3 over the $100,000 earnings mark!!!
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