|
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 851
      Location: West Texas | Christie, you can feed as much of them or as little as you want, since it is just chopped hay. However, because of the increased surface area and no waste, it is about 25% more efficient than good baled alfalfa, by weight and considerably more than grass hay. I have estimated that 50lbs of top quality cubes, like Danco, will equal about 1 bale of good alfalfa, and almost 1 1/2 bales of grass hay.
The answer to your question lies mostly on how and what you prefer to feed. If you like grass hay then you can continue feeding it and replace some or most of it with cubes. Me I prefer alfalfa and so I feed only cubes. Another thing to consider is what and how much concentrate you prefer feed. Sorry there is no clear answer on how much to feed. Anyehere from 5-25 lbs/ horse/day it can be an effective part or all of your ration.
As far as choke, I have detailed in another post that while I had not had any choke myself when I was feeding the larger/harder cubes of other brands, I did have a couple customers and known others to have had some issue with it. I do believe that our smaller and softer cube reduced that risk significantly. I believe the worst offender of choke are alfalfa pellets. Concerning impaction Bermuda hay is known to increase the impaction risk. I think all cubes are extremely low of impaction problems. It is long indigestible fiber that causes impaction and alfalfa cubes are at the other end of the spectrum there. Dr Randy Lewis in Abilene feeds alfalfa cubes (specifically Danco) for horses he is treating for colic.
If you would like to discuss you are free to call me at 432-212-5889. |
|
|
|
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 545
  Location: Texas | Tdove - 2015-05-29 2:20 PM
Christie, you can feed as much of them or as little as you want, since it is just chopped hay. However, because of the increased surface area and no waste, it is about 25% more efficient than good baled alfalfa, by weight and considerably more than grass hay. I have estimated that 50lbs of top quality cubes, like Danco, will equal about 1 bale of good alfalfa, and almost 1 1/2 bales of grass hay.
The answer to your question lies mostly on how and what you prefer to feed. If you like grass hay then you can continue feeding it and replace some or most of it with cubes. Me I prefer alfalfa and so I feed only cubes. Another thing to consider is what and how much concentrate you prefer feed. Sorry there is no clear answer on how much to feed. Anyehere from 5-25 lbs/ horse/day it can be an effective part or all of your ration.
As far as choke, I have detailed in another post that while I had not had any choke myself when I was feeding the larger/harder cubes of other brands, I did have a couple customers and known others to have had some issue with it. I do believe that our smaller and softer cube reduced that risk significantly. I believe the worst offender of choke are alfalfa pellets. Concerning impaction Bermuda hay is known to increase the impaction risk. I think all cubes are extremely low of impaction problems. It is long indigestible fiber that causes impaction and alfalfa cubes are at the other end of the spectrum there. Dr Randy Lewis in Abilene feeds alfalfa cubes (specifically Danco) for horses he is treating for colic.
If you would like to discuss you are free to call me at 432-212-5889.
Thanks so much! |
|
|
|
Veteran
Posts: 184
   
| Here is my feeding plans....if this helps lol
1. Breeding Stallion/1D barrel horse
8lbs Ultium
1 cup of Oxy-Max
25lbs of Alfalfa cubes dry
2. 3D APHA Mare/ 60 days bred
4lbs Ultium
1 cup Oxy-Max
12lbs Alfalfa/Timothy cubes dry
Both are on free turnout at night on pasture and they are super muscled
Good luck!!  |
|
|
|
 Night Chat Leader
Posts: 13150
       Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Personally, I don't like the cubes. Soaked or not, for some reason my horses aren't crazy about them. Maybe it's the way they have to chew?? I'm not sure. I've fed alfalfa pellets for years, no issues with those. :) |
|
|
|
 pressure dripper
Posts: 8696
        Location: the end of the rainbow | some cube makers add a binder of some sort (I have no idea what it is but the local cube company uses a white powder). My understanding is that how much of that binder is used depends on how hard the cubes are. I cannot feed the cubes made by our local company, my horses flat will not eat them, even if I soak them. But I feed cubes from a place in Utah that my horses all eat just fine (without soaking). All cubes are definitely not created equal. |
|
|
|
 Expert
Posts: 5290
     
| ktbeasleyze - 2015-05-29 12:32 PM
Here is my feeding plans....if this helps lol
1. Breeding Stallion/1D barrel horse
8lbs Ultium
1 cup of Oxy-Max
25lbs of Alfalfa cubes dry
2. 3D APHA Mare/ 60 days bred
4lbs Ultium
1 cup Oxy-Max
12lbs Alfalfa/Timothy cubes dry
Both are on free turnout at night on pasture and they are super muscled
Good luck!! 
8 pounds ultium? Holy moly!!!!!
Edited by FLITASTIC 2015-05-29 9:38 PM
|
|
|
|
 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | willrodeo4food - 2015-05-29 8:33 PM some cube makers add a binder of some sort (I have no idea what it is but the local cube company uses a white powder). My understanding is that how much of that binder is used depends on how hard the cubes are. I cannot feed the cubes made by our local company, my horses flat will not eat them, even if I soak them. But I feed cubes from a place in Utah that my horses all eat just fine (without soaking). All cubes are definitely not created equal. Bentonite is used in pellets a lot as a binder and is used in the Mustang Sally Alfalfa cubes I feed. I just checked my tag.
Edited by Nevertooold 2015-05-29 9:46 PM
|
|
|
|
 Owner of a ratting catting machine
Posts: 2258
    
| Nevertooold - 2015-05-29 9:43 PM
willrodeo4food - 2015-05-29 8:33 PM some cube makers add a binder of some sort (I have no idea what it is but the local cube company uses a white powder). My understanding is that how much of that binder is used depends on how hard the cubes are. I cannot feed the cubes made by our local company, my horses flat will not eat them, even if I soak them. But I feed cubes from a place in Utah that my horses all eat just fine (without soaking). All cubes are definitely not created equal. Bentonite is used in pellets a lot as a binder and is used in the Mustang Sally Alfalfa cubes I feed. I just checked my tag.
NTO, where are you getting your cubes and what do they cost? Thanks. :) |
|
|
|
 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
                    Location: In the Hills of Texas | classicpotatochip - 2015-05-31 8:29 AM Nevertooold - 2015-05-29 9:43 PM willrodeo4food - 2015-05-29 8:33 PM some cube makers add a binder of some sort (I have no idea what it is but the local cube company uses a white powder). My understanding is that how much of that binder is used depends on how hard the cubes are. I cannot feed the cubes made by our local company, my horses flat will not eat them, even if I soak them. But I feed cubes from a place in Utah that my horses all eat just fine (without soaking). All cubes are definitely not created equal. Bentonite is used in pellets a lot as a binder and is used in the Mustang Sally Alfalfa cubes I feed. I just checked my tag.
NTO, where are you getting your cubes and what do they cost? Thanks. : )
Jupe Mills in Helotes. Mustang Sally $14.75. You can go to their FB page and they have a list of dealers. Morales is carrying them also along with a dealer in Sequin.
Matt Heikes (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Abilene/East Abilene, TX 806-786-8768 Ruben Gonzales (Mustang Sally) Bay City, TX 512-588-0507 Barfield Hay Barn (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Belton, TX (254) 931-6766 Colt Carter (Mustang Sally) De Kalb, TX 903-826-1758 Tyler Schaffner (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Roadrunner Ranch Goldthwaite, TX 512-540-2191 Suzy Moody (Mustang Sally) Live Oak Training Stable Kerrville, TX 830-739-9541 Trey Dove (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Shenandoah Bar M Ranch Midland, TX 432-212-5889 Bobbi Praden (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Praden Barrel Horses Odessa, TX 432-349-8508 William Burton (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Bronte/San Angelo Area, TX 325-234-8303 Jupe Mills (Mustang Sally) San Antonio Area (4 locations) Adkins, Bracken, Helotes, Somerset www.jupefeeds-sa.com/contact.shtml Morales Feed & Supply (Mustang Sally) San Antonio Area (3 locations) Devine, Lytle, San Antonio www.moralesfeedandsupply.com Dwight Thomas (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Seguin, TX 830-609-7337 Stoney & Kimberlee Turner (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) Seminole, TX/Hobbs NM Area 432-661-6714/806-346-7176 Matt and Reta Adkins (2 locations) (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) West Abilene TX/Sweetwater TX Area North Abilene TX/Anson TX Area 505-730-7881 Kathy Gulley (Mustang Sally, Omnis Complete) K-R Performance Horses Whitt/Weatherford, TX Area 940-682-6440 |
|
|
|
 Regular
Posts: 63
 
| Tdove - 2015-05-27 10:56 AM
You should be able to feed cubes dry to most horses. We feed 30 horses dry Danco cubes daily and never had one choke. A horse can choke on anything and it is usually horses that bolt feed. The smaller cubes I feel are less prone to choke than larger and the worst thing for a choke prone horse is alfalfa pellets. The cubes you mentioned trying, I know of several horses that have choked on them. Many horses are fed those dry with no problem (I fed them dry without any choke issues) but they are more likely to choke on them than the Danco Mustang Sally cubes, my opinion.
The solution to your issue is undoubtedly Omnis Complete Performance by Danco Forage. I will guarantee it is the softest cube you have ever seen and we feel it is one of the safest products available. You can break them apart easily with your hand. You do not soak these cubes. The softness and safety of feeding the Omnis cubes are one if the things I and many other customers like most about them.
Disclaimer about me: I am currently a Danco Distributor. I have previously been a HayRite and Manzanola Top of the Rockies dealer and user. We have a training facility in Midland Tx where we extensively use cubes. The information that I provide, I take great pains to be honest and represent my experience and opinions based on real world use. I would encourage everyone to use the products for yourself and I am confident you will see the same results that I have had. I will not stretch the truth about my product not claim a superiority to other products when there is none. Feed companies routinely do this and I detest it. There are many ways to feed one well and there are many good products available. Thanks.
Can you explain how they keep blister beetles out of alfalfa cubes? And since excellent forage is usually of high demand, would it be easy to think that feed producers on alfalfa are getting a low quality hay that visually cant be determined because it is processed although it meets the label? |
|
|
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 851
      Location: West Texas | As far as blister beetles, I am no expert. They are a problem in southern states more because the warmer temperatures and even then are a problem only in later cuttings, due to the increased temperatures. The farther north you go, and west, the less blister beetles are prevalent. Our hay is grown well into Saskatchewan and beetles are simply not active that far north. We typically only get one cutting and the climate is quite cool at that time. In the wintertime, the temperature routinely drops well below zero and makes it an inhospitable climate for them, and therefore the beetles simply are not present in our fields. All of our hay is locally grown by the plant and it is not shipped in or outsourced, as with most pelleting plants, feed mills, and cubing plants.
As far as the quality of the hay. While it is true that many cubing plants , most all pelleting plants, and all alfalfa meal used in feed mills is a leaser quality and in some cases extremely poor quality forage, this is not true with our cubes. The reason for the lower quality hay used in many other processed alfalfa products is just like you suggested, all of the premium hay is baled and sold to dairies or for equine consumption. The balance of the crops are processed or ground mixed to produce cubes, pellets, and alfalfa meal for use in concentrates. Some cubing plants do use a better quality hay. Ours is one of those. This is for two reasons. One, we feel strongly in the value of cubes over traditional baled hay, we use the products for our own top quality horses and demand the best forage possible , regardless of form, be it bales or cubes. Our fields are private and plant owned. This ensures that we can use horse quality forage to make the cubes. The location of our fields is important too. Since there is an extremely abundant supply of top quality, irrigated alfalfa in Saskatchewan and there is little market locally for top quality hay, most all of that hay must be shipped out of the region. On top of the many qualities of cubes over baled hay, ease and economics of transportation is another area that cubes happen to shine. This means that not only do we demand the best hay goes into our cubes, market forces also allow the cubes to be more economic to produce and ship to the extremely heavily horse populated areas in the southern United States.
Finally, because cubes are coarse chopped instead of ground, it is easy to break apart our cubes to inspect quality visually as well. We also have to meet minimum quality specs, of which our cubes exceed those. The last random test performed on our Mustang Sally cube showed 17% protein and 58% TDN. That is excellent horse hay by any standard. I hope this answers your questions adequately.
Edited by Tdove 2015-06-02 8:47 AM
|
|
|
|
 Jr. Detective
      Location: Beggs, OK | Thank you for taking the time to explain the sourcing behind the Danco Forage products. |
|
|
|
Blessed 
                      Location: Here | rachellyn80 - 2015-06-03 12:18 AM Thank you for taking the time to explain the sourcing behind the Danco Forage products.
 I am picking up my first ones hopefully anyday! I can't wait |
|
|
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 395
     
| Where can I get some around OKC? Thanks. |
|
|
|
 Shelter Dog Lover
Posts: 10277
      
| booney - 2015-06-04 8:58 AM Where can I get some around OKC? Thanks.
Above post has current dealers. |
|
|
|
 Jr. Detective
      Location: Beggs, OK | For anyone in the Tulsa area or anyone that would be passing through... I will have my first truckload delivered tonight. I'll make sure that I bring plenty with me to any of the barrel races that we attend and if you know that you want some just give me a shout and let me know how many to have on hand for you. |
|
|
|
 Pork Fat is my Favorite
Posts: 3791
        Location: The Oklahoma plains. | Rach, yours is Danco or Omni? LB likes em! All the others do too but you know he is our hard keeper horse. We will be buying some. |
|
|
|
 Jr. Detective
      Location: Beggs, OK | TurnLane - 2015-06-04 11:03 AM Rach, yours is Danco or Omni? LB likes em! All the others do too but you know he is our hard keeper horse.
We will be buying some.
Danco Forage is the manufacturer. Omnis Complete Performance is the name of the cubes that I'm carrying. Glad to hear that he's enjoying the new treat :-) I haven't had anything turn them down yet....even the twins have tried them out, lol |
|
|
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 851
      Location: West Texas | If you are interested in Danco cubes please visit our FB page. We have a lot of information, pictures, and video.
https://m.facebook.com/dancoforage
Here are a couple of yearlings that is on our Onnis Complete Cube.
Edited by Tdove 2015-06-04 4:33 PM
(image.jpg)
(image.jpg)
Attachments ----------------
image.jpg (45KB - 261 downloads)
image.jpg (69KB - 260 downloads)
|
|
|
|
Veteran
Posts: 184
   
| FLITASTIC - 2015-05-29 10:36 PM
ktbeasleyze - 2015-05-29 12:32 PM
Here is my feeding plans....if this helps lol
1. Breeding Stallion/1D barrel horse
8lbs Ultium
1 cup of Oxy-Max
25lbs of Alfalfa cubes dry
2. 3D APHA Mare/ 60 days bred
4lbs Ultium
1 cup Oxy-Max
12lbs Alfalfa/Timothy cubes dry
Both are on free turnout at night on pasture and they are super muscled
Good luck!! 
8 pounds ultium? Holy moly!!!!!
Yeah he is quite the HULK. Freaks me out that everything goes to muscle but if I do give him the grain then he looks like a thoroughbred fresh off the track lol |
|
|