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| arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM
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Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck.
I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason.
It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
Do this if you want a cut tongue and a vet bill to boot, and don't really care about your horse and see them as disposable. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse.
There are plenty of ways you could have fixed your horse, you just didn't know how and your trainer wasn't much better. |
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| Fairweather - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out.
Do this if you want a cut tongue and a vet bill to boot, and don't really care about your horse and see them as disposable.
In guess run out was not the word I should have used - but you have to make an impression on the horse backing crisply outside the trailer for it to work on the trailer - my horse was no worse for the ware and I felt pretty stupid turning him around for 6 years when it was such a simple fix - but like I said do what you want try whispering in his ear or say pretty please maybe then he decide he will back out ... |
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| LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM
fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:17 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. Ha you must have a ****ty trainer ...
What in the world are you talking about Person?!!!!
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Location: Midwest | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:17 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. Ha you must have a ****ty trainer ...
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:17 PM LRQHS - 2015-03-30 4:12 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM arion - 2015-03-30 4:06 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. That sounds like a fabulous2006 way to have a big wreck. I typically don't want my horses running backwards for any reason. It took 5 minutes to fix my horse - he needed to be more worried about backing up when I turned around instead of stepping off - he did not run out either - I don't care what you do I am simply telling you what fixed my horse. Ha you must have a ****ty trainer ...
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We don't teach them to load and unload with force or "ripping" their face? We make it a good experience and it doesn't take long. No one is whispering sweetly in their ears. |
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Location: East Tennessee but who knows?! | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:16 PM Fairweather - 2015-03-30 4:09 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 3:51 PM Put a big bit in his month (outside the trailer) make him stay behind you turn around and if he's not backing up crisply just buy you turning around rip his face - do it over and over again until when you turn around he is running backwards - when he runs backwards as soon as you turn around - load him up with the big bit - when he's in the trainer turn around he should run out. Do this if you want a cut tongue and a vet bill to boot, and don't really care about your horse and see them as disposable. In guess run out was not the word I should have used - but you have to make an impression on the horse backing crisply outside the trailer for it to work on the trailer - my horse was no worse for the ware and I felt pretty stupid turning him around for 6 years when it was such a simple fix - but like I said do what you want try whispering in his ear or say pretty please maybe then he decide he will back out ...
People ask too much too soon because they don't know how to read horses to begin with. Then they think just because a horse gets on a trailer they know how to load and they're they're suddenly surprised when the horse has issues with coming off.
It's simply because they were never taught how to load right to begin with. It's not an unloading problem. It's not training the horse to load right in the first place and giving them time to tell you they're alright with asking for that next step and being patient in the initial process.
Everybody wants a quick fix on their time. If you want that, then you don't need horses, Imo.
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| Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. |
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FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way...... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
I think you better take a deep breath and dont need to be name calling on here. I dont see stupid in any bodys answers. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine. Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way......
Stupid might be turning your horse around in the trailer for SIX years because you can't teach it to back out...... |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:26 PM FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way. Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
ONE....no where do I see stupidity abound except in YOUR posts....soooo, it worked on THAT horse....does that make it the correct way to train a horse...NO.....but then again, if the horse is as stupid as his owner, he probably did need mouth jerked off......... |
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| FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:28 PM
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FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way......
I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out. |
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| JR_Horses - 2015-03-30 11:59 AM
Had her a couple months have been turning her around. Which she can do in my bumper pull. Took my LQ this weekend. Got her off at the show after some coaxing got home last night and cant get her off.
maybe her hocks hurt. We had one in a straight load and it took 4 big guys 4 hours to get him out. The girl who's horse it was failed to mention that his hocks were bad and needed a ramp and to be able to turn around and walk out. Poor horse. |
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| I've run the lead rope from the halter through there legs and had them back... This has helped me... I have also put the bridle on with long reins and had them back... Sometimes the bit helps them to understand better than just yanking on the halter.
eta I do like the water hose to the face thing too... ALTHOUGH not sure would work on Ace as he LOVES the water!
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| fabulous2006 - 2015-03-30 4:32 PM
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FlyingJT - 2015-03-30 4:25 PM
Oh goodness, it's getting crazy!!! Now I do agree sometime we have to be assertive and get a little ruff to make a point, but putting a bit in one's mouth and ripping it's face off isn't going to teach one to back off the trailer. It's going to teach one to blow up off the trailer. All of mine will back a mile off a trailer if it were that long. A couple you can't make turn around, they'll just back faster. If the mare was mine I'd have lost my patience already, I will admit. I probably would have already gotten the buggy whip and the stud chain and we would have had a lesson. The stud chain isn't to use against the mare but to keep her from running me over. If it took fifty baby steps back and a big push out the back that's what it would take. once you can get her back end off she'll go the rest of the way. Then you can start the process of teaching her to back off the right way.
Are you guys just stupid - I told you it worked can you read - if you don't want to do it that's fine.
Maybe not stupid enough, because I can't understand how you could think that was the right way......
I spent 6 years turning this horse around because I couldn't get him to back out - he was not afraid of the trailer he was not nervous in fact he was very laid back - my trainer saw me turning him around and fixed him in 5 minutes and he stayed fixed - if you don't like how he did it that's fine - I was more than glad to get the problem fixed and wished I had done it 6 years earlier and was also shocked that's all it took . I am not going to comment any more you guys just ask pretty please and maybe the op will get her horse to back out.
What I don't get is why turning a horse to unload is such a big problem that you would let someone rip their face off to "fix" it? I prefer a horse to back off, but some of them take a pretty hefty stance against it and I don't fight it. If that's their preference I don't let it be a big deal. When I have one that won't back out I never put them in the last hole, that's my solution. If that's stupid, then I guess I am stupid, but at least my horses like me (BTW there is NEVER a good reason to rip at a horse's mouth, even if it did "work".....We need to treat our horse's with a little bit more respect than that) |
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