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| FLITASTIC - 2015-04-30 8:02 PM Don't quote me but here in CA I think they have a new rule about the horse breaking down during the race and you don't have to claim. I would need to check. I got my DTF from the racetrack but let's just say I was told to leave the truck running, don't stop even if they wave me down at the gate, don't ask questions and pull up to the back gate at 5AM and you can avoid all that! Lol
Whaa!? You had to do all of this because you claimed your DTF from the track? The owners were thought to not want to sell? Do elaborate lol. |
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Location: north dakota | I had a horse I owned in partnership that we were racing in LA. He was a 4 year old, not LA bred and we had certain distances we thought he would be best in. We had him at our trainers from March till October and were able to only get him in 3 races since we wouldn't put him in a claimer. We had people asking us about selling him so had we put him in we more than likely wouldn't own him.
I have a friend who has claimed 3 nice mares. It helps if you know someone at the track so you can have an idea of the history of the horse. I amost claimed a mare but I found out she had a problem rearing in the gate and most likely was a wobbler or had a different neuro problem. |
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| This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time! Totally brand new information to me. Seems like a very exciting way to purchase a horse.
Is every horse in a claims race "for sale" then? Each and every one could leave with a new owner? Someone said you have to say a price up front, so if someone claims them they pay what you have already asked for them? Is that right?
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| I have claimed a horse one time before. It was pretty strait forward. You put the money in an account at the race office fill out the claims form with a trainer and drop it in the box. We did our research earlier and had her marked on equibase and when we saw her drop in at the number we could afford we made the claim. The value of the race is listed and the horses are entered are for sale at that number.
I too know the rules vary by state but by looking at equibase the horses that are not eligible to be claimed will have a $0 rather than a price next to the entry line I have noticed only in observation from optional claiming races.
I too remember reading something about a claim being void if a horse were to break down in the race in the state of CA. Not sure the details. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | star1218 - 2015-05-01 11:30 AM This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a long time! Totally brand new information to me. Seems like a very exciting way to purchase a horse.
Is every horse in a claims race "for sale" then? Each and every one could leave with a new owner? Someone said you have to say a price up front, so if someone claims them they pay what you have already asked for them? Is that right?
A claiming race runs for a certain price unless they are optional claiming races. For example, in a $5000 claiming race, any horse in that race could be claimed for $5000. In the optional claiming races, the trainer/owner decides if they want to allow that horse to race for a price. It could be an optional claiming race at $20,000. Some horses in could have that price on them, while some couldn't. It's optional. |
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Location: California | I claimed mine 20 years ago off of the fairs. He was running allowance and saw him run at P-Town and got beat by a nose. He was 3 and out of a track record setting JOH mare. I offered $5,000 for him but the trainer was leasing him and said no. So I thought "OK I'll just take him." Had my sister watch the overnights to see when he was going to run him back and I figured for a tag since there wasn't much being offered on the fairs. He had him in for a $3250 claiming price at Vallejo so I went to the Racing Secretary's office the morning of the race with my brother-in-law who is a trainer. We put in the claim under my sister's name as she had an Owner's license as she was running a horse on the fair. I hid out until the race and even then I was way up in the Owner/Trainer section hiding. I was sitting with jockey Roy Yaka. He asked me who I had the tag for and I told him I wasn't going to say as the trainer didn't want to lose him. The only person I told was Bobby Jennings who was working the gates. I told Bobby that the horse was going to win so Bobby put $200 on his nose. The horse broke out of the inside hole and won by 3 lengths going 350 yards. Trainer was handed the card and he was NOT a happy camper. I had a trailer waiting at the test barn. We got out of there like we stold him. He turned into a super nice barrel horse and I still have him. Spoiled and never lost the attitude but I don't care. I would do it again. |
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | NonaY - 2015-05-01 3:46 PM I claimed mine 20 years ago off of the fairs. He was running allowance and saw him run at P-Town and got beat by a nose. He was 3 and out of a track record setting JOH mare. I offered $5,000 for him but the trainer was leasing him and said no. So I thought "OK I'll just take him." Had my sister watch the overnights to see when he was going to run him back and I figured for a tag since there wasn't much being offered on the fairs. He had him in for a $3250 claiming price at Vallejo so I went to the Racing Secretary's office the morning of the race with my brother-in-law who is a trainer. We put in the claim under my sister's name as she had an Owner's license as she was running a horse on the fair. I hid out until the race and even then I was way up in the Owner/Trainer section hiding. I was sitting with jockey Roy Yaka. He asked me who I had the tag for and I told him I wasn't going to say as the trainer didn't want to lose him. The only person I told was Bobby Jennings who was working the gates. I told Bobby that the horse was going to win so Bobby put $200 on his nose. The horse broke out of the inside hole and won by 3 lengths going 350 yards. Trainer was handed the card and he was NOT a happy camper. I had a trailer waiting at the test barn. We got out of there like we stold him. He turned into a super nice barrel horse and I still have him. Spoiled and never lost the attitude but I don't care. I would do it again.
Ahhhh, a feel good horse thieving story lololol! I love it! |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Betweenhorses - 2015-05-01 12:11 PM I have claimed a horse one time before. It was pretty strait forward. You put the money in an account at the race office fill out the claims form with a trainer and drop it in the box. We did our research earlier and had her marked on equibase and when we saw her drop in at the number we could afford we made the claim. The value of the race is listed and the horses are entered are for sale at that number. I too know the rules vary by state but by looking at equibase the horses that are not eligible to be claimed will have a $0 rather than a price next to the entry line I have noticed only in observation from optional claiming races. I too remember reading something about a claim being void if a horse were to break down in the race in the state of CA. Not sure the details.
You will only see this if the race is an allowance/optional claimer. Meaning the horse fits the conditions or they are running it for the claiming price. |
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| It's definitely true that racing has it's own lingo and "rules!" I feel like half of what I'm reading in this thread might as well be in another language! So would a person looking to find a barrel prospect go and do this? Or is this strictly a business maneuver to keep the horse on the track but as your own?
super interesting.
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Location: DUMPING CATS AND PIGS IN TEXAS :) | star1218 - 2015-05-01 4:18 PM It's definitely true that racing has it's own lingo and "rules!" I feel like half of what I'm reading in this thread might as well be in another language! So would a person looking to find a barrel prospect go and do this? Or is this strictly a business maneuver to keep the horse on the track but as your own?
super interesting.
I wouldn't claim one at the track unless you really knew what you were doing or knew someone that knew what they were doing....even then it's scary lol.
I'm looking right now to claim a low level claimer, meaning 3500 - 5000. I am grabbing any and every person that I know and respect to offer insight/snoop around for me lol...Kuhlman, Bigtime Mistake, Barnmom, Whiteboy, Herbie, etc....and, still it's daunting lol. I don't expect anymore than to, hopefully, claim a sound, nice, young mare that can race a couple of races for my pleasure and then be used as a broodmare or barrel prospect. We'll see. I'll be drinking when I do drop that claim down lol. |
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Location: California | Took the trainer a year before he would talk to me. He as so mad that my nephew had been galloping for him. Well, the trainer thought that my nephew was in on the claim but he didn't know anything. My nephew was fired the morning after the race. Poor guy had nothing to do with it. It was all me, my brother-in-law, sister and my track vet (who the trainer owned money to so the vet was more than happy to provide any information). |
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Location: Buffalo, Wyoming | star1218 - 2015-05-01 3:18 PM It's definitely true that racing has it's own lingo and "rules!" I feel like half of what I'm reading in this thread might as well be in another language! So would a person looking to find a barrel prospect go and do this? Or is this strictly a business maneuver to keep the horse on the track but as your own?
super interesting.
When we would claim we would call our trainer friend and tell him what we were looking for. He would keep an eye out and call us if something came up. We claimed to keep running or turn them into Chariot horses we never turned one into a barrel horse.
Since we had a trainer in the know we knew most of the things that were wrong with the horse before we claimed. We had a few that as soon as we got them they would go in to have chips removed or something else... |
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| I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | kuhlmann - 2015-05-01 9:12 PM I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted.
I guess this is my line of thinking. When we bought the stallion son of Rare Form from his owner/trainer, we wanted to try to bump him from his si 89 to AAA. So we had bought and paid for him, but to keep things simple left him in their name. We entered him twice, the first was just a cheap allowance and he was bumped really bad. The 2nd time they tried to get us to drop him in a $10k claimer because he was honestly outclassed (he was 5) in the allowance races. We thought really hard on it but chose not to because we were afraid to lose him and never laid eyes on him yet. Hindsight is 20/20 because we probably should have...but we didn't and the jock didn't keep riding him once he was out front and he ended up 4th or something so we called it good and shipped him home. That was as close to racing our own as we got. If you don't want them claimed, don't enter them in a claiming race. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | kuhlmann - 2015-05-01 10:12 PM I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted.
Being in the business ourselves, this is my way of thinking also. If they are put in for a "tag" they are for sale so don't cry, b**ch, moan and groan when someone reaches in and grabs your horse. Now, that said their are just some people that we won't claim from..friends in the business are off limits to us. And if I'm in a barn with someone, the unwritten rule is you don't claim from them. |
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| I meant to say nomination fees. We are running at Sam Houston right now. We just received our nomination forms for futurity and derby. I'm new to the business side of racehorses so my terminology tends to cross over from barrel race. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | iloveequine40 - 2015-05-02 9:14 PM I meant to say nomination fees. We are running at Sam Houston right now. We just received our nomination forms for futurity and derby. I'm new to the business side of racehorses so my terminology tends to cross over from barrel race.
That makes a little more sense to me now. Yes, futurity and derbies and overnight stakes do have a nomination and entry fee, but all others do not. |
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Location: Vinton, La. | I've claimed two for myself. Both were geldings I raised, sold, and decided I wanted them back. One to make money with and the other just because I needed him back. And he will never leave my place again. I had a really nice Sayin Adios mare claimed off of me. She was claimed by a good friend who came and talked to me the morning of the race so I could scratch her if I didn't want her claimed. (Shhhh, did I just say that? LOL) He wanted her for a broodmare. I told him to take her. She lost the race by a nose and was claimed. I cried like a baby but knew she was going to a great home and I made a good profit that night. That was 14 years ago and they still have her.
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| total performance - 2015-05-02 8:13 AM kuhlmann - 2015-05-01 10:12 PM I don't care who has the horse or how I know about it. If I want it and it is in for a tag I like, I'm dropping a claim.
We did have a case in NM where the trainer we were using didn't want to cross the connections of the filly we wanted so we bought her private. Cost a little more but we got it done.
I've seen owners and trainers cry over claims. I've had owners try to buy claims back. My thought is, if you valued it for more than the tag, you shouldn't have dropped it for that tag. Maybe I'm cold hearted. Being in the business ourselves, this is my way of thinking also. If they are put in for a "tag" they are for sale so don't cry, b**ch, moan and groan when someone reaches in and grabs your horse. Now, that said their are just some people that we won't claim from..friends in the business are off limits to us. And if I'm in a barn with someone, the unwritten rule is you don't claim from them.
exact point I was making in my original post. If I don't know them heck yes I'll claim....if we are friends or friends of my trainer then no I will not. |
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| LOL! I won't claim off a friend if I know they don't want to lose the horse. That said, I don't feel sorry for them if someone else does. The whole point of a claiming race is to run against similarly valued horses. If you aren't ok losing it, don't drop it in.
It is easy enough to do. High risk? Sure. Honestly though, there is usually a lot of information out there free for the taking. I have pretty strict requirements when I claim one and they work for me. They balance my risk profile with my pocketbook. |
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