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hotpaints
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Off topic a little but this explains why I'm so reluctant to spend much $$ for lameness issues unless the problem is obvious : I have worked for and with many different vets. I have very little confidence in them for lameness diagnosis. I have more confidence in experienced trainers. Not just jockey type of trainers but trainers that can ride, train and really feel what is going on underneath them. I have always thought that a good lameness vet needs to be able to ride as well OR have an assistant that can hop on and ride then translate to the vet what they feel.

"Problem" horses may do a lot better with another rider/trainer that can tell if the problems are physical or attitude related.

Riding should be fun! I don't mind a challenge but I want to know that the horse is making positive progress. I want to want to go out and ride that particular horse. When I run into a wall with a horse, I usually will get help but I'm not willing to keep putting in the work when I dread riding that particular horse. I sell them at a loss and move on.

The OP's friend needs to sell at a loss and move on. Too much  has happened and I don't think she will ever have a positive, want to attitude for riding that horse.

 
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Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-08 1:04 PM

Did she buy this horse knowing he was green?Β 

Um, NO.

Thanks for the experts bashing her who I have clearly not been thorough enough with in describing the owner or the issue. The sometime lack of understanding on the board are why I have hesitated to participate more. When it is good it is great but often it is less than kind or understanding.

She bought a horse without much background checking simply due to the fact that a big time winner in her area had him. She trusted them and learned a lesson. Just because they made a few good runs in their hometown arena she took their word as fact. He had breeding and color. But because she was vulnerable in that aspect does not mean she isn't capable of managing a horse. She knows her limitations on time, job, home life which is why she bought what she thought was a finished and safe horse. She has spent thousands- she is very educated in the care of a horse. She doesn't just go get an adjustment or throw some herbs at him, she uses ultrasound, Xray, lameness locator, scope. She used a top rated equine lameness vet. But she was not thorough in her vet check. But who checks a horses lungs or heart? Or if they don't flex sore, who pulls blood on a $15k horse from a icon? Maybe you do but she did not.

Streakin, I will gladly give her your info and she would love a trade. I am even betting she will be kind enough to turn over all her xrays and findings and see what you can do with him. She has spent two years trying to get him sound and healthy just in hopes of 3d runs but sounds like you are much more fit for the task at hand. But she in honest enough to tell you his issues are not fixable only manageable overall pending this last lameness which may not heal ever. She is done. Stupid or over her head, no. Done, yes.

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Zebra racer - 2015-07-09 2:52 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-08 1:04 PM Did she buy this horse knowing he was green? 
Um, NO. Thanks for the experts bashing her who I have clearly not been thorough enough with in describing the owner or the issue. The sometime lack of understanding on the board are why I have hesitated to participate more. When it is good it is great but often it is less than kind or understanding. She bought a horse without much background checking simply due to the fact that a big time winner in her area had him. She trusted them and learned a lesson. Just because they made a few good runs in their hometown arena she took their word as fact. He had breeding and color. But because she was vulnerable in that aspect does not mean she isn't capable of managing a horse. She knows her limitations on time, job, home life which is why she bought what she thought was a finished and safe horse. She has spent thousands- she is very educated in the care of a horse. She doesn't just go get an adjustment or throw some herbs at him, she uses ultrasound, Xray, lameness locator, scope. She used a top rated equine lameness vet. But she was not thorough in her vet check. But who checks a horses lungs or heart? Or if they don't flex sore, who pulls blood on a $15k horse from a icon? Maybe you do but she did not. Streakin, I will gladly give her your info and she would love a trade. I am even betting she will be kind enough to turn over all her xrays and findings and see what you can do with him. She has spent two years trying to get him sound and healthy just in hopes of 3d runs but sounds like you are much more fit for the task at hand. But she in honest enough to tell you his issues are not fixable only manageable overall pending this last lameness which may not heal ever. She is done. Stupid or over her head, no. Done, yes.

You said he was a green horse thats why I was asking, I was not bashing, you are the one that brought it up, being green. 
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Southtxponygirl
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Zebra racer - 2015-07-08 11:31 AM I assure you, she can figure it out. She has invested a lot of money in vet bills to fix a POS horse IMO. Yes, she is very busy with her job and family and not dedicated to riding him everyday but that doesn't make her a bad owner or rider. She spends most of her horse time, doctoring or hand walking him or cleaning his stall. Prior to that she would be hurt from getting bucked off and couldn't ride a few weeks at a time. She turns him out and warms him up properly. He is just a POS, again, JMO. Price paid does not equate a good horse neither do papers or trainer. She learned a lesson. Look for more history of runs and videos or results to prove it. The horse was green and with a pro girl who held him together and made him look like a decent horse.

 This is what I read, the horse was green.
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Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-08 1:04 PM

Did she buy this horse knowing he was green?Β 

Um, NO.

Thanks for the experts bashing her who I have clearly not been thorough enough with in describing the owner or the issue. The sometime lack of understanding on the board are why I have hesitated to participate more. When it is good it is great but often it is less than kind or understanding.

She bought a horse without much background checking simply due to the fact that a big time winner in her area had him. She trusted them and learned a lesson. Just because they made a few good runs in their hometown arena she took their word as fact. He had breeding and color. But because she was vulnerable in that aspect does not mean she isn't capable of managing a horse. She knows her limitations on time, job, home life which is why she bought what she thought was a finished and safe horse. She has spent thousands- she is very educated in the care of a horse. She doesn't just go get an adjustment or throw some herbs at him, she uses ultrasound, Xray, lameness locator, scope. She used a top rated equine lameness vet. But she was not thorough in her vet check. But who checks a horses lungs or heart? Or if they don't flex sore, who pulls blood on a $15k horse from a icon? Maybe you do but she did not.

Streakin, I will gladly give her your info and she would love a trade. I am even betting she will be kind enough to turn over all her xrays and findings and see what you can do with him. She has spent two years trying to get him sound and healthy just in hopes of 3d runs but sounds like you are much more fit for the task at hand. But she in honest enough to tell you his issues are not fixable only manageable overall pending this last lameness which may not heal ever. She is done. Stupid or over her head, no. Done, yes.


I didnt comment on anything about what the owner did or didn't do, but as a vet student and a horse owner and a competitor.. if you are doing a pre purchase exam, your vet better listen to heart and lungs and the seller should allow blood to be pulled. I have never requested blood to be pulled but I've done a lot of pre purchases with a vet I worked for and we most definitely listen to heart and lung sounds.


Actually.. to be honest, and I know a lot vets don't do it on lameness exams and such.. we should really listen to heart and lungs every time the horse comes in. we should always get a TPR (temp, pulse, respiration) regardless of the reason why the horse is coming in.



I don't hold anything against your friend. It happens.
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hotpaints - 2015-07-09 2:06 PM

Off topic a little but this explains why I'm so reluctant to spend much $$ for lameness issues unless the problem is obvious : I have worked for and with many different vets. I have very little confidence in them for lameness diagnosis. I have more confidence in experienced trainers. Not just jockey type of trainers but trainers that can ride, train and really feel what is going on underneath them. I have always thought that a good lameness vet needs to be able to ride as well OR have an assistant that can hop on and ride then translate to the vet what they feel.

"Problem" horses may do a lot better with another rider/trainer that can tell if the problems are physical or attitude related.

Riding should be fun! I don't mind a challenge but I want to know that the horse is making positive progress. I want to want to go out and ride that particular horse. When I run into a wall with a horse, I usually will get help but I'm not willing to keep putting in the work when I dread riding that particular horse. I sell them at a loss and move on.

The OP's friend needs to sell at a loss and move on. Too muchΒ  has happened and I don't think she will ever have a positive, want to attitude for riding that horse.

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Well when i graduate vet school I will be one of those that can and does ride :P. Have to say I won't jump on every client's horse due to the liability issue of getting thrown off and busting my head open, but I am glad I will have my knowledge base riding, running, and training to help make decisions about horses I see.
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He might be a bucker bc of the injuries. I have a friend that has rehabbed a few horses like this and did all the vet care and brought them back slow and the current one is back running 1D at the big jackpots with a young girl. If she doesn't want to deal with the horse, I would try first to see if someone that was experienced wanted a project before I euthanized or took to sale barn.
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Please don't be angry with others who may think there is another side to the story, because there usually is. I think this whole thing could have gone one of two ways.

A) Your friend trusted someone with a popular name, which I always find baffling--Just because someone has won a lot of money/titles, doesn't necessarily make them a good or bad person. There are good and bad people in all walks of life. Winning gold buckles doesn't make your heart golden too! A lot of times we want to idolize winners in the arena, but SOME of them just don't deserve it. This person "saw your friend coming" and sold her a horse with many problems for a decent price tag. This is just an example of how important "buyer beware" is. It is the buyer's responsibility to do as much research as possible before making a purchase. If this is the case, I do feel sorry for your friend for learning the hard way. I hope she can come up with a plan to do what is best for her as well as the horse and move forward. I still see no sense in looking back to what should have been done and whatnot... it is over, damage is done, move on.

B) Your friend bought a supped up prospect from a big name that came with a "big" price tag because the horse has been shown by a pro and clocked well in competition. $15k is really not all that out of line for a good looking, nice bred, prospect that is showing promise at a local pen. You say that your friend didn't think to run tests on the horses lungs or heart, so what makes you think that the owner did as well? If it is a young horse, maybe the owner had never even had him vetted for anything... how would you know if there is really something wrong, if no obvious symptoms arise. You never know.. the feeding/training program she had him on could have been hiding any of these "symptoms" that your friend is now seeing because she is not riding him and feeding him in the same way. Horses are not machines and they will act different with different treatment.

It scares me to read stories like this because even though I am not saying situation B is how it must have went down, I can't help but think that those instances do happen and that makes me scared to sell my prospects to people. I would not want someone accusing me of wrongdoing when I legitimately thought I was selling a nice horse for a fair price.

Once again, I hope that your friend can find a way to get out of all of this. Either way, it sucks for both parties and I hate seeing that. I just would try my hardest to move on and not speak poorly of the seller because that only makes you look bad. Whether it is deserved or not, if you know that your friend was mistreated, make a point to never do business with her again, but I'd keep it to yourself, if it were me.
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Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-08 1:04 PM

Did she buy this horse knowing he was green?Β 

Um, NO.

Thanks for the experts bashing her who I have clearly not been thorough enough with in describing the owner or the issue. The sometime lack of understanding on the board are why I have hesitated to participate more. When it is good it is great but often it is less than kind or understanding.

She bought a horse without much background checking simply due to the fact that a big time winner in her area had him. She trusted them and learned a lesson. Just because they made a few good runs in their hometown arena she took their word as fact. He had breeding and color. But because she was vulnerable in that aspect does not mean she isn't capable of managing a horse. She knows her limitations on time, job, home life which is why she bought what she thought was a finished and safe horse. She has spent thousands- she is very educated in the care of a horse. She doesn't just go get an adjustment or throw some herbs at him, she uses ultrasound, Xray, lameness locator, scope. She used a top rated equine lameness vet. But she was not thorough in her vet check. But who checks a horses lungs or heart? Or if they don't flex sore, who pulls blood on a $15k horse from a icon? Maybe you do but she did not.

Streakin, I will gladly give her your info and she would love a trade. I am even betting she will be kind enough to turn over all her xrays and findings and see what you can do with him. She has spent two years trying to get him sound and healthy just in hopes of 3d runs but sounds like you are much more fit for the task at hand. But she in honest enough to tell you his issues are not fixable only manageable overall pending this last lameness which may not heal ever. She is done. Stupid or over her head, no. Done, yes.


CALM YOURSELF
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Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-08 1:04 PM

Did she buy this horse knowing he was green?Β 

Um, NO.

Thanks for the experts bashing her who I have clearly not been thorough enough with in describing the owner or the issue. The sometime lack of understanding on the board are why I have hesitated to participate more. When it is good it is great but often it is less than kind or understanding.

She bought a horse without much background checking simply due to the fact that a big time winner in her area had him. She trusted them and learned a lesson. Just because they made a few good runs in their hometown arena she took their word as fact. He had breeding and color. But because she was vulnerable in that aspect does not mean she isn't capable of managing a horse. She knows her limitations on time, job, home life which is why she bought what she thought was a finished and safe horse. She has spent thousands- she is very educated in the care of a horse. She doesn't just go get an adjustment or throw some herbs at him, she uses ultrasound, Xray, lameness locator, scope. She used a top rated equine lameness vet. But she was not thorough in her vet check. But who checks a horses lungs or heart? Or if they don't flex sore, who pulls blood on a $15k horse from a icon? Maybe you do but she did not.

Streakin, I will gladly give her your info and she would love a trade. I am even betting she will be kind enough to turn over all her xrays and findings and see what you can do with him. She has spent two years trying to get him sound and healthy just in hopes of 3d runs but sounds like you are much more fit for the task at hand. But she in honest enough to tell you his issues are not fixable only manageable overall pending this last lameness which may not heal ever. She is done. Stupid or over her head, no. Done, yes.


CALM YOURSELF

Sorry, I am calming myself, please forgive me. I feel my friend is a victim and I felt for a minute that some were calling her stupid and she is far from stupid.
I have not bashed the seller. In fact I stuck up for the seller to my friend because I don't think the seller is smart enough to know all that was wrong with this horse but my friend thinks otherwise. She knows she learned an expensive lesson. I have not named the seller to all those who have messaged me wanting the horse for free or asking who to avoid.
My friend is smart enough to know his bucking was likely from him not being ridden enough. Then she dedicated a solid 45 days to riding regularly and he still bucks so she goes to the vet. This is where it started to unravel. He is a plethora of a medical mess. She doesn't hate the horse, but I hate it for her.
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Southtxponygirl - 2015-07-08 1:04 PM Did she buy this horse knowing he was green? 
Um, NO. Thanks for the experts bashing her who I have clearly not been thorough enough with in describing the owner or the issue. The sometime lack of understanding on the board are why I have hesitated to participate more. When it is good it is great but often it is less than kind or understanding. She bought a horse without much background checking simply due to the fact that a big time winner in her area had him. She trusted them and learned a lesson. Just because they made a few good runs in their hometown arena she took their word as fact. He had breeding and color. But because she was vulnerable in that aspect does not mean she isn't capable of managing a horse. She knows her limitations on time, job, home life which is why she bought what she thought was a finished and safe horse. She has spent thousands- she is very educated in the care of a horse. She doesn't just go get an adjustment or throw some herbs at him, she uses ultrasound, Xray, lameness locator, scope. She used a top rated equine lameness vet. But she was not thorough in her vet check. But who checks a horses lungs or heart? Or if they don't flex sore, who pulls blood on a $15k horse from a icon? Maybe you do but she did not. Streakin, I will gladly give her your info and she would love a trade. I am even betting she will be kind enough to turn over all her xrays and findings and see what you can do with him. She has spent two years trying to get him sound and healthy just in hopes of 3d runs but sounds like you are much more fit for the task at hand. But she in honest enough to tell you his issues are not fixable only manageable overall pending this last lameness which may not heal ever. She is done. Stupid or over her head, no. Done, yes.
CALM YOURSELF
Sorry, I am calming myself, please forgive me. I feel my friend is a victim and I felt for a minute that some were calling her stupid and she is far from stupid. I have not bashed the seller. In fact I stuck up for the seller to my friend because I don't think the seller is smart enough to know all that was wrong with this horse but my friend thinks otherwise. She knows she learned an expensive lesson. I have not named the seller to all those who have messaged me wanting the horse for free or asking who to avoid. My friend is smart enough to know his bucking was likely from him not being ridden enough. Then she dedicated a solid 45 days to riding regularly and he still bucks so she goes to the vet. This is where it started to unravel. He is a plethora of a medical mess. She doesn't hate the horse, but I hate it for her.

Unfortunately it happens. I've been there, know how it feels. Your friend is not stupid, $15k is quite a bit of money to spend on a horse with issues, but then again...issues sometimes don't always arise at the time. Don't beat yourself up, nor let your friend beat herself up.....crap happens. It's best to keep a positive thought and look for a better way to resolve the issue. 
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I really have been debating on whether or not to give my two cents, but here goes nothing.

If you have enough money burning a hole in your pocket to buy a 15k horse on someone's word, then cough up the money to get a GOOD care team in place, sounds like this horse is in pain and nothing is being done about it. You cannot call a horse a POS just because he is hurt and his owner rides him anyways. That's asking for trouble and whatever happens is on the owner, NOT the horse.


I have a POS horse, and he is going to live in my back pasture til the day he dies. Because I will NOT be liable when he kills someone (and he would if given the chance). He has a running total of 2 broken backs, 3 broken arms, and 2 severe concussions under his belt from the 'cowboys' who said there was nothing wrong with him. We spent over 10k on diagnosing him alone, and he was 16 when I got him. Turns out he's just a counterfeit bronc, he is in amazing health. It's a shame because this gelding could run a 20 second pole pattern in his sleep. Too bad it took 3 people, a blindfold and hobbles to get him in the arena. He's completely psychotic. He has calmed down quite a bit in the pasture these past 3 years of retirement, My brother actually rode him bareback in a halter at a walk for the first time in years the other day and he was ok, but that's about as far as we will push his good behavior, even at 26 years old. haha

ETA: I'm not calling her stupid or anything, I know how it feels when a horse is misrepresented. ^^That gelding was given to be as a dead head trail horse who they put their 5 year olds on....You see how well that went huh?

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I am thinking this horse was misrepresented. The seller possibly knew this and didn't disclose any underlying issues and the horse could have been easily drugged up on a plethora of drugs in order to make it not a bucker those few times. I have seen it done more times that you would imagine. A lot these "big named" trainers drug these horse to make them look good and sell them at a high price because they are "so and so" and then the horse goes on and people struggle with the horse. I've seen it happen many many times
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I know someone that could sell this horse as perfectly sound..... as soon as she gets out of jail....
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komet. - 2015-07-10 3:47 PM I know someone that could sell this horse as perfectly sound..... as soon as she gets out of jail....

Gee, I wonder.....
HAAAAAAAA!
Komet's got jokes LOL! 
 
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Thats too funny. Well not really to,all the people seh scammed.
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 I would think, from everything I've read, that the person was looking for a pretty finished horse because of her obligations in life. I think she was looking to throw her leg over her horse and enjoy him. 15K is a butt load of money to spend only to not get what you thought. There are not many people who can afford a 15K "fixer."  It appears that her obligations in life outweigh her wish to get injured on this horse; understandably so. Whatever his problems are, it appears that this person has spent money looking for answers and is simply done. I've been in this position and it is overwhelmingly frustrating. My "problem" has been a pasture ornament for the last 14 years because I didn't want her to end up hurting someone else or being hurt by someone else. Her issues were man made long before I bought her, so I kept her. I didn't spend 15K though. That is a chunk of cash. I wish all the best to the lady in this situation, and if anyone that has offered to trade or take this horse, I hope it works out. 
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-10 12:31 PM

I really have been debating on whether or not to give my two cents, but here goes nothing.

If you have enough money burning a hole in your pocket to buy a 15k horse on someone's word, then cough up the money to get a GOOD care team in place, sounds like this horse is in pain and nothing is being done about it. You cannot call a horse a POS just because he is hurt and his owner rides him anyways. That's asking for trouble and whatever happens is on the owner, NOT the horse.


I have a POS horse, and he is going to live in my back pasture til the day he dies. Because I will NOT be liable when he kills someone (and he would if given the chance). He has a running total of 2 broken backs, 3 broken arms, and 2 severe concussions under his belt from the 'cowboys' who said there was nothing wrong with him. We spent over 10k on diagnosing him alone, and he was 16 when I got him. Turns out he's just a counterfeit bronc, he is in amazing health. It's a shame because this gelding could run a 20 second pole pattern in his sleep. Too bad it took 3 people, a blindfold and hobbles to get him in the arena. He's completely psychotic. He has calmed down quite a bit in the pasture these past 3 years of retirement, My brother actually rode him bareback in a halter at a walk for the first time in years the other day and he was ok, but that's about as far as we will push his good behavior, even at 26 years old. haha

ETA: I'm not calling her stupid or anything, I know how it feels when a horse is misrepresented. ^^That gelding was given to be as a dead head trail horse who they put their 5 year olds on....You see how well that went huh?

See that is where you are judgmental and wrong. She spent more than the average cost of a horse that was being run in his current condition. She knew to have a vet check, it just wasn't extensive enough. Have you ever done an echocardiogram? What all have you tested for on blood tests? Did you scope your last purchase? I would love proof of you bill to confirm.

She saw the sellers later at a big race and they told her she was babying the horse and to just run him. My bet is her team as you call it is likely better than most replying to this post.
The POS is my opinion, not hers. That is why she wants to do the right thing and disclose his condition and it is a long laundry list of issues that she has spent thousands on. She has bought several fixer uppers for $2500-$5000- she doesn't have money burning a hole in her pocket. She tried to upgrade her purchases and did a vet check.

You are better than I, I would not feed a counterfeit bronc, as you have called him, till his death, sounds like you might also have money burning a hole in your pocket?

She does not and that is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection. She was just trying to repair him in hopes he would have a chance but it looks as if he wont. My bet is she could list him on here for $1000 and folks would line up in effort to fix him. Hell, several have sent me messages offering.
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 Sounds like putting him down might be a good option... if he is dangerous, and she gave him away with full disclosure, I bet she would still feel guilty if he hurt someone...

And if his health issues can't be fixed and he has no quality of life, that's the kindest thing to do.
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Posted 2015-07-13 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: What would you do? Selling a lame horse


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Zebra racer - 2015-07-13 9:19 AM

FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-07-10 12:31 PM

I really have been debating on whether or not to give my two cents, but here goes nothing.

If you have enough money burning a hole in your pocket to buy a 15k horse on someone's word, then cough up the money to get a GOOD care team in place, sounds like this horse is in pain and nothing is being done about it. You cannot call a horse a POS just because he is hurt and his owner rides him anyways. That's asking for trouble and whatever happens is on the owner, NOT the horse.


I have a POS horse, and he is going to live in my back pasture til the day he dies. Because I will NOT be liable when he kills someone (and he would if given the chance). He has a running total of 2 broken backs, 3 broken arms, and 2 severe concussions under his belt from the 'cowboys' who said there was nothing wrong with him. We spent over 10k on diagnosing him alone, and he was 16 when I got him. Turns out he's just a counterfeit bronc, he is in amazing health. It's a shame because this gelding could run a 20 second pole pattern in his sleep. Too bad it took 3 people, a blindfold and hobbles to get him in the arena. He's completely psychotic. He has calmed down quite a bit in the pasture these past 3 years of retirement, My brother actually rode him bareback in a halter at a walk for the first time in years the other day and he was ok, but that's about as far as we will push his good behavior, even at 26 years old. haha

ETA: I'm not calling her stupid or anything, I know how it feels when a horse is misrepresented. ^^That gelding was given to be as a dead head trail horse who they put their 5 year olds on....You see how well that went huh?

See that is where you are judgmental and wrong. She spent more than the average cost of a horse that was being run in his current condition. She knew to have a vet check, it just wasn't extensive enough. Have you ever done an echocardiogram? What all have you tested for on blood tests? Did you scope your last purchase? I would love proof of you bill to confirm.

She saw the sellers later at a big race and they told her she was babying the horse and to just run him. My bet is her team as you call it is likely better than most replying to this post.
The POS is my opinion, not hers. That is why she wants to do the right thing and disclose his condition and it is a long laundry list of issues that she has spent thousands on. She has bought several fixer uppers for $2500-$5000- she doesn't have money burning a hole in her pocket. She tried to upgrade her purchases and did a vet check.

You are better than I, I would not feed a counterfeit bronc, as you have called him, till his death, sounds like you might also have money burning a hole in your pocket?

She does not and that is why she most likely is putting him down next week. No liability and no commitment to a horse that has not done the job he was purchased to do. There is no emotional connection. She was just trying to repair him in hopes he would have a chance but it looks as if he wont. My bet is she could list him on here for $1000 and folks would line up in effort to fix him. Hell, several have sent me messages offering.

Personally I would be giving the horse to someone who thinks they could resolve the issues the horse has.

I don't believe in euthanizing a horse who is young, and can live comfortably in a pasture. To me euthanizing a horse like this is abuse and is what PETA does.

As from what you have said the horse isn't dangerous on the ground, and wasn't dangerous with the previous owners. This tells me it is her. It could be as simple as a personality conflict.

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