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| Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 2:28 PM
Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
This response from Nutrena ****es me off. I got the exact same one back in February. But when I asked for a copy of their HCAPP plan, nothing. They want to give themselves kudo's but they won't give out the proof. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | SKM my problem with their testing is - What is their "acceptable" level? While I hold firm that it should be ZERO, I'm afraid that is not the case. It sure isn't the case with ADM. ADM has stated that they consider anything under 1.4ppm to be of no concern. Then they completely contradict themselves with a calculation stating that it would take a horse eating 893# of feed with trace amounts of an ionophore for it to be toxic.
This information will have to be spread via social media and word of mouth for years to reach as many people as possible. In order to make commercially produced feed safer for everyone horse owners MUST stop supporting the companies that refuse to separate their medicated feed facilities. |
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| I agree Rach. Sugar coated crap is still crap and these feed companies seem to think the general public is too stupid to read between the lines. I really hope people start boycotting them. It simply is not worth the risk. |
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| are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again.. |
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Location: Here | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM
are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
Yes I posted the link to that thread on this post earlier on this thread. |
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Location: Here | Three*C*Champs - 2015-04-01 3:28 PM
Just to share, here is Nutrena response:
We do not have monensin/rumensin in our OKC facility, however lasalocid may be used, that is true. Monensin toxicity levels are about 20x the levels for lasalocid.
Anywhere that we use either, we utilize FDA approved Good Manufacturing practices to eliminate the risk, in addition to HACCP, which is used to manage risks associated with the production of our animal foods. HACCP stands for “Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point,” a systematic, preventive approach to food safety that addresses physical, chemical and biological hazards. HACCP is not required in the animal feed industry, but it is mandated in four areas of food for human consumption (fish and seafood, juice processing, poultry, and meat).
These process include residue testing on batches of feed made after use of any medications in our facility, and subsequent rejection of loads that have residue levels detected.
That's basically what Gorman said too. Bs is what I call on it. Zero. That is the only acceptable |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
I tried the Perform on some of mine, switched from ADM Patriot and we don't have many options here. One mare was having tummy aches after she ate it, just mixing a little in with her old feed. The other 2 I tried feeding it to don't like it and don't clean their buckets. From what I've been reading, I don't want to deal with Nutrena anyway, although they haven't piffed me off with their reaction as badly as ADM did. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
Woody's is one. Depending on where the Purina in your area comes from - in my area that is another Ionophore FREE feed. |
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Location: East Texas | Murphy - 2015-04-02 6:48 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-01 4:15 PM redmansmyman11 - 2015-04-01 3:09 PM What other feeds have tested for this? I used to feed Triple Crown and Satin Finish. Are those safe? Stopping nutrena tonight 
The scary part is that there are so many things that you would think of before you would suspect your feed being the problem!
I switched to Tribute Kalm N' EZ and both of my mares have done really well on it.
OSU was great when they tested my TC senior. She is actually the one who said she suspected the high sulphur content and went ahead and tested it for me! These are the exact same symptoms my guy had except he almost died. we have been in contact with triple crown, because the feed rep came out and got a sample to test. His reply was " oh our sample came back normal." I completely expected response!!
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Location: SE KS | I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
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Location: Beggs, OK | Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most. |
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Location: SE KS | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-02 2:54 PM
Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most.
Thanks Rach - :)
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Location: In a happy place | When I found the two hunks of cow feed (as big as my foot) in my bags of whole oats from TSC I was told all their feed came from Nutrena. Didn't seem to bother anyone but me. I won't be buying feed there anymore. |
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Location: The Oklahoma plains. | sorrel horse ranch - 2015-04-02 4:11 PM When I found the two hunks of cow feed (as big as my foot) in my bags of whole oats from TSC I was told all their feed came from Nutrena. Didn't seem to bother anyone but me. I won't be buying feed there anymore.
That is likely true. TSC contracts their feeds typically with a national brand. It is a shame since the King owns part of TSC right? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | irun4fun - 2015-04-02 1:32 PM are there any feed companies that do strictly horse feeds I just lost three horses to suspected feed related issues and was going to feed safe choice perform but not if it has a chance of being made behind cattle feed I will not go through that again..
I'm so sorry that you lost 3 horses. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | rachellyn80 - 2015-04-03 12:54 PM
Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most.
Wait, I thought Purina was listed on the safe horse feeds on the facebook page "is my horse feed safe..." Have a friend in Florida that is feeding Ultium.... |
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Location: Here | run n rate - 2015-04-02 5:28 PM rachellyn80 - 2015-04-03 12:54 PM Dinero10 - 2015-04-02 2:44 PM I have been told that the Purina horses feed that comes from St. Joe, MO is Ionophore free and has been for 20 yrs. If the tag says stj and then numbers it is safe. The manager at our local coop just told me. The purina from kansas City is not.
In researching last night - Blue Bonnet feeds from Ardmore is clean. Does everyone agree on this? As I can go buy Purina, or Blue Bonnet which I would have access too.
For what you are experiencing with your boy I would go with Blue Bonnet Omega Force. My horses are responding well to it and it's very cost effective. It's more per bag, but you feed much less than you do any of the other feeds mentioned. It's designed to help with digestive issues. I'm only feeding 8# a day to the one that's getting the most. Wait, I thought Purina was listed on the safe horse feeds on the facebook page "is my horse feed safe..." Have a friend in Florida that is feeding Ultium....
It was but new information has come out that not all mills are ionophore free |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | ARGGG!!! |
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| I was informed that blue seal plant i think in pa the add the cattle additives out side the horse plant, it is not mixed where it could come in contact at any time with horse feed. My feed rep told me this and i dont know about any of the rest. Also triple crown and nutrena come from some of the same plants in the south. Dont know,about southern states feed. I dont know one line ends and other begins.
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