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Location: North Dakota | There's these cool things called legs that some of us use to get around on. IMO nobody, especially children have any business ripping around events on motorized vehicles. That is just an accident waiting to happen. Make a rule, enforce said rule, problem solved. | |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice. | |
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 A Barrel Of Monkeys
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Location: Texas | OK ya'll, I tried to protect my kids from just about every danger. You can't be there every single minute. I doubt anyone would guess a kid would fall from a golf cart.
When I first started working in a hospital, a child was brought in who had fallen off the tailgate of a pickup that was slowly driving thru a pasture. She died.
Did you know how dangerous trampolenes are? Ask an ER doctor.
And now that I'm a grandma, the sight of a kid on a horse without a helmet just makes me mad.
My prayers go out to the family of the precious child. | |
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Miss Southern Sunshine
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Location: South Central Florida | I wasn't there and personally have not see all that many near accidents at big shows. I see golf carts driven by adults do stupid things. I know NBHA Youth Worlds had some pretty strict rules about vehicles/youth driving but I really DON'T see or want the rules changed for everyone. We don't own a living quarters trailer, sometimes parking...horse...tack are not close enough to walk it 5 or 6 times a day. I can walk it, but I know people with knee problems, and other health issues that this would make big shows impossible.
I believe life happens, tragedys happen and we learn from them and move on but totaly banning things just isn't a good answer.
I have seen people seriously injurred ON HORSES, even wearing helmets. Had a bad wreck at the FL State show this year...actually 2, but I don't want to ban barrel racing.
There are enherrant dangers in life, some are not even unavoidable, some are.
The family is probably feeling insanely guilty already.
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| Fun2Run - 2015-07-02 11:26 AM
OK ya'll, I tried to protect my kids from just about every danger. You can't be there every single minute. I doubt anyone would guess a kid would fall from a golf cart.
When I first started working in a hospital, a child was brought in who had fallen off the tailgate of a pickup that was slowly driving thru a pasture. She died.
Did you know how dangerous trampolenes are? Ask an ER doctor.
And now that I'm a grandma, the sight of a kid on a horse without a helmet just makes me mad.
My prayers go out to the family of the precious child.
I think some homeowners insurance companies even ask about trampolines now. | |
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 Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice.
Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity. | |
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Go Get Em!
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Location: OH. IO | NJJ - 2015-07-02 11:40 AM
Itsme - 2015-07-02 8:13 AM Never let a good tragedy go to waste...
IF just ONE person learns from a tragedy....it is NOT a waste to discuss it......
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | outrundaizy - 2015-07-02 12:11 PM Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice. Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity.
I agree....we have showed at the OKC Fairgrounds MANY times and never felt the need to have a golf cart or ATV. You can drive up and park very near the barns or arenas at any time of the day in the parking lots. | |
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| Swannranch - 2015-07-02 11:28 AM
I wasn't there and personally have not see all that many near accidents at big shows. I see golf carts driven by adults do stupid things. I know NBHA Youth Worlds had some pretty strict rules about vehicles/youth driving but I really DON'T see or want the rules changed for everyone. We don't own a living quarters trailer, sometimes parking...horse...tack are not close enough to walk it 5 or 6 times a day. I can walk it, but I know people with knee problems, and other health issues that this would make big shows impossible.
I believe life happens, tragedys happen and we learn from them and move on but totaly banning things just isn't a good answer.
I have seen people seriously injurred ON HORSES, even wearing helmets. Had a bad wreck at the FL State show this year...actually 2, but I don't want to ban barrel racing.
There are enherrant dangers in life, some are not even unavoidable, some are.
The family is probably feeling insanely guilty already.
I couldnt agree more.
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| Put on your own show and have all the rules you want...
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | NJJ - 2015-07-02 3:14 PM outrundaizy - 2015-07-02 12:11 PM Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice. Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity.
I have to also agree. 20 degrees with humidity (and I would have gladly taken WY's 30 below) and I spilled a bucket of water down my leg. Had to walk a very long way back to the trailer to change. I made it without dying and even walked back. It may not be as easy as having some wheels, but it is plenty do-able. | |
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| Itsme - 2015-07-02 8:13 AM
Never let a good tragedy go to waste...
As usual, no one reads what I post
The vocabulary word for today is empathy.
Edited by streakysox 2015-07-02 11:30 PM
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I dont think anyone is referring directly to the accident or a accident..I know Im not.......
with atvs you are putting alot of people at risk not yourself.. horses spook etc.. a golf cart at least isnt as dangerous at large events.. you can say your careful and thats fine but if a horse spooked or ran into your path etc.. accidents happen.. accidents happen doing anything yes.. but there are times when its risky ..and if it cna be avoided then great...... is all I personally am saying.. | |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | streakysox - 2015-07-02 3:35 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler.
My heart just breaks for them---to be at an event that should be so enjoyable and fun and have this happen is unthinkable. | |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 11:14 PM
streakysox - 2015-07-02 3:35 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler.
My heart just breaks for them---to be at an event that should be so enjoyable and fun and have this happen is unthinkable.
The thing that I find so upsetting is that this family was making sure that Carmen was able to do what she loved to do. I teach in a substance abuse facility. Parents of my little dumplings have never done anything with them. No little league, nothing. That is the exact reason that they are in drug rehab. So you have Carmen's parents who are actually trying to be parents lose their beautiful child. It seems so unfair.
To all of you who think parents are the problem here, why don't you come work where I work. You probably would not last one day. | |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | streakysox - 2015-07-02 11:28 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 11:14 PM
streakysox - 2015-07-02 3:35 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2015-07-02 2:05 AM
astreakinchic - 2015-07-01 7:35 PM
If you want someone to monitor your going to haft to pay that person and NBHA doesn't even wanna pay people to sit at other doors which is the reason Youth World has only one entrance. So forget trying to get big producers to police that or enforce laws. Some smaller like 400-500 stall facilities will police themselves with warnings to the promoter but at these large shows its hard to keep up with everyone and the people putting on the show are so busy in the office they can't police the barn, they do good keeping the office, arena, etc staff going.
But we really have a parenting problem in America. Not bringing up a political discuss but I can't help it this is the same as banning guns because guns kill people. Parents need to watch their kids and teach them safety. Every big show its the same story most kids run wild with no parent in site. I was at AAY and can tell you that there were tons of kiddos running around like wild banshees. Its like the parents see these big shows as a place to relax and throw the kids loose.
I hate it for the family and many prayers to them!
My friend and her two daughters were at AA and she said she was scared to death to drive around because of all the kids running wild on bikes or 4 wheelers or scooters, etc. She said they were dodging in and out of trucks; her daughter asked to drive slowly around the area and Nat told her absolutely not, that it was just an accident waiting to happen that weekend. Last year they borrowed our LQ trailer and stayed on site. She said the nights were horrible---kids were throwing water balloons and screaming and running around at 3 am and no parent supervision. When she walked out finally to tell them to stop and go to bed, she said they just looked at her and walked to the other side of the trailer and started again. I don't know that banning is the answer----but parents taking responsibility and teaching kids respect and enforcing common sense rules would most definitely help I think.
I am so sorry for this child and her family. It's a horrible tragedy. Did I understand correctly that she was a passenger on the 4 wheeler and fell off??
Her mother said on Facebook that she turned to tell some kids they had missed her with a water balloon. She slipped off and her head bounced on the asphalt several times. She did say that she was coming back from feeding the horse. Nothing was mentioned about an adult being present or if someone else was on the 4 Wheeler.
My heart just breaks for them---to be at an event that should be so enjoyable and fun and have this happen is unthinkable.
The thing that I find so upsetting is that this family was making sure that Carmen was able to do what she loved to do. I teach in a substance abuse facility. Parents of my little dumplings have never done anything with them. No little league, nothing. That is the exact reason that they are in drug rehab. So you have Carmen's parents who are actually trying to be parents lose their beautiful child. It seems so unfair.
To all of you who think parents are the problem here, why don't you come work where I work. You probably would not last one day.
I would just like to say that I have so much respect for what you do; my extended family has some substance abuse issues, and I have enough sense to KNOW I couldn't deal with what you do on a daily basis. | |
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Location: Mississippi | komet. - 2015-07-01 8:32 PM
missroselee - 2015-07-01 11:03 AM
I know this is NOT the appropriate time to be putting this out there. But I've not been known to hold back.
For years, at every major race we have attended, my husband and I have always been extremely bothered by the use of ATVs by EVERYBODY, not just children. It's scary. Not everyone is being extremely dangerous, but as made obvious recently, it doesn't always take speed or danger to create a horrific accident. I know some places do not allow four wheelers.
Am I the only person that feels that there need to be MUCH stricter rules and regulations concerning ATVs at barrel races? Either they need to be banned, or restricted to adult use only, or at least require helmets? I am not saying that the parents of the child that passed should have made her wear a helmet, so please don't think I am blaming them. My heart is breaking in pieces for what they are going through.
But at the same time, why can't we all ban together to prevent another family from going through it? I know ATVs are convenient at races. But we can all survive without them.
Am I way out of line? Or is it fair to ask that changes be considered?
Well.... I understand where you are coming from, tho I've never seen an ATV at a horse event.
Maybe someone here can explain to me why motorcycles are permitted to make noise many decibels higher than my truck or car.
It's for safety with motercycles. Most people aren't looking for them or just plane don't see them. A motercycle being loud helps other motorist to notice that there is something out there, to look and see what the noise is coming from | |
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| outrundaizy - 2015-07-02 12:11 PM
Griz - 2015-07-02 11:24 AM If any of you have been to the OKC Shootout, you will understand why ATVs, golf carts, etc. are needed. If you are camping there, it is WAY too far to walk to do chores, carry tack, etc. so I don't think they could be banned, rules however might be nice.
Ive ran at okc several times, never rented a golf cart, and dont own one. It just bothers me when people call something that is clearly a "want" a necessity.
I have gone many times too without a cart or a 4 wheeler, however, my friend's 80 yr old husband needed his golf cart to get close to the barns. | |
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| I don't think 4 wheelers or golf carts should be banned, period. I don't own either one, but you know, at Waco in the fall, and OKC, and other places that are sprawled out and there's like a mile from the trailer to the stalls to the arenas, and I'm hot or frozen and miserable, a shotgun ride to the next stop is so blissful. I feel that self accountability is a beautiful thing. There are always going to be accidents, there will always be tragedies. Life is short and so very uncertain. The best thing to do anyway is always be on your guard against others that are in the midst of a mistake, or negligence. You can get smacked by a banned golf cart just as quickly as you can an allowed one. An accident can take place involving a 4 wheeler just as quickly at home as at a barrel race. Tragedies are terrible, terrible things, and my heart truly goes out to the family that was at the center of the accident, but I don't feel that this should negatively impact others that want or need an ATV at a barrel race. | |
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