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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I would love to see a picture of the backend of this horse with him squared up. I had a horse that did the exact thing and it was a pain issue. The vets couldn't find anything wrong with him (it was back in 1986). I had a chiro work on him and he would make awesome runs until that hip slipped out. It was a chronic issue and since I couldn't carry my Chiro with me, I sold him to a man that would ride him on his ranch checking fences. |
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Location: Washington | Do you have any videos of his other events.....could you post those also.
What kind of bit are you using? Is his tie-down always that tight?
Till this is figured out for the health of you daughter I would stop asking him or her to do barrels.
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Location: gone crazy! | I would almost 100% bet he's got teeth issues.
once you get his teeth done & done correctly I would make sure the rest of his body is free from soreness etc.
I retired a 9yo gelding who did the EXACT same thing turns out a vet who floated his teeth didn't do them completely. Had a certified Equine dentist look at him & he literally had waves all the way to the back of his jaw. At that point it became a mental issue because it hurt for so long he's a pasture ornament.
TAKE NOTE: he vetted sound all 63541651 times i had him looked at and the countless hours i drove to get opinion after opinion from other vets.
My advice: take the kid off him. that horse is going to stop being so forgiving at some point & your kid is the only one who's going to pay the price. that jerking & kicking, that animal has a mind of his own & he can snap.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I dont think this is the right horse for her, I went back to see the first video trying to see the bit, the horse will not flex at all, shes just to rough on this poor horses face, this looks like a young horse and need a more experince rider as in knowing how to handle a barrel horse with good hands and helping it out in the turns, I would put her back on her ponys untill you find that match for her, a older horse. This horse needs a break from this child befor it really loses it and flips over on her, like Trailgirl said its a good thing shes wearing a helmet and I hope that she wont need it. I feel really sorry for this horse, the head tossing is a sign to me its confused.. |
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| I would put an experienced quiet rider on him and see if he acts the same. I have 3 girls who ride, one got a new horse, started out good then started touring the arena when making a run. I put my other daughter on him and they made perfect runs which motivated daughter #1 to try a little harder to ride him correctly.
I would also have the vet check all his ligaments, suspensory issues, ligaments sometimes will not hurt unless at a run and vet will miss them. I had this happen too. My horse did not want to work his left turn, 3 great vets really put him through the paces, he was never lame, had no swelling and never took an off step while being looked at. He finally came out of a run 3 legged lame and had torn his suspensory, vet said that was what had been hurting all along and progressed till it finally tore. Good luck and keep searching if he keeps doing this. I would find a vet with a lameness locator, if I had done that with my horse I would have saved a lot of time and money and not had such a severe injury. |
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Location: on my horse | I haven't read all the comments so bear with me if things have already been said...
Thing #1 Get that horse off barrels now, its not fair to him until you figure out what's up.
Thing #2 Get that kid off that horse until you figure out where his discomfort is coming from. He's frozen and looks scared there's no attitude there
Thing #3 once you've fixed whatever physical issue/internal/external get that kiddo into some quality barrel lessons just because she loves her horse doesn't mean she's riding him right and nobody should be kicking that hard with spurs on run after run when he freezes at the second barrel and is confused/fearful looking when he previously had no issues.
Thing #4 if he started as a barrel only horse and now he does all these other games too that may have something to do with it, turning a barrel is a lot different than turning a pole and each horse only has so many runs in him both physically and mentally. If gymkhana is your goal lay off barrels but if she wants to run barrels then that needs to be the focus.
Don't take this as me picking at you your horse or your daughter there's just some distressing things I'm seeing here that need professional help.
If he scopes clean treats well for ulcers and everything else PLEASE take him and her to a professional because him and your daughter are going to get into one big wreck because the next step for him is to go up in the air on her. He looks extremely well broke and appears to know his job so once pain is ruled out and this continues he's showing you that he's not being ridden correctly and needs some help there. No finished horse without illness or rider issues is going to act like that, and he looks like despite everything he's trying to stay honest for her which tells me y'all need to listen to him.
Finally, that really can't be all that fun for your daughter either, whether this issue stems from horse or rider nobody here is having fun.
Thanks for being open to advice and once again please don't take anything I've written as hurtful or intending to be mean or sharp, its hard to convey sincere emotion over the computer.
ETA: If it was a bleeding issue I would expect him to show signs of discomfort during other events.
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Location: Kentucky | My mate last year was slamming on her brakes at the barrels and then crow hop. People told me it was attitude and that she hated her job. This mare lives and breathes barrel racing. I took her to a lameness vet and he couldn't find anything physically wrong with her. Full dental exam and chiro. I finally put her on ulcer meds and she started to run a killer pattern again. I would stop running this horse until you found out what was going on. When the man on the video told her to kick him as hard as she could... That just broke my heart. They do talk to us. |
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| Murphy - 2015-06-19 3:03 PM My mate last year was slamming on her brakes at the barrels and then crow hop. People told me it was attitude and that she hated her job. This mare lives and breathes barrel racing. I took her to a lameness vet and he couldn't find anything physically wrong with her. Full dental exam and chiro. I finally put her on ulcer meds and she started to run a killer pattern again. I would stop running this horse until you found out what was going on. When the man on the video told her to kick him as hard as she could... That just broke my heart. They do talk to us. Agree, they do talk to us. The correct thing to do after his repeatedly doing this would have been to get off and lead him out.
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Location: Down the Gravel Road near the Missouri River, SD | SKM - 2015-06-20 1:02 PM I will play devil's advocate and go with the no pain theory. With that said, this is a horse that clearly hates his job. Regardless if there is pain or no pain, you have let a habit develop and there is no way this child riding this horse can fix it. I am willing to bet that when she comes out of the pen, she is jerking, snatching, kicking and ripping because she's mad. The worst thing you can do is crucify a horse after a run. That starts gate problems because why go IN when you know what happens when you come OUT? I'm sorry but this horse DOES NOT want to be a barrel horse. You need to stop running him on barrels and find someone that can help. Both from a physical issue standpoint AND a training standpoint. That horse is on the verge of going up. The next step from going up is going over. Stop running it beforse it escalates further.
Amen!! This could get dangerous and soon if its not stopped..He's way over pressured.
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2015-06-19 3:08 PM Murphy - 2015-06-19 3:03 PM My mate last year was slamming on her brakes at the barrels and then crow hop. People told me it was attitude and that she hated her job. This mare lives and breathes barrel racing. I took her to a lameness vet and he couldn't find anything physically wrong with her. Full dental exam and chiro. I finally put her on ulcer meds and she started to run a killer pattern again. I would stop running this horse until you found out what was going on. When the man on the video told her to kick him as hard as she could... That just broke my heart. They do talk to us. Agree, they do talk to us. The correct thing to do after his repeatedly doing this would have been to get off and lead him out.
Ditto, they do talk to us, but theres just not enought humans that will listen to what their horses are trying to tell them.  |
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One Grateful Mom
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Location: wolverton,mn | Ohhhhhhhhh sad,please get help! Poor boy!
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| One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running . |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | What type of bit do y'all have on him? |
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| Heartbreaking....
It should not have taken this many runs to figure out something is wrong!
Poor horse!
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Location: ND--it snows, it floods, it snows, it floods | Until you can get to the bottem of this you need to remove your daughter from the horse. If you do not, the results could be catastrophic. Please heed the advice of those more experienced and do this. Frankly when she is jerking on him like that you should be marching out and jerking her from the saddle. She needs to learn control of her emotions and the consequences of her actions as well. You may need to send horse and daughter to some barrel clinics to help both after you have ruled out hocks, ulcers, and bleeding. Or as someone else said he could just hate barrels and really like poles...then you have to choose. We are not trying to be mean or judge we are just trying to help and none of us want to see your little girl hurt. |
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Location: gone crazy! | kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:15 PM One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running .
He's stopped running because he's
A-in pain
B-hates his job
Either way the kid is in danger. Stop it before she gets hurt.
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Location: gone crazy! | MissinGrey - 2015-06-19 3:27 PM kiel53 - 2015-06-19 3:15 PM One thing that I forgot to mention is that she has run him both ways on the pattern , and we have put an older more experienced rider on and got the same exact results . He stops at the second barrel no Matter the direction he runs . And he is very flexible she can feed him treats of the toes of her boots he has no problem flexing . She is a young rider and I know the videos show that she is really aggressive but I can assure you this is not really an issue otherwise . She was just really frustrated in these videos and took it out on him AGAIN we are taking care of this !!!!!!!! She is a very good rider and has already accomplished more than I could have ever asked for . And am very proud of her. I just wanted input on why you think he stops running . He's stopped running because he's
A-in pain
B-hates his job
Either way the kid is in danger. Stop it before she gets hurt.
also wanted to state she may be a great rider but obviously this isn't a match.
you can tell the way this horse anticipates by his body position going into each barrel. it looks to me from what i watched of the video's that he drops his head and sorta dumps on his front end. to me hes getting away from the issue.
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Location: Post Falls, ID | I have unfortunatly been in where this young girl is. It may have been about 25 yrs ago though. I too was a good rider, could ride the hair off anything you put me on. Doesnt mean that I did it correctly though. My new step up horse was fast, bred well and young. My immaturity and her high strung spirit is where our troubles began. I pushed her to fast and she began to rear and leap in the air like a lipizzan, so bad she was known as the lipizzaner. I wish I would have known back then, what I know now. I'm pretty sure my mare had ulcers and other pain issues. Those days we thought we were experienced horse people. I'm one lucky kid that I never got hurt real bad. I'm telling this story because we all can see that this horse and little girl have some big issues. I want to say to the OP that your getting on the right track, I would take a look at all this advice and look into each one. Something is affecting this horse. I'm happy your asking for help. I have been there and wish I would have done what your doing.. Your daughter and that horse could have some real talent down the road. I would be interested in following the progress. |
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| I'm pretty sure he is in a jr cow bit . And yes I am well aware of what happens after he stops and we will work on that . But what I was asking is what everyone's opinion is on why he stops at the second barrel . We take very good care of him and he is a very nice horse and we are aggressively going to fix him any way we can . I mean who in there right mind would post videos like this for the world to see . ...Signed one desperate Dad trying to help his daughter and her horse |
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Location: Nebraska | At this point I think he is going to do it with anyone no matter who you put on him. There is definitely something wrong that he is trying to tell you. I'd start with a good lameness vet and a long break from barrels with someone else riding him. She isn't wearing Spurs is she? |
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