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| Sadly, we have gotten where we hàve little respect for each other. OT but coming back from the vet the other day I was in a one lane construction area which had concrete barriers on both sides of the highway. A huge funeral was coming down the other side of the road with the same driving conditions. This hwy is part of an interstate. The truck driver in front of me slowed down to a crawl and the young people behind me were so close I could not see them in my rearview mirror. When they got where they could pass they were running about 90.
This kid that shot those people had hate issues not racial issues. If you notice the ones he shot were mostly over 50. Several over 70. He picked people who could not give him a fight I mean an 87 year old woman come on???? This guy has the same look in his eyes as the guy who shot the people in the movie theater. Lights are on nobody's home. |
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Location: Arkansas | streakysox - 2015-06-21 3:47 PM
I think it is a flag issue alright but they are looking at the wrong flag. The guy had a picture on Facebook wearing a jacket wih a South African flag and a Rodesian flag, both strongholds for white supremacists. Rodesian is now Zimbabwe. Most Southern states have a Confederate flag flying over their Confederate memorial just as they have an American flag over their WW1 and WW2 memorials, Vietnam, etc.
I was in a Houston library and there was a black man and woman doing genealogical research. I happened to see a book on black Union military units in the Civil War and handed the book to them. They proudly told me that their ancestors served for the South. Needless to say, I was left rather speechless.
About four weeks ago, on my way to school there were three trucks in a row following each other through Marshall TX. One of the trailes said HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. They were obviously reenactors. The truck with sign was driven by a black guy. By the way, TEXAS had its own battle flag.
There are three states that incorporate various civil war battle flags into them anyway. Four if you count TX. It is freedom of speech not a rácial issue.
Many cities have replaced the Confederate battle flag with the 1st National flag anyway. Most people do not have enough knowledge about the Civil War to even know what it is. By the way, it is the true "Stars And Bars"
Chandler showed me some pictures on Instagram of black men with the Confederate flag--one was an older man in a Confederate uniform carrying the flag on a pole and two other pictures were younger men holding the flag in front of them. He also made the comment about black soldiers fighting for Confederacy. . .
ETA you are so right about respect for each other. It infuriates me to see people fly past a funeral procession---I don't care where you're going or how much time you have to get there. That is the last sign of respect we can show the deceased and their family; pull over to the side of the road for those 45 to 60 seconds. Perhaps someone will have the decency to do it for you or your loved ones one day.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-21 9:56 PM streakysox - 2015-06-21 3:47 PM I think it is a flag issue alright but they are looking at the wrong flag. The guy had a picture on Facebook wearing a jacket wih a South African flag and a Rodesian flag, both strongholds for white supremacists. Rodesian is now Zimbabwe. Most Southern states have a Confederate flag flying over their Confederate memorial just as they have an American flag over their WW1 and WW2 memorials, Vietnam, etc. I was in a Houston library and there was a black man and woman doing genealogical research. I happened to see a book on black Union military units in the Civil War and handed the book to them. They proudly told me that their ancestors served for the South. Needless to say, I was left rather speechless. About four weeks ago, on my way to school there were three trucks in a row following each other through Marshall TX. One of the trailes said HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. They were obviously reenactors. The truck with sign was driven by a black guy. By the way, TEXAS had its own battle flag. There are three states that incorporate various civil war battle flags into them anyway. Four if you count TX. It is freedom of speech not a rácial issue. Many cities have replaced the Confederate battle flag with the 1st National flag anyway. Most people do not have enough knowledge about the Civil War to even know what it is. By the way, it is the true "Stars And Bars" Chandler showed me some pictures on Instagram of black men with the Confederate flag--one was an older man in a Confederate uniform carrying the flag on a pole and two other pictures were younger men holding the flag in front of them. He also made the comment about black soldiers fighting for Confederacy. . . ETA you are so right about respect for each other. It infuriates me to see people fly past a funeral procession---I don't care where you're going or how much time you have to get there. That is the last sign of respect we can show the deceased and their family; pull over to the side of the road for those 45 to 60 seconds. Perhaps someone will have the decency to do it for you or your loved ones one day.
I remember reading about this happening, but I don't recall the conditions that went with it. I do remember there were special conditions when that took place. It's such an old memory it might have been something I read back in the early 80s by John Jakes.
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Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-21 9:56 PM streakysox - 2015-06-21 3:47 PM I think it is a flag issue alright but they are looking at the wrong flag. The guy had a picture on Facebook wearing a jacket wih a South African flag and a Rodesian flag, both strongholds for white supremacists. Rodesian is now Zimbabwe. Most Southern states have a Confederate flag flying over their Confederate memorial just as they have an American flag over their WW1 and WW2 memorials, Vietnam, etc. I was in a Houston library and there was a black man and woman doing genealogical research. I happened to see a book on black Union military units in the Civil War and handed the book to them. They proudly told me that their ancestors served for the South. Needless to say, I was left rather speechless. About four weeks ago, on my way to school there were three trucks in a row following each other through Marshall TX. One of the trailes said HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. They were obviously reenactors. The truck with sign was driven by a black guy. By the way, TEXAS had its own battle flag. There are three states that incorporate various civil war battle flags into them anyway. Four if you count TX. It is freedom of speech not a rácial issue. Many cities have replaced the Confederate battle flag with the 1st National flag anyway. Most people do not have enough knowledge about the Civil War to even know what it is. By the way, it is the true "Stars And Bars" Chandler showed me some pictures on Instagram of black men with the Confederate flag--one was an older man in a Confederate uniform carrying the flag on a pole and two other pictures were younger men holding the flag in front of them. He also made the comment about black soldiers fighting for Confederacy. . . ETA you are so right about respect for each other. It infuriates me to see people fly past a funeral procession---I don't care where you're going or how much time you have to get there. That is the last sign of respect we can show the deceased and their family; pull over to the side of the road for those 45 to 60 seconds. Perhaps someone will have the decency to do it for you or your loved ones one day.
I remember reading about this happening, but I don't recall the conditions that went with it. I do remember there were special conditions when that took place. It's such an old memory it might have been something I read back in the early 80s by John Jakes.
I do a LOT of genealogy work and have for the past 20 years or so. My family is nearly all from the South. The only people in my family that had slaves lived in Connecticut. I had a bunch of relatives that fought in the Civil War. Many were Germans from New Orleans. They were in the sanitary corp. They dug latrines. Well, somebody had to do it. If you want to see how blacks were treated by the Union Army, wàtch the movie GLORY. True story.
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Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-21 9:56 PM streakysox - 2015-06-21 3:47 PM I think it is a flag issue alright but they are looking at the wrong flag. The guy had a picture on Facebook wearing a jacket wih a South African flag and a Rodesian flag, both strongholds for white supremacists. Rodesian is now Zimbabwe. Most Southern states have a Confederate flag flying over their Confederate memorial just as they have an American flag over their WW1 and WW2 memorials, Vietnam, etc. I was in a Houston library and there was a black man and woman doing genealogical research. I happened to see a book on black Union military units in the Civil War and handed the book to them. They proudly told me that their ancestors served for the South. Needless to say, I was left rather speechless. About four weeks ago, on my way to school there were three trucks in a row following each other through Marshall TX. One of the trailes said HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. They were obviously reenactors. The truck with sign was driven by a black guy. By the way, TEXAS had its own battle flag. There are three states that incorporate various civil war battle flags into them anyway. Four if you count TX. It is freedom of speech not a rácial issue. Many cities have replaced the Confederate battle flag with the 1st National flag anyway. Most people do not have enough knowledge about the Civil War to even know what it is. By the way, it is the true "Stars And Bars" Chandler showed me some pictures on Instagram of black men with the Confederate flag--one was an older man in a Confederate uniform carrying the flag on a pole and two other pictures were younger men holding the flag in front of them. He also made the comment about black soldiers fighting for Confederacy. . . ETA you are so right about respect for each other. It infuriates me to see people fly past a funeral procession---I don't care where you're going or how much time you have to get there. That is the last sign of respect we can show the deceased and their family; pull over to the side of the road for those 45 to 60 seconds. Perhaps someone will have the decency to do it for you or your loved ones one day.
I remember reading about this happening, but I don't recall the conditions that went with it. I do remember there were special conditions when that took place. It's such an old memory it might have been something I read back in the early 80s by John Jakes.
I do a LOT of genealogy work and have for the past 20 years or so. My family is nearly all from the South. The only people in my family that had slaves lived in Connecticut. I had a bunch of relatives that fought in the Civil War. Many were Germans from New Orleans. They were in the sanitary corp. They dug latrines. Well, somebody had to do it. If you want to see how blacks were treated by the Union Army, wàtch the movie GLORY. True story.
I asked him how he knew all this and he said "books, Momma, I read"!!! He loves the South and the Civil War and all the history that goes with it. When he was really young I would buy books about the southern generals and battles for him. When the merchant would ask who I was buying it for and I told them my 9 year old, they almost laughed at me. . . I was just always proud. And I still am. |
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Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-21 9:56 PM streakysox - 2015-06-21 3:47 PM I think it is a flag issue alright but they are looking at the wrong flag. The guy had a picture on Facebook wearing a jacket wih a South African flag and a Rodesian flag, both strongholds for white supremacists. Rodesian is now Zimbabwe. Most Southern states have a Confederate flag flying over their Confederate memorial just as they have an American flag over their WW1 and WW2 memorials, Vietnam, etc. I was in a Houston library and there was a black man and woman doing genealogical research. I happened to see a book on black Union military units in the Civil War and handed the book to them. They proudly told me that their ancestors served for the South. Needless to say, I was left rather speechless. About four weeks ago, on my way to school there were three trucks in a row following each other through Marshall TX. One of the trailes said HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. They were obviously reenactors. The truck with sign was driven by a black guy. By the way, TEXAS had its own battle flag. There are three states that incorporate various civil war battle flags into them anyway. Four if you count TX. It is freedom of speech not a rácial issue. Many cities have replaced the Confederate battle flag with the 1st National flag anyway. Most people do not have enough knowledge about the Civil War to even know what it is. By the way, it is the true "Stars And Bars" Chandler showed me some pictures on Instagram of black men with the Confederate flag--one was an older man in a Confederate uniform carrying the flag on a pole and two other pictures were younger men holding the flag in front of them. He also made the comment about black soldiers fighting for Confederacy. . . ETA you are so right about respect for each other. It infuriates me to see people fly past a funeral procession---I don't care where you're going or how much time you have to get there. That is the last sign of respect we can show the deceased and their family; pull over to the side of the road for those 45 to 60 seconds. Perhaps someone will have the decency to do it for you or your loved ones one day.
I remember reading about this happening, but I don't recall the conditions that went with it. I do remember there were special conditions when that took place. It's such an old memory it might have been something I read back in the early 80s by John Jakes.
I do a LOT of genealogy work and have for the past 20 years or so. My family is nearly all from the South. The only people in my family that had slaves lived in Connecticut. I had a bunch of relatives that fought in the Civil War. Many were Germans from New Orleans. They were in the sanitary corp. They dug latrines. Well, somebody had to do it. If you want to see how blacks were treated by the Union Army, wàtch the movie GLORY. True story.
I asked him how he knew all this and he said "books, Momma, I read"!!! He loves the South and the Civil War and all the history that goes with it. When he was really young I would buy books about the southern generals and battles for him. When the merchant would ask who I was buying it for and I told them my 9 year old, they almost laughed at me. . . I was just always proud. And I still am.
I recommend to him the John Jakes Bicentennial series. aka The Kent Family Chronicles... Good stuff... |
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | fatchance - 2015-06-20 4:25 PM Known as the battle flag. It has served no purpose but to divide ever since. The KKK likes it for a reason.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Chandler's Mom - 2015-06-21 9:56 PM streakysox - 2015-06-21 3:47 PM I think it is a flag issue alright but they are looking at the wrong flag. The guy had a picture on Facebook wearing a jacket wih a South African flag and a Rodesian flag, both strongholds for white supremacists. Rodesian is now Zimbabwe. Most Southern states have a Confederate flag flying over their Confederate memorial just as they have an American flag over their WW1 and WW2 memorials, Vietnam, etc. I was in a Houston library and there was a black man and woman doing genealogical research. I happened to see a book on black Union military units in the Civil War and handed the book to them. They proudly told me that their ancestors served for the South. Needless to say, I was left rather speechless. About four weeks ago, on my way to school there were three trucks in a row following each other through Marshall TX. One of the trailes said HOOD'S TEXAS BRIGADE. They were obviously reenactors. The truck with sign was driven by a black guy. By the way, TEXAS had its own battle flag. There are three states that incorporate various civil war battle flags into them anyway. Four if you count TX. It is freedom of speech not a rácial issue. Many cities have replaced the Confederate battle flag with the 1st National flag anyway. Most people do not have enough knowledge about the Civil War to even know what it is. By the way, it is the true "Stars And Bars" Chandler showed me some pictures on Instagram of black men with the Confederate flag--one was an older man in a Confederate uniform carrying the flag on a pole and two other pictures were younger men holding the flag in front of them. He also made the comment about black soldiers fighting for Confederacy. . . ETA you are so right about respect for each other. It infuriates me to see people fly past a funeral procession---I don't care where you're going or how much time you have to get there. That is the last sign of respect we can show the deceased and their family; pull over to the side of the road for those 45 to 60 seconds. Perhaps someone will have the decency to do it for you or your loved ones one day.
If you haven't visited, you need to go to the civil war museum in the Park hotel in Hot Springs. The man in there is very knowledgeable and loves to talk to people. Tons and tons of books and memorabilia.
Speaking of genealogy research, I was able to trace one of my family lines back to pre-Reveolutionary War in NC. Once of my ancestors moved from the Goshen Swamp area in the 1790s to the Cumberland area of TN. He had several hundred acres and slaves there. When he died around 1830, he freed them all, and left land to 4 of them. I thought that was pretty cool that he did that and from reading, I get the idea it wasn't that unusual. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Nevertooold - 2015-06-19 6:44 PM Here's a novel idea...How about instead of worrying about flags..we demand that the people in government quit lying and are held liable for their lies? Harry Reid knew he was lying about Romney not paying taxes and his answer was when he was asked.."He didn't win, did he?" It's all about getting the end result they want instead of getting what is best for our country and they will lie and cheat to get it and we the people aren't suppose to be ticked off.
They bash Trump for having money but think it's great that Hillary does. Could you imagine Hillary spending a dime on her on campaign? LOL
Just an FYI..It was the Democratic party that formed the KKK but when they figured out they needed the black vote is when they separated themselves from it. Just another day in the life of a liberal. Do what you have to do to get the result you want.
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | I live in SC. Very proud of our state in the way they are handling a horrible, senseless, tragedy. There has been no hate rioting, destorying of police vehicles, or burning of businesses. Too much good for some to handle so grab the low hanging fruit - the flag and gun control. I am a direct desendant of SC Governor Gist's second wife. Long family line of family ties to that era in histroy. It was a very different time. The flag was not placed on our state capital right after the war - it was placed there when segregation began in the South in the early sixties. That is my issues with the flying - not the flag itself - but the time it was placed on our capital. It wa to have been flown for 1 year - apparently someone forgot to take it down. Take it down or leave it up - it will not change the hate in anyone's heart. There are also pictures of the individual that took 9 beautiful lives visiting a confederate museum in upstate SC. Will the museum be closed? Will those who make money off the confederate flag sold on clothing, patches. license plates, the flag, etc. be ordered to close down. I can go along with taking it down and putting it in a museum - but as I said earlier - I don't think it change the hatred in peoples hearts. Our Governonr is scheduled to hold a news conference this afternoon. It is anticipated it will be about the flag. Apparently there in a loophole that will allow for it to taken down within 10 days by tying it onto our state budget which has yet to a approved. Will be interesting to see what she has to say. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | Governor Haley called for the removal of the Confederate Flag from the state house grounds. Will be up for vote. Pretty sure it is on its way down.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | cruise - 2015-06-22 3:29 PM Governor Hailey called for the removal of the Confederate Flag from the state house grounds. Will be up for vote. Pretty sure it is on its way down.
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Mitt is wrong. It's about Southern Pride.
Mitt sure has a lot to say now that he isn't running. What a joke. He needed to stand up when he was running instead of backing down like a whipped pup and handing the election over to Obama.
Really??? Southern pride?
You need to do some research on the confederate flag. It has nothing to do with "Southern Pride".......the flag that is being flown is a symbol of hatred and racism. The flag that is being flown is the battle flag......
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Location: Prosser, WA | I can see both sides of this. But really this can keep going. What if people from the south start saying that the USA flag is insulting. I mean the US army carried it when defeating the Confederates. People in the northern states also owned slaves. But I wouldn't want to have to change it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kakbarrelracer - 2015-06-22 4:04 PM I can see both sides of this. But really this can keep going. What if people from the south start saying that the USA flag is insulting. I mean the US army carried it when defeating the Confederates. People in the northern states also owned slaves. But I wouldn't want to have to change it.
The flag means what you think it means. Some people display it out of southern pride, some because they think it's badass, some use it to signify their hate. You could say the same about most symbols. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2015-06-22 4:09 PM kakbarrelracer - 2015-06-22 4:04 PM I can see both sides of this. But really this can keep going. What if people from the south start saying that the USA flag is insulting. I mean the US army carried it when defeating the Confederates. People in the northern states also owned slaves. But I wouldn't want to have to change it. The flag means what you think it means. Some people display it out of southern pride, some because they think it's badass, some use it to signify their hate. You could say the same about most symbols.
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