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Location: Got Lobsta? | I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust? |
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Location: IL | FLITASTIC - 2015-03-19 10:27 AM LMS - 2015-03-19 8:17 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-03-18 8:56 PM merdth6 - 2015-03-18 1:23 PM FLITASTIC - 2015-03-18 1:57 PM Just looked it up, its the "Succeed" kit that has to be purchased from vets Yes, thru the vet and yes it's made by succeed! I got results same day. The vet actually runs the test. My vet just got back to me. She said she won't use the fecal test because it is very unreliable. Notice who makes the fecal test. Succeed. Look who produces one of the most expensive Ulcer prevent supplements on the market. Succeed.
Well all I have to say is I did the fecal test on 2 horses and it was much cheaper than trying to scope. My gelding tested positive for fore and hindgut, my mare only tested positive for hind. My gelding was treated with 30 days of omeprazole and 30 days with equishure from KER. I couldn't believe the difference in him. He looked great and ran the fastest ever. I went from averaging in the 3D to solid 2D and hitting 1D. My mare is just starting but I put her on Equishure from KER for 30 days and her belly tucked up real nice and she wasn't irritated and much calmer to ride. So my experience with the test was a good one and I would use it again if I thought there was a problem. It seemed to help me resolve my issues. Since being diagnosed I have switched all of our horses to Forco and I'm really liking that product also. Equishure is a great product but it is expensive. |
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Location: Its Freaking Freezing Up Here... | I have a mare who I have known had ulcers since last spring. I have spent sooo much money on the generic omeprazole from the vet and although it helped, it definitely never cured. I finally bit the bullet and bought 14 tubes of Gastroguard. Symptoms have all gone away. So it's worth the money. |
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Location: Its Freaking Freezing Up Here... | I have a mare who I have known had ulcers since last spring. I have spent sooo much money on the generic omeprazole from the vet and although it helped, it definitely never cured. I finally bit the bullet and bought 14 tubes of Gastroguard. Symptoms have all gone away. So it's worth the money. |
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Location: Winging It in KY | FLITASTIC - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM gagrl - 2015-03-19 6:41 AM $60 for the gallon size last 1 horse up to 2 months. Use coupon code cockk for 10% off and free shipping! I keep all my riding horses on this as a preventative and weight. Helps with the nervous nellies too.
Ulser Shield
Ulser Shield begins to neutralize acid on contact.
A mucosal protector, Magnesium and Calcium form a barrier over the mucosal lining. Calcium Carbonate reduces the acidity of the stomach and helps promote proper digestion and nutrient absorption. Polydimenthylsiloxane, an anti-gas, helps reduce trapped air in mucous, which may be associated with equine ulsers.
If your horse displays poor appetite, mild to severe colic, poor condition, attitude changes and poor training performance, you may be seeing the early signs of an ulcer. Add Ulser Shield to your horses daily diet and early treatment may prevent the use of Gastro Guard. Ulser Shield is a marvelous maintenance for horses following a course of Gastro Guard.
INGREDIENTS:
Preservatives
Magnesium Oxide
Calcium Carbonate
Polydimethylsiloxane
New Size!
Available by the quart ($20.00), half gallon ($35.00) or gallon $60.00 I saw it can be used every day. Doesn't a horse need acids to break down food? WOuldnt the calcium and magnesium actually block nutrient absorption if used over a long period of time? I bet this product would be awesome to use on race day or for nervous horses when hauling. Anyone else use it every day?
Anybody use this? I would like to know if you like it? |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 10:44 AM I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust?
You can trust me! See my post today for Omeprazole Research. |
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| I personally have not used the fecal but my vet recommended it. I am game to try as it is cheaper than scoping and scoping is not 100% positive either (I don't think...?). At the end of the day you have to do what works for you. My vet did say I need to make sure my horse is worm free as worms can give a false positive. Currently getting a fecal done on that and then in 2 weeks will do the ulcer test fecal. |
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Location: North Dakota | Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 10:44 AM I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust?
This is why I won't use it:
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2014/ucm421133.htm |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-03-20 9:41 AM
Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 10:44 AM I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust?
They are still selling it cause I have bought it in the last couple weeks and it really works well for my horses. LOL I wonder how they keep selling it with FDA warning? Why didnt they get a warning letter for Pentosan etc? |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 8:44 AM I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust?
Me too! There are sooo many different drugs out there for ulcers. Not sure who is telling the truth and who isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg. I just stick to GastroPLUS and it has worked well for me. |
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2015-03-20 11:50 AM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-03-20 9:41 AM Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 10:44 AM I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust? They are still selling it cause I have bought it in the last couple weeks and it really works well for my horses. LOL I wonder how they keep selling it with FDA warning? Why didnt they get a warning letter for Pentosan etc?
Ive dealt with FDA for the last 12 years. you are given 3 warning letters before being withdrawn from the market. Granted there are definite items on their inspections that IMMEDIATELY remove you from the market. If you read the entire letter, you will see that there is a process to take to remain in compliance:
You should notify this office, in writing, within fifteen (15) working days of the receipt of this letter ofthe steps you have taken to bring your firm into compliance with the law. Your response should include any documentation necessary to show that correction has been achieved. If corrective action cannot be completed within fifteen (15) working days, state the reason for the delay and the date by which the corrections will be completed. Include copies of any available documentation demonstrating that corrections have been made.
If you look deep enough even Merial has had FDA warning letters for some of their products:
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2005/ucm076029.htm
Funny these letters showed up today, I was just reviewing them, I've always been a little hesitant about horseprerace simply because their prices were not good enough for me to go to them and now that they are cheaper, I'm not sure if I will go with them or not. The one thing that does bother me is the fact that the tube of omeprazole that the fda tested was only 68% of label claim.
Science tells me Omeprazole is Omeprazole, but you have to trust the ones that are making it to actually put enough of the drug into the tube for it to work. |
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2015-03-20 11:50 AM
WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-03-20 9:41 AM
Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 10:44 AM I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust?
They are still selling it cause I have bought it in the last couple weeks and it really works well for my horses. LOL I wonder how they keep selling it with FDA warning? Why didnt they get a warning letter for Pentosan etc?
TBH I'm not sure how it all works when there is an FDA warning and why they can continue to sell it? Maybe DJG can offer some insight, as I believe he went through something similar?
I was just cruising around yesterday after looking at this thread and wondering what the difference btwn this and Ulcergard actually is because when you compare them side by side they look like the same thing according to the websites. Same amount of grams, just a tremendous price difference. I'll be honest it was lookingvery appealing to me and then I found this article and the part that really concerned me was this:
In addition, testing by FDA of samples of the drug Omeprazole Oral Paste revealed that the amount of active ingredient (omeprazole) in the drug did not correspond with the amount represented on the labeling. Specifically, the drug was found to be sub-potent at 68.1% of the label claim for potency.
I know its a random sample, but still.
I've discussed it with my vet and we both feel it would be best to go the Ulcergard route for my horse and my situation at this time:)
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| gagrl - 2015-03-19 10:16 AM
FLITASTIC - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM
gagrl - 2015-03-19 6:41 AM
$60 for the gallon size last 1 horse up to 2 months. Use coupon code cockk for 10% off and free shipping! I keep all my riding horses on this as a preventative and weight. Helps with the nervous nellies too.
Ulser Shield Ulser Shield begins to neutralize acid on contact.A mucosal protector, Magnesium and Calcium form a barrier over the mucosal lining. Calcium Carbonate reduces the acidity of the stomach and helps promote proper digestion and nutrient absorption. Polydimenthylsiloxane, an anti-gas, helps reduce trapped air in mucous, which may be associated with equine ulsers.If your horse displays poor appetite, mild to severe colic, poor condition, attitude changes and poor training performance, you may be seeing the early signs of an ulcer. Add Ulser Shield to your horses daily diet and early treatment may prevent the use of Gastro Guard. Ulser Shield is a marvelous maintenance for horses following a course of Gastro Guard.INGREDIENTS:Preservatives
Magnesium Oxide
Calcium Carbonate
Polydimethylsiloxane New Size!
Available by the quart ($20.00), half gallon ($35.00) or gallon $60.00
I saw it can be used every day. Doesn't a horse need acids to break down food? WOuldnt the calcium and magnesium actually block nutrient absorption if used over a long period of time? I bet this product would be awesome to use on race day or for nervous horses when hauling. Anyone else use it every day? I use it everyday. Double dose race days or hauling. It creates a mucosa lining in the stomach to buffer acids
How does this create mucosal lining, as the product doesn't say it does, if you are a dealer that can be interpreted at false advertising.
All I see is a stomach soother.
I would like to see the research on the long term use, physically and physiologically, including serum calcium levels (can be detrimental to cardiac output if the ca levels are above the normal range) |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-03-20 1:27 PM
FLITASTIC - 2015-03-20 11:50 AM
WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2015-03-20 9:41 AM
Mainer-racer - 2015-03-19 10:44 AM I get worried about the generic version. I read that they have done tests on the generics that show as low as 5% of omeprazole as it is not FDA regulated. Love to save the money but also want all the ingredients. Who to trust?
They are still selling it cause I have bought it in the last couple weeks and it really works well for my horses. LOL I wonder how they keep selling it with FDA warning? Why didnt they get a warning letter for Pentosan etc?
TBH I'm not sure how it all works when there is an FDA warning and why they can continue to sell it? Maybe DJG can offer some insight, as I believe he went through something similar?
I was just cruising around yesterday after looking at this thread and wondering what the difference btwn this and Ulcergard actually is because when you compare them side by side they look like the same thing according to the websites. Same amount of grams, just a tremendous price difference. I'll be honest it was lookingvery appealing to me and then I found this article and the part that really concerned me was this:
In addition, testing by FDA of samples of the drug Omeprazole Oral Paste revealed that the amount of active ingredient (omeprazole ) in the drug did not correspond with the amount represented on the labeling. Specifically, the drug was found to be sub-potent at 68.1% of the label claim for potency.
I know its a random sample, but still.
I've discussed it with my vet and we both feel it would be best to go the Ulcergard route for my horse and my situation at this time: )
The difference is one paid for all the FDA regulated crap and one didn't. DJG can tell you it cost a lot of $$$$$ for a product to become FDA regulated. The big struggle with horse ulcer meds is money hungry Merial put a patent on the delivery agent that buffers the omeprazole so it can make it back around to the stomach cells via the bloodstream. Basically say thanks to Merial and the FDA for charging us outrageous amounts of $$$ for meds that cost pennies to make.
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| Got it, well the letter was written by the FDA 4-5 months ago. SO they haven't issued the second letter yet apparently? It doesnt surprise me it was only 68% of label. I was using it as pre hauling preventative. That amount probably just worked well for my horses. It doesn't hurt them and Im not about to pay 35.00 for tube of ulcerguard. lol |
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Location: Georgia | cheryl makofka - 2015-03-20 1:37 PM gagrl - 2015-03-19 10:16 AM FLITASTIC - 2015-03-19 10:46 AM gagrl - 2015-03-19 6:41 AM $60 for the gallon size last 1 horse up to 2 months. Use coupon code cockk for 10% off and free shipping! I keep all my riding horses on this as a preventative and weight. Helps with the nervous nellies too.
Ulser Shield Ulser Shield begins to neutralize acid on contact.A mucosal protector, Magnesium and Calcium form a barrier over the mucosal lining. Calcium Carbonate reduces the acidity of the stomach and helps promote proper digestion and nutrient absorption. Polydimenthylsiloxane, an anti-gas, helps reduce trapped air in mucous, which may be associated with equine ulsers.If your horse displays poor appetite, mild to severe colic, poor condition, attitude changes and poor training performance, you may be seeing the early signs of an ulcer. Add Ulser Shield to your horses daily diet and early treatment may prevent the use of Gastro Guard. Ulser Shield is a marvelous maintenance for horses following a course of Gastro Guard.INGREDIENTS:Preservatives
Magnesium Oxide
Calcium Carbonate
Polydimethylsiloxane New Size!
Available by the quart ($20.00), half gallon ($35.00) or gallon $60.00 I saw it can be used every day. Doesn't a horse need acids to break down food? WOuldnt the calcium and magnesium actually block nutrient absorption if used over a long period of time? I bet this product would be awesome to use on race day or for nervous horses when hauling. Anyone else use it every day? I use it everyday. Double dose race days or hauling. It creates a barrier in the stomach to buffer acids How does this create mucosal lining, as the product doesn't say it does, if you are a dealer that can be interpreted at false advertising. All I see is a stomach soother. I would like to see the research on the long term use, physically and physiologically, including serum calcium levels (can be detrimental to cardiac output if the ca levels are above the normal range )
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Location: North Dakota | so, after thinking about this for a couple hours I have to share some really funny insight......we are concerned more about our horses health in regards to FDA regulations than we are our own health, I know for a fact almost every person I know has taken a vitamin or supplement that is not FDA regulated. Go home and look in your medicine cabinet, I bet you would be surprised how many supplements have no governing body......good enough to go into our own bodies but not into our horses. 
I think that is a funny way to look at this whole thing.
I would say that all of these non regulated drugs, while not always effective, they sure aren't harmful, otherwise they would kill off their patients and no one would buy their products anymore.
Also, can someone post a link to the science or reasearch behind ulcergards "magic additive" that makes it better than plain omeprazole?
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Location: North Dakota | Ok so this is a whole new, confusing world to me. Ulcer guard and GastroGuard are brands of products for treating ulcers. Omeprazole is the medicine inside them in varying amounts? Am I right? |
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Location: North Dakota | Yes, just like advil is the name brand of a drug called ibuprofen.
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2015-03-20 1:28 PM
Ok so this is a whole new, confusing world to me. Ulcer guard and GastroGuard are brands of products for treating ulcers. Omeprazole is the medicine inside them in varying amounts? Am I right?
Omeprazole is the active ingredient in Gastroguard/Ulcerguard. Ulcerguard and gastroguard are made by the same company, and are IDENTICAL to one another. Only difference is ulcerguard is labeled to be given in 1/4 tube doses and gastroguard is labeled for 1 complete tube daily to TREAT ulcers. Gastro (1/4 dose) prevents them. You technically need a vets prescription to give your horse the ENTIRE tube at once ( Gastroguard). Hope that helps! |
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