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| I know this topic is on horse representation and not about aging a horse. However I can't help from putting a few thoughts in on the aging of a horse. Anything over the age of 12 is a total estimate. The "cups" of the teeth are the only true way of aging. You can not go off of wear. If I showed a 14 gelding who lived his whole life in New Mexico. His teeth would look extremely wore compared to a horse that lived out his 14 years in Iowa. The sand in New Mexico wore his teeth faster. In this day and age you can't be fore sure where a horse has lived his life. Exspecially a grade horse. All ANY vet can do is guess. |
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Location: Central Montana | EqualRanch - 2015-03-10 3:22 PM To the OP, I would feel the exact same way. Yes, there will always be people who lie and have no morals, but it's hard to sit back and watch someone lie - especially when it's a "close to home" type thing.
It's a shame that we do have to beware of so much and can't take people at their word anymore.
If you have proof, texts, etc. wait until the horse is sold and turn the info over to the new owner. The new owner can pursue it in court of she/he so chooses. |
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Location: In my own little world | I would be sending a PM to the person who put the horse up for sale mentioning you saw the ad on the horse for sale and was wondering if she was aware that the horse was actually 14, not 19 and a duplicate set of papers could be obtained from AQHA. That way they would certainly be aware that someone was on to them and perhaps deter them from shady practices. But I'm a little bold that way and don't care for someone who will lie so it doesn't bother me to call them out if Ifor sure know the truth. |
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| I guess I can understand the change of age, but why the change to grade if he's registered? Seems like that would help her sell him. Do his papers have a history of HYPP or something? |
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Location: Finally horseback again.... | cheryl makofka - 2015-03-10 10:24 AM rodeomom13 - 2015-03-10 10:15 AM Simple. The potential buyer should get a vet check. Any vet worth a pinch of poop could tell that he's 19, not 14. Then the potential buyer can call her out on the lie.
One of my biggest pet peeves is dishonest sellers, but you can't fix stupid, so it falls on buyer beware. I was told once after the age of 12 no person can really with accuracy determine the age of a horse.
Who ever told you that lied... LOL.
Dentition is pretty accurate up into a horses 20s. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Just Plain Lucky - 2015-03-11 7:43 AM I guess I can understand the change of age, but why the change to grade if he's registered? Seems like that would help her sell him. Do his papers have a history of HYPP or something?
Because the registration papers will prove his age as 19 and not 14. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I bought a "20 year old" horse for my daughter. Was told his papers were lost, but that wasn't important to me. Opened the envelope with his coggins papers on the way home--coggins said he was 22, the copy of his AQHA papers I didn't know I was getting said he was 24. Not that it mattered because he was what my daughter needed, but I wouldn't have paid as much if I had known. Asked the seller why she told me the wrong age and she said she couldn't remember how old he was and had told me he was "in his 20s", not 20. Whatever, chicky, even your ad said 20. He's 27 now and we still have him...he's probably the soundest horse here. LOL |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-03-11 9:32 AM
Just Plain Lucky - 2015-03-11 7:43 AM I guess I can understand the change of age, but why the change to grade if he's registered? Seems like that would help her sell him. Do his papers have a history of HYPP or something?
Because the registration papers will prove his age as 19 and not 14.
Well, duh, Just Plain Lucky! |
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | ropenrun - 2015-03-11 1:09 AM I would be sending a PM to the person who put the horse up for sale mentioning you saw the ad on the horse for sale and was wondering if she was aware that the horse was actually 14, not 19 and a duplicate set of papers could be obtained from AQHA. That way they would certainly be aware that someone was on to them and perhaps deter them from shady practices. But I'm a little bold that way and don't care for someone who will lie so it doesn't bother me to call them out if Ifor sure know the truth.
As soon as I saw the "ad" on FB, I posted a message asking her about it and she immediately took the ad off FB and "unfriended" me. I don't think she would have done that if there wasn't something erroneous.
The horse had no Impressive behind him...fantastic running and barrel racing pedigree in fact......as I mentioned before, I think that selling the horse as grade, without papers, would only be so it could be sold as 14 rather than coming 20. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | smmthbr - 2015-03-11 9:59 AM ropenrun - 2015-03-11 1:09 AM I would be sending a PM to the person who put the horse up for sale mentioning you saw the ad on the horse for sale and was wondering if she was aware that the horse was actually 14, not 19 and a duplicate set of papers could be obtained from AQHA. That way they would certainly be aware that someone was on to them and perhaps deter them from shady practices. But I'm a little bold that way and don't care for someone who will lie so it doesn't bother me to call them out if Ifor sure know the truth. As soon as I saw the "ad" on FB, I posted a message asking her about it and she immediately took the ad off FB and "unfriended" me. I don't think she would have done that if there wasn't something erroneous.
The horse had no Impressive behind him...fantastic running and barrel racing pedigree in fact......as I mentioned before, I think that selling the horse as grade, without papers, would only be so it could be sold as 14 rather than coming 20.
Wow.... Smh....
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| wrong is wrong is wrong. Yes, it is buyer beware but since when is it the buyers responsibility to make the seller honest? That's like saying its the banks fault for getting robbed because the robber got away with it! |
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| I've never had a vet age a horse in a vet check unless I asked, so even if they vet check that may not come up. |
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Location: Online | quikchik - 2015-03-11 6:54 PM I've never had a vet age a horse in a vet check unless I asked, so even if they vet check that may not come up.
I think if it's an older grade horse and the sellers say they "think" it's 15, having the vet look isn't a bad idea. With my deal, we just wanted to know. We were going to buy the horse anyway. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | RoaniePonie11 - 2015-03-11 7:45 PM wrong is wrong is wrong. Yes, it is buyer beware but since when is it the buyers responsibility to make the seller honest? That's like saying its the banks fault for getting robbed because the robber got away with it!
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Location: Driving, Grooming, or Saddling for a Kid! | eh it happens....all the time. Its not the buyers responsability to make the seller honest but it is the buyer's responsability to protect themselves. And the best way to do that is to educate yourself (which is the buyers responsability) or surround yourself with educated people that wont let you get "robbed". |
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Location: Woodstown, NJ | I'm appalled too. Sadly, this happens all the time. You will notice a lot of "teenaged" horses mysteriously with no papers. |
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Location: Being pushed over the edge, NM | smmthbr - 2015-03-11 7:59 AM ropenrun - 2015-03-11 1:09 AM I would be sending a PM to the person who put the horse up for sale mentioning you saw the ad on the horse for sale and was wondering if she was aware that the horse was actually 14, not 19 and a duplicate set of papers could be obtained from AQHA. That way they would certainly be aware that someone was on to them and perhaps deter them from shady practices. But I'm a little bold that way and don't care for someone who will lie so it doesn't bother me to call them out if Ifor sure know the truth. As soon as I saw the "ad" on FB, I posted a message asking her about it and she immediately took the ad off FB and "unfriended" me. I don't think she would have done that if there wasn't something erroneous.
The horse had no Impressive behind him...fantastic running and barrel racing pedigree in fact......as I mentioned before, I think that selling the horse as grade, without papers, would only be so it could be sold as 14 rather than coming 20.
I think you're absolutely right to be upset, and I am constantly appalled at the lengths people will go to to make a buck. Of course we're in the minority; it seems people are more willing to turn a blind eye, try to justify fraud (yes, that's what it is) or simply don't care if they can somehow benefit from it. Hell, a very famous and now very popular barrel racer is an old hand at this and God forbid someone mention it. |
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