~BINGO~ - 2015-07-09 1:03 PM Am I awful for thinking that sounds like a good idea? I have a 90 foot round pen and could buck him out in there.... And just to ease some minds, I have been riding for 14 years and have worked with green horses, young horses and abused horses. I am by no means a professional, but I have had a decent amount of experience and I do my research before trying new things. Lol. But I do think this gelding may benefit from this.

abrooks - 2015-07-11 6:21 AM This :) To me he sounds uneducated and fresh not dirty. Lots of standing saddled and sacking out and wet saddle blankets after either or both of those and I would think you would see a difference. I really try to put my colts/green horses in a position to be successful and if I skip or blow off the steps in gaining a foundation I'm not doing my part.. Not to mention it will bite me in the rear later. I had a 5yo that I had started patterned everything. 1/2 way through the year he dumped at the third barrel at a race.. I still really can't put my finger on why it happened but I was **** sure gonna prevent it from happening again. That afternoon he was reintroduced to logging a railroad tie, that night and the next day he stayed tied up (with food and water) and the next 45days in a row he was rworked or rode 3hRs every time. No excuses, no breaks, no days off.. Round pen, dry work, pattern work, trail riding whatever I wanted. It was hard to do bc of schedule but I had a different horse that knew if he was scared or being a turd he had no misunderstanding on who was the boss. I think whats happening is bc you are tryin to squeeze things into your schedule (I get it and it's hard!) good luck!

Longneck - 2015-07-09 10:38 AM

I'll be following this thread!!

I got bucked off pretty badly almost two weeks ago while breezing my gelding thru the pattern.  He tried it again the next time I got on him (no pattern),  but for the most part I can pull him up and stop him.  I'm having a bone scan done because I think it is pain related in my case, but I lunged him on Tuesday and he STILL got fiesty on the lunge line.  For my sake I will be lunging him before I get back on these next couple of times I ride him.

Could your gelding be cold backed?  It might explain some his actions,  but not the lead rope incident.  Hope you get him figured out!
 

Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-10 10:21 AM  I have never had a good horse that didn't buck every once in a while.  BUT they weren't serious about throwing me and would either stop when I asked, or quit on their own before things got too crazy.   I've heard non-bucking winners exist, but I've never had the privilege of owning one.  LOL

Three 4 Luck - 2015-07-09 8:53 AM


 I third this. And if it doesn't work, cut him loose. Not worth it. 

My experience with a sneaky bucker that wanted me off:  bucked me off twice after ownng him about 6 weeks.  Like yours, once he started, he kept ramping it up until I was off.  Sent to a trainer who rode him hard for a couple of weeks and horse was an angel.  Went to pick him up, he bucked trainer off twice in less than 5 minutes and that dude was pretty handy. I traded him back to the breeder who had sold him to me as a gentle, super broke ranch horse. 

I have one now that tried to buck me off last winter after a spook and run, but I got her head up or she raised it up after I started yelling curse words at her (I've had her since she was a yearling, she knows what that means. LOL).  She went to horsey boot camp after that, saddled and tied in the morning, ridden in the afternoon, round penned, ground driven, or ponied before I stepped on.  She hasn't offered to do it since, but if she does, she will be going to get cowboyed.   Unlike yours, mine is kinda spooky, especially when she's in season, but she's coming back to me better now instead of panicking.

chasincansMN - 2015-07-09 3:42 PM

I don't understand how right away people ask if the horse is sore and that's why he bucked the way he did. Blame it on a treeless saddle or whatever. WHAT!?! My BROKE horses do not pile me, or take off and go to broncing on me when they have a sore back or ulcers. Nor do my 4 or 5 year olds.  My hsuand rides in a tree saddle, I ride in a treeless. If that's how they react then they are headed down to road and finding a new zipcode! Some people have suggested a cowboy or round penning them. I totally agree with this. My husband has taken in a few horses with buck or cinchy type issues and also started several colts this year and what gets them through these type of scenarios is sacking out, working the crap out of them, giving to pressure and pushing them through difficult situations and then releasing.  We use tarps, milk jugs and flags on the end of a stick, having them drag bike tires with rope, etc. One came to use two weeks ago and had dumped the girl hard a few times. She thought maybe saddle fit issue?? He's 5. He's also very quiet and tarps and such actually didn't bother him (most we get are pretty flighty about this stuff). The first 5 days he bucked like a son of a gun and my husband did put a rope around him and his flank and would put pressure and release and just worked him hard and let him buck until it wasn't fun anymore. He would finally stop bucking, then he would get on and ride him and he would work him hard again. Getting him soft in the face and respecting his cues. He rode him in 3 different saddles by the end with no lunging and yesterday his owner got on him and rode him around too with no issues. He neede someone to push his buttons and teach him respect. In the beginning he was lazy and would lope and do things so easy at the end he had the look like I am ready to work. I am listening. Big difference.

I see so many horses being put on the pattern and running and they can't lope a collected circle, give to pressure, haven't been sacked out and then they start falling apart and it must be because he's sore or has ulcers.

Long story short. Spend every day..even if it's 15 minutes and sack the crap out of him. Tie plastic bags to your saddle, lunge him with a tarp on him, do whatever you can on the ground to put him through his paces to keep yourself safe. Then get on him and use all these same mechanisms in the round pen until he gives you every reason to believe he trusts and respects you. Good luck!! Stay safe!!! :)
 

teamthompson - 2015-10-30 11:07 AM I was so furious Wednesday when this filly bucked me off, slaughter house was where she was headed... to the OP, I agree, sometimes u do have to cut ur losses..... hope u find a great one.....

~BINGO~ - 2015-10-30 12:14 PM

Lol. I ended up selling the gelding in question. Sent him off for a solid month of riding. He worked cattle, tons of ranch work, trail riding, desensitizing, etc. They said he never bucked. I rode him thereafter for about two weeks without a problem. My old neighbor (worked at race tracks, training barns, shows barns and has trained a number of outside horses; she's a great hand), came to ride him and he tried to throw her. I just decided to cut my losses as I wasn't able to get comfortable on him. I may get flamed for it, but as others have said, there's too many good horses to deal with the bad ones. I sold him with full disclosure that he has and will buck and is not for a novice rider, the woman who bought him is in love. Sent him directly to her trainer and is happy as a clam.

bennie1 - 2015-10-30 12:11 PM


I don't think there are any grounds to flame you ;). You gave this horse many chances to be a solid citizen and he made the wrong decisions. Too many out there that do want to cooperate to mess with these kind.

~BINGO~ - 2015-10-30 2:30 PM


Thank you, I appreciate that.

I'm not sure if I had posted it when it happened, but he had bucked in a warm up arena. I had gotten him under control, then he started rearing up, flipped over, stepped in the middle of my back on his way up and took off. Talk about dazed and confused. Lol, oh well. Sometimes we need a few sour grapes to realize of special life is... And how good a nice horse is.