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Location: Florida.. | pinx05 - 2015-06-13 10:45 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-13 11:45 AM pinx05 - 2015-06-13 9:24 AM Bibliafarm - 2015-06-12 11:00 PM IM all for slaughter.. but this was wrong. Ditto.
It isn't like the origional owner ran them through a sale and hoped for the best, in which case I would say tough cookie. They thought their horses were going to be retired, only to find out that someone completely lied to them and them trying to do right by their horse ended in slaughter.
Or at least from what I am gathering that is how it went down. oh see the way I took it they were having the horses taken to retirement (where ever that was ) by that person. Not I'll give you the horse and you retire it. But it is rather confusing to me so I may have it all wrong.
I thought so to.. I know once you give horse away its gone.. thats not what I read happened but i am a lil confused as well. |
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Location: Florida.. | got boost? - 2015-06-13 3:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
I dont see one person on here that is anti slaughter? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-13 10:50 PM got boost? - 2015-06-13 3:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not anti slaughter either, but I have rescue a few horses and feed them up to get them back on their hoofs and find them a home that would take care of them, I hate seeing a straving animal, I would rather see them put down then to strave..I have put good money into a starving horse, so I have been there  |
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Location: Arkansas | got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM Â If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. Â This is stupid.Â
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!Â
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread. |
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Location: home for the winter...what a dumb idea | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-13 11:39 PM
got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM Â If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. Â This is stupid.Â
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!Â
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread.
ummm think this is a story about stolen horses ending up at a slaughter plant in Candida........not about someone dumping horses at an auction ....in am not against horse slaughter in faked my collage final protect was on the benefits of it. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | shubug007 - 2015-06-13 6:09 PM I'm pretty sure impersonating someone is illegal and writing someone's signature is forgery too. He's already on the radar for the amout of horse he brings in so there's no telling what else he's doing. I think there is some missing parts to this article. And sounds like the auctioneer knew what he was getting, probably done it before.
^^^^^ By tracking of these horse, they now have concrete evidence against him.....whether or not you are for or against slaughter, he has to obey the law! |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-13 11:39 PM
got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM Â If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. Â This is stupid.Â
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!Â
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread.
This is exactly the vein of the thread.
This incident of Mr. Brown being arrested occurred in 2014. He is not in jail at this time.
IMO he did break the law by forging documents and taking horses to Canada. Although I believe slaughter is not the devil and serves a purpose.
Not all the horses sold at said auction go to slaughter. I sold one last week and it did not go to slaughter.
I just do not understand people who "give" their horses to "retire" to other people to care for. If they have given you so much wouldn't you want to make sure the horses golden years where good ones. And this is in no way an attack on the people who gave their horses away in this instance.
And realistically who can afford to feed and care for a lot of (in a retirement home situation) horses that serve no purpose? So who was funding said retirement. Everyone wants to think horse retirement is all sunshine and roses but SOMEONE has to foot the bill.
And it sure seems like the bleeding hearts of the world are blindly making huge financial decisions based on emotions.
Jumping off my soapbox...lol
Just my thoughts
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Bibliafarm - 2015-06-13 8:50 PM got boost? - 2015-06-13 3:32 PM Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. This is stupid. I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!
yes I know not reading any anti-slaughter either............but thats always my question in my head........
I'm not sure why anyone would give their 2 horses to be put out to retirement...........it just doesn't add up in my head....
there has to be more to the story
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| Â It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. |
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| reditorun - 2015-06-12 4:40 PM Can you imagine how you would feel if someone picked up your good horse and you found out it went to slaughter for someone else's profit.
I don't have to imagine! This happened to me last year! I will never forgive myself for what happened to my horse. It's sickening!! |
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Location: your guess is as good as mine | SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. Agree. Everything started with that. Is what the girl & the auctioneer did wrong? Yes...but if the owner had held up their responsibility to the two horses then none of it would have happened.
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Location: Arkansas | cantrnr - 2015-06-14 9:25 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-13 11:39 PM
got boost? - 2015-06-13 2:32 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-12 1:32 PM Â If you do not want someone eating your beloved snowflakes, then keep them yourself or put them down. Â This is stupid.Â
I so agree with you! this story is last years news.
all you anti-slaughter people I hope you have rescued and are feeding 10 head of rescues on your property!!!!!!!!!!Â
This seems a little harsh. . . And not quite in the vein of the thread.
This is exactly the vein of the thread.
This incident of Mr. Brown being arrested occurred in 2014. He is not in jail at this time.
IMO he did break the law by forging documents and taking horses to Canada. Although I believe slaughter is not the devil and serves a purpose.
Not all the horses sold at said auction go to slaughter. I sold one last week and it did not go to slaughter.
I just do not understand people who "give" their horses to "retire" to other people to care for. If they have given you so much wouldn't you want to make sure the horses golden years where good ones. And this is in no way an attack on the people who gave their horses away in this instance.
And realistically who can afford to feed and care for a lot of (in a retirement home situation ) horses that serve no purpose? So who was funding said retirement. Everyone wants to think horse retirement is all sunshine and roses but SOMEONE has to foot the bill.
And it sure seems like the bleeding hearts of the world are blindly making huge financial decisions based on emotions.
Jumping off my soapbox...lol
Just my thoughts
My meaning was that I didn't read anywhere on here about folks being anti-slaughter. |
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Location: Arkansas | SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM
 It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about.
I have a 36 year old gelding, and I feel my commitment to him is for his lifetime. I've ways felt that way about my animals. I know some others don't have that same thought, and that's their prerogative. My heart breaks when one of my "kids" die, but I owe them a good life til the end even though it hurts me when they go. I guess I could give them away or run them thru a sale and lie to myself and say that they went to great homes with little girls that love them, but thank God I have the ability to keep them til the end. Like SKM says we have responsibilities. |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-14 10:49 PM SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. I have a 36 year old gelding, and I feel my commitment to him is for his lifetime. I've ways felt that way about my animals. I know some others don't have that same thought, and that's their prerogative. My heart breaks when one of my "kids" die, but I owe them a good life til the end even though it hurts me when they go. I guess I could give them away or run them thru a sale and lie to myself and say that they went to great homes with little girls that love them, but thank God I have the ability to keep them til the end. Like SKM says we have responsibilities.
Diito, that is how I feel about the 5 I have now. I have sold plenty of horses but these 5 have a special place in my heart-they range from 16- 21. 4 are still going strong competing, the 21 year old is retired due to injury, he won so much for my girls, made so many good memories for them, he has earned his retirement. I have even made my husband promise that if something happens to me he will not sale them. I told him I would come back and haunt him if anything ever happened to them :). |
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Location: The edge of no where | SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about.
Exactly.......I have an old man that's 26 and just hangs out. He's earned the right to retire. I'd never trust his care to anyone else, if I couldn't afford to take care of him then I'd have him put down.
Granted, I hope the girl that did this with their horses pays dearly. There's no getting around what she did was wrong on so many levels. I still don't see the point of going after the man that was transporting them. It's a stupid CA law that he was going around, |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | MS2011 - 2015-06-15 8:04 AM SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. Exactly.......I have an old man that's 26 and just hangs out. He's earned the right to retire. I'd never trust his care to anyone else, if I couldn't afford to take care of him then I'd have him put down.
Granted, I hope the girl that did this with their horses pays dearly. There's no getting around what she did was wrong on so many levels. I still don't see the point of going after the man that was transporting them. It's a stupid CA law that he was going around,
We have a 27 year old that I bought 3 years ago for my daughter. He's still sound and useable, and several people have inquired about buying or borrowing him, but I just can't bring myself to let him go at his age, knowing the kind of extra care I'm giving him. I suspect his life wasn't great before he came here (he was very very thin when we bought him), and he's been good to my kids, so I'm going to be a sap and let him die with us. |
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| These ppl might have been wronged by this Summer Rose Tex girl but I would never ever entrust the well being of something I cared about so much to chance. You take care of what takes care of you. <- that is a statement I live by! I feel like these ppl are mad the horses didn't end up where they were promised or maybe we'll never know the true story but you don't make bed buddies with those two steps away from peta freaks that call themselves the Human Society of the United States.
I wish ppl would wise up and research things like the Humane Society of the United States. They would rathe line their pockets than help what they were created to help.
These ppl are at fault plain and simple you don't entrust the care of oldies to anyone but yourself. I'd be terrified be taking my oldies to one of those greener pasture program things because they simply don't get the care they should. I can't imagine taking our old gelding somewhere he didn't know at the age he is now...turns my stomach to think such a thing. Although I am the crazy lady that thinks her old registered producing heifers are too good to suffer the indignity of the sale barn LOL Its a business but some livestock are even more than just a number to me. I take care of what takes care of me and puts food on my table...honor your oldies don't throw them away to be someone else's problem! |
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Location: Arkansas | rodeomom3 - 2015-06-15 7:01 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-14 10:49 PM SKM - 2015-06-14 11:05 AM Â It all hoils down to responsibility. The horses were old. The owner didn't want to have to make the hard choices that go with animals getting old. They took the easy way out and got severely burned. If you have an old horse, be responsible. I have a 28 year old mare right now that is in no hurry to leave thus planet. Sure I could take the ready way out and "give" her to someone (and pray that she didn't end up like these horses), I could put her down now to get her off my feed bill or I can let her live for as long as she's happy even if it's another 15 years. I hate the expense if feeding her. But she owes me nothing. She's been a great horse so I will do the RESPONSIBLE thing and make that tough call when the time cones no matter how bad it sucks. THAT's what being a responsible horse owner is about. I have a 36 year old gelding, and I feel my commitment to him is for his lifetime. I've ways felt that way about my animals. I know some others don't have that same thought, and that's their prerogative. My heart breaks when one of my "kids" die, but I owe them a good life til the end even though it hurts me when they go. I guess I could give them away or run them thru a sale and lie to myself and say that they went to great homes with little girls that love them, but thank God I have the ability to keep them til the end. Like SKM says we have responsibilities.
That's funny---I told my momma the same thing! My parents aren't horse people, so I told her who to contact concerning my horses. I told her if she didn't do what Becky said to do, or sold them, that I'd come back and haunt her! |
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Location: Arkansas | astreakinchic - 2015-06-15 5:14 PM
These ppl might have been wronged by this Summer Rose Tex girl but I would never ever entrust the well being of something I cared about so much to chance. You take care of what takes care of you. <- that is a statement I live by! I feel like these ppl are mad the horses didn't end up where they were promised or maybe we'll never know the true story but you don't make bed buddies with those two steps away from peta freaks that call themselves the Human Society of the United States.
I wish ppl would wise up and research things like the Humane Society of the United States. They would rathe line their pockets than help what they were created to help.
These ppl are at fault plain and simple you don't entrust the care of oldies to anyone but yourself. I'd be terrified be taking my oldies to one of those greener pasture program things because they simply don't get the care they should. I can't imagine taking our old gelding somewhere he didn't know at the age he is now...turns my stomach to think such a thing. Although I am the crazy lady that thinks her old registered producing heifers are too good to suffer the indignity of the sale barn LOL Its a business but some livestock are even more than just a number to me. I take care of what takes care of me and puts food on my table...honor your oldies don't throw them away to be someone else's problem!
You said it perfectly. I just wish more people felt like this. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Just likes SKM said, if you REALLY care what happens to your geriatric horses you better keep them in your own pasture until it is time to end their life in a humane and respectful manner. Personally when a horse has given me the best years of their life, I think it is the least I can do for them. |
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