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oija
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heartswideopen - 2015-07-13 9:19 PM

 I'm very conservative, but the disparaging remark Trump made about Jeb Bush's wife turned me off.  She's a decent, tax paying, law abiding American citizen.   It's one thing to skip the sugar coating, but it's another thing to become crass and classless.  I'm not a fan of silver-tongued anything, but in terms of political candidacy, it just seems totally inappropriate and it's exactly what the Left is looking for as it's further polarized the parties and further stained the conservative image in the minds of those who already see us the enemy.  

 I agree with your argument, but like another said, I would definitely have a problem voting for Trump.  Anyone considered
Ben Carson? He's not a career politician, he does NOT sugar coat (having publicly admonished Obama and his policies right in front of both he and Michelle), he subscribes to REAGANOMICS (no Keynesians here!),  and he definitely has the leadership credentials given his surgical background. He's also a minority which convervatives need if we are ever going to take back the reins on the country.   If he can get past the primary, he has my vote.  He's actually in the top 3 of the recent Fox and Gallup polls, but he doesn't receive respectable media coverage.  I assume this stems from worries from the Left and their media outlets; I know they view him as a threat.  (Trump is slowly being turned into Sara Palin and we all know how that rodeo went.)


 

Huge fan of Ben Carson. Have you read any of his books? He doesn't suffer from the same sins as Trump, who I'm not a particular fan of.
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I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.

Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.
Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.

 
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Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 12:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 

Amen.  I too am tired of career politicians. The thing with Obama is he had no substantial leadership experience prior to his appointment.  He's SEVERLY wounded the nation with his policies, but I also beleive he's a puppet of George Soros.  That's where the pudding gets weird.  
If you don't mind my asking, what specific issues are you hoping the next presidential candidate will address? Obviously you are concerned with balancing the budget, but I wonder if we are beyond that.  Most economists subscribe to Keynesian economics which essentially stipulates that in order to contain the budget we need to spend more.  Idiotic, but they use the graphs and the math to sell it and they teach it in higher education, and students and the uninformed (zero common sense) public buy it, so what can we expect? When people fail to question "their betters" we land up in the situation we're now.  I questioned Keynesian economics throughout my studies and it landed me in some very hot water with certain professors, but at least I didn't drink that Kool-Aid.

Unfortunately, this great nation, on the precipice of higher social education and liberal preoccupation has quickly become a confederacy of dunces. 
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oija - 2015-07-14 6:29 AM
heartswideopen - 2015-07-13 9:19 PM  I'm very conservative, but the disparaging remark Trump made about Jeb Bush's wife turned me off.  She's a decent, tax paying, law abiding American citizen.   It's one thing to skip the sugar coating, but it's another thing to become crass and classless.  I'm not a fan of silver-tongued anything, but in terms of political candidacy, it just seems totally inappropriate and it's exactly what the Left is looking for as it's further polarized the parties and further stained the conservative image in the minds of those who already see us the enemy.  



 I agree with your argument, but like another said, I would definitely have a problem voting for Trump.  Anyone considered
Ben Carson? He's not a career politician, he does NOT sugar coat (having publicly admonished Obama and his policies right in front of both he and Michelle), he subscribes to REAGANOMICS (no Keynesians here!),  and he definitely has the leadership credentials given his surgical background. He's also a minority which convervatives need if we are ever going to take back the reins on the country.   If he can get past the primary, he has my vote.  He's actually in the top 3 of the recent Fox and Gallup polls, but he doesn't receive respectable media coverage.  I assume this stems from worries from the Left and their media outlets; I know they view him as a threat.  (Trump is slowly being turned into Sara Palin and we all know how that rodeo went.)




 
Huge fan of Ben Carson. Have you read any of his books? He doesn't suffer from the same sins as Trump, who I'm not a particular fan of.

  Huge fan of Ben Carson. Have you read any of his books? He doesn't suffer from the same sins as Trump, who I'm not a particular fan of. 

 I read Gifted Hands awhile back.  Recommend any specific titles?  I agree with you.  A lot of people disagree with me, but I would also appreciate another president who has the capacity to acknowledge and put God before him.   Carter does so and he never apologizes for it.  It is in no way up to me to condemn any man for his beliefs, but I can't say I've ever heard Trump publicly thank God for what he has, nor Obama.  It's quite sad that believing in a higher power is now associated with sub par intelligence. 
 
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Close the border. Come in legal or don't come in at all. I agree with Ann Coulter..Adios America...We are becoming a third world country. Tired of paying for illegals while our Veterans are treated like crap.

The economy. It won't affect us too much because of our age. I'm concerned about what part of the America that I grew up in will be there for our daughter and grandson.

Healthcare. I see more and more people not being able to afford the affordable healthcare. We are both on Medicare now and it cost us between what SS takes out, RX and Supplement over $600.00 a month and I feel we are blessed as last year we were paying $500.00 a month with a $6,000.00 deductible. That is not health insurance. That is catastrophic insurance.

These are the most important items but I do have more. LOL Obama's land grabbing needs to end. The EPA is out of control. Quit punishing people that work. Stop with all the PC correctness BS.

 
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heartswideopen - 2015-07-14 8:40 PM
oija - 2015-07-14 6:29 AM
heartswideopen - 2015-07-13 9:19 PM  I'm very conservative, but the disparaging remark Trump made about Jeb Bush's wife turned me off.  She's a decent, tax paying, law abiding American citizen.   It's one thing to skip the sugar coating, but it's another thing to become crass and classless.  I'm not a fan of silver-tongued anything, but in terms of political candidacy, it just seems totally inappropriate and it's exactly what the Left is looking for as it's further polarized the parties and further stained the conservative image in the minds of those who already see us the enemy.  



 I agree with your argument, but like another said, I would definitely have a problem voting for Trump.  Anyone considered
Ben Carson? He's not a career politician, he does NOT sugar coat (having publicly admonished Obama and his policies right in front of both he and Michelle), he subscribes to REAGANOMICS (no Keynesians here!),  and he definitely has the leadership credentials given his surgical background. He's also a minority which convervatives need if we are ever going to take back the reins on the country.   If he can get past the primary, he has my vote.  He's actually in the top 3 of the recent Fox and Gallup polls, but he doesn't receive respectable media coverage.  I assume this stems from worries from the Left and their media outlets; I know they view him as a threat.  (Trump is slowly being turned into Sara Palin and we all know how that rodeo went.)




 
Huge fan of Ben Carson. Have you read any of his books? He doesn't suffer from the same sins as Trump, who I'm not a particular fan of.
  Huge fan of Ben Carson. Have you read any of his books? He doesn't suffer from the same sins as Trump, who I'm not a particular fan of. 



 I read Gifted Hands awhile back.  Recommend any specific titles?  I agree with you.  A lot of people disagree with me, but I would also appreciate another president who has the capacity to acknowledge and put God before him.   Carter does so and he never apologizes for it.  It is in no way up to me to condemn any man for his beliefs, but I can't say I've ever heard Trump publicly thank God for what he has, nor Obama.  It's quite sad that believing in a higher power is now associated with sub par intelligence. 

 

What I find sad is that the very educated blacks are hated by other blacks. They demonize them instead of looking at them as role models.
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I heard Clinton was speaking about La Raza. One of the big players in La Raza is the new HUD secretary Julian Castro. His mother was one of the founders. They are prepping him to be Clinton's VP. Changing America into a Socialist country, providing housing for the ghetto forced within our communities.  
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Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 1:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 

 No the President did not Pardon them.  He did cummute their sentences.  With strict conditions.  They must serve a minimum of ten years, NO problems while inside, serve probation as they would have.  And many are going to half way houses.  
The reason for this is these people are serving terms MUCH longer than they would have if they had been sentenced now.  Many are serving terms longer for selling marijuana than someome who is convicted of second degree murder.  
The President is not the first nor last politican to do this.  Huckabee has a couple of rather famous re offenders that he released.
karen  

 
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Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 1:09 PM

I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.

Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.
Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.

 

Preach it girl!!!!! You are SO on point with a lot of what's wrong with the nation right now.

Edited by Chandler's Mom 2015-07-15 1:11 AM
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People need to recognize that Obama will continue to do everything possible to divide this country. His actions and words are designed to be incendiary and brazenly provocative. He is a lame duck, and is only concerned with his legacy.
He never lets any crisis go to waste, in true Saul Alinski fashion. His goal is to destroy what took 225 years to build, and reconstruct his own evil vision of a socialist utopia. He divides citizens by race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, and economic class. This is incontestable. People are taking the bait.
For example, he had the audacity to tell our own troops that global warming is our greatest existential threat. He knew this would agitate clear thinking people, given the current state of affairs around the world. He knows he will always be secure in the minds of at least 40% of the citizens, mainly because they are stupid, lazy, and malleable. He lives off strife and divisions, like a vampire lives off human blood.
Thugs get shot by cops, and he sends his condolences, as well as minions to attend funeral services. This beautiful Steinle girl is cut down on Fisherman's Wharf like a dog by some felonious dirt ball illegal alien and he is mum.....no letter, no call, no comments. That about sums it up. His lemmings go out with talking points and accuse his critics of trying to exploit this tragedy.....and they spew this with the help of the MSM.
Obama told us what he was going to do, and he's doing it.
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Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 1:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 
 No the President did not Pardon them.  He did cummute their sentences.  With strict conditions.  They must serve a minimum of ten years, NO problems while inside, serve probation as they would have.  And many are going to half way houses.  

The reason for this is these people are serving terms MUCH longer than they would have if they had been sentenced now.  Many are serving terms longer for selling marijuana than someome who is convicted of second degree murder.  

The President is not the first nor last politican to do this.  Huckabee has a couple of rather famous re offenders that he released.

karen  


 

You are right I did use the wrong word but the end is all the same. He is letting out 89 drug criminals in November and I will bet by January we will be hearing about some of them going back in.  

One of the San Antonio TV news outlets did a story on one of them and it was anything but heartwarming. He is where he belongs. Sad but true.

As far as Huckabee...He shouldn't have done it either and his actions once again proves why it's wrong. Many got sentenced for drug crimes but didn't get sentenced for all the other crap they have done. Most drug dealers don't just deal drugs. They do all the other nice things that go along with it.

 
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Bear - 2015-07-15 11:26 AM People need to recognize that Obama will continue to do everything possible to divide this country. His actions and words are designed to be incendiary and brazenly provocative. He is a lame duck, and is only concerned with his legacy. He never lets any crisis go to waste, in true Saul Alinski fashion. His goal is to destroy what took 225 years to build, and reconstruct his own evil vision of a socialist utopia. He divides citizens by race, creed, religion, sexual orientation, and economic class. This is incontestable. People are taking the bait. For example, he had the audacity to tell our own troops that global warming is our greatest existential threat. He knew this would agitate clear thinking people, given the current state of affairs around the world. He knows he will always be secure in the minds of at least 40% of the citizens, mainly because they are stupid, lazy, and malleable. He lives off strife and divisions, like a vampire lives off human blood. Thugs get shot by cops, and he sends his condolences, as well as minions to attend funeral services. This beautiful Steinle girl is cut down on Fisherman's Wharf like a dog by some felonious dirt ball illegal alien and he is mum.....no letter, no call, no comments. That about sums it up. His lemmings go out with talking points and accuse his critics of trying to exploit this tragedy.....and they spew this with the help of the MSM. Obama told us what he was going to do, and he's doing it.

Bingo!  
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Nevertooold - 2015-07-15 2:01 PM

Stitch4k9 - 2015-07-14 10:27 PM
Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 1:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 
 No the President did not Pardon them.  He did cummute their sentences.  With strict conditions.  They must serve a minimum of ten years, NO problems while inside, serve probation as they would have.  And many are going to half way houses.  

The reason for this is these people are serving terms MUCH longer than they would have if they had been sentenced now.  Many are serving terms longer for selling marijuana than someome who is convicted of second degree murder.  

The President is not the first nor last politican to do this.  Huckabee has a couple of rather famous re offenders that he released.

karen  


 

You are right I did use the wrong word but the end is all the same. He is letting out 89 drug criminals in November and I will bet by January we will be hearing about some of them going back in.  

One of the San Antonio TV news outlets did a story on one of them and it was anything but heartwarming. He is where he belongs. Sad but true.

As far as Huckabee...He shouldn't have done it either and his actions once again proves why it's wrong. Many got sentenced for drug crimes but didn't get sentenced for all the other crap they have done. Most drug dealers don't just deal drugs. They do all the other nice things that go along with it.

 

Didn't a major drug lord just dig a hole and get out of prison somewhere? Add one more to the list, Odumba sanctioned or not. . . . .
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Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 1:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 
 No the President did not Pardon them.  He did cummute their sentences.  With strict conditions.  They must serve a minimum of ten years, NO problems while inside, serve probation as they would have.  And many are going to half way houses.  

The reason for this is these people are serving terms MUCH longer than they would have if they had been sentenced now.  Many are serving terms longer for selling marijuana than someome who is convicted of second degree murder.  

The President is not the first nor last politican to do this.  Huckabee has a couple of rather famous re offenders that he released.

karen  


 

You are right I did use the wrong word but the end is all the same. He is letting out 89 drug criminals in November and I will bet by January we will be hearing about some of them going back in.  

One of the San Antonio TV news outlets did a story on one of them and it was anything but heartwarming. He is where he belongs. Sad but true.

As far as Huckabee...He shouldn't have done it either and his actions once again proves why it's wrong. Many got sentenced for drug crimes but didn't get sentenced for all the other crap they have done. Most drug dealers don't just deal drugs. They do all the other nice things that go along with it.

 

Didn't a major drug lord just dig a hole and get out of prison somewhere? Add one more to the list, Odumba sanctioned or not. . . . .

He didn't tunnel out. Someone else tunneled in... and it's not a new tunnel. But this is all in one of Mexico's 2 max security prisons. He escaped from the other one several years ago.
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oija - 2015-07-14 6:29 AM
heartswideopen - 2015-07-13 9:19 PM  I'm very conservative, but the disparaging remark Trump made about Jeb Bush's wife turned me off.  She's a decent, tax paying, law abiding American citizen.   It's one thing to skip the sugar coating, but it's another thing to become crass and classless.  I'm not a fan of silver-tongued anything, but in terms of political candidacy, it just seems totally inappropriate and it's exactly what the Left is looking for as it's further polarized the parties and further stained the conservative image in the minds of those who already see us the enemy.  



 I agree with your argument, but like another said, I would definitely have a problem voting for Trump.  Anyone considered
Ben Carson? He's not a career politician, he does NOT sugar coat (having publicly admonished Obama and his policies right in front of both he and Michelle), he subscribes to REAGANOMICS (no Keynesians here!),  and he definitely has the leadership credentials given his surgical background. He's also a minority which convervatives need if we are ever going to take back the reins on the country.   If he can get past the primary, he has my vote.  He's actually in the top 3 of the recent Fox and Gallup polls, but he doesn't receive respectable media coverage.  I assume this stems from worries from the Left and their media outlets; I know they view him as a threat.  (Trump is slowly being turned into Sara Palin and we all know how that rodeo went.)




 
Huge fan of Ben Carson. Have you read any of his books? He doesn't suffer from the same sins as Trump, who I'm not a particular fan of.

  Huge fan of Ben Carson. Have you read any of his books? He doesn't suffer from the same sins as Trump, who I'm not a particular fan of. 

 I read Gifted Hands awhile back.  Recommend any specific titles?  I agree with you.  A lot of people disagree with me, but I would also appreciate another president who has the capacity to acknowledge and put God before him.   Carter does so and he never apologizes for it.  It is in no way up to me to condemn any man for his beliefs, but I can't say I've ever heard Trump publicly thank God for what he has, nor Obama.  It's quite sad that believing in a higher power is now associated with sub par intelligence. 
 

Check out America the Beautiful, Think Big, and One Vote. They'll tell you less about him personally and more about professionally/politically.
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I am getting very concerned that BO is going to pulls something and never leave office. 
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Nevertooold - 2015-07-09 3:23 PM  A flag.

Trump/Cruz 2016 is looking better and better everyday.

Has this administration done anything to bring this country together? The small divide is now looking like the Grand Canyon. 




 

 Does anyone else see this a recipe for disaster - I will be very intersted to see how this plays out and if it plays out in a violent way what this current administration will have to say - both state and national. The divide is growing indeed. 


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Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 1:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 
 No the President did not Pardon them.  He did cummute their sentences.  With strict conditions.  They must serve a minimum of ten years, NO problems while inside, serve probation as they would have.  And many are going to half way houses.  

The reason for this is these people are serving terms MUCH longer than they would have if they had been sentenced now.  Many are serving terms longer for selling marijuana than someome who is convicted of second degree murder.  

The President is not the first nor last politican to do this.  Huckabee has a couple of rather famous re offenders that he released.

karen  


 
You are right I did use the wrong word but the end is all the same. He is letting out 89 drug criminals in November and I will bet by January we will be hearing about some of them going back in.  



One of the San Antonio TV news outlets did a story on one of them and it was anything but heartwarming. He is where he belongs. Sad but true.



As far as Huckabee...He shouldn't have done it either and his actions once again proves why it's wrong. Many got sentenced for drug crimes but didn't get sentenced for all the other crap they have done. Most drug dealers don't just deal drugs. They do all the other nice things that go along with it.


 
Didn't a major drug lord just dig a hole and get out of prison somewhere? Add one more to the list, Odumba sanctioned or not. . . . .

 Yes, in MEXICO.  Not sure how you can blame the President for that one.
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Stitch4k9 - 2015-07-14 10:27 PM
Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 1:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 
 No the President did not Pardon them.  He did cummute their sentences.  With strict conditions.  They must serve a minimum of ten years, NO problems while inside, serve probation as they would have.  And many are going to half way houses.  

The reason for this is these people are serving terms MUCH longer than they would have if they had been sentenced now.  Many are serving terms longer for selling marijuana than someome who is convicted of second degree murder.  

The President is not the first nor last politican to do this.  Huckabee has a couple of rather famous re offenders that he released.

karen  


 
You are right I did use the wrong word but the end is all the same. He is letting out 89 drug criminals in November and I will bet by January we will be hearing about some of them going back in.  



One of the San Antonio TV news outlets did a story on one of them and it was anything but heartwarming. He is where he belongs. Sad but true.



As far as Huckabee...He shouldn't have done it either and his actions once again proves why it's wrong. Many got sentenced for drug crimes but didn't get sentenced for all the other crap they have done. Most drug dealers don't just deal drugs. They do all the other nice things that go along with it.


 
Didn't a major drug lord just dig a hole and get out of prison somewhere? Add one more to the list, Odumba sanctioned or not. . . . .

 Yes, in MEXICO.  Not sure how you can blame the President for that one.

Sure we can!!
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heartswideopen - 2015-07-14 8:35 PM

Nevertooold - 2015-07-14 12:09 PM I sure agree Trump doesn't have very much class but he sure is bringing up what a lot of us are thinking and there isn't any other candidate that will speak the truth as to what is happening in fear of not getting re-elected. I'm so tired of the lies and we the people getting taken for a ride.



Obama is going to finish destroying this country with his pen. He has done another land grab and has pardoned 46 drug convicted convicts with another 50 coming soon. Calling them non-violent offenders. What does he think all the killings in Chicago are over? What does he think when he sells drugs and the user dies? Dead is dead and because the dealer didn't shoot them it's non-violent.

Where does he think the users that don't work get the money to buy the drugs? Robberies, home invasions etc. There is a reason that crime goes down when the prison population goes up.


 

Amen.  I too am tired of career politicians. The thing with Obama is he had no substantial leadership experience prior to his appointment.  He's SEVERLY wounded the nation with his policies, but I also beleive he's a puppet of George Soros.  That's where the pudding gets weird.  
If you don't mind my asking, what specific issues are you hoping the next presidential candidate will address? Obviously you are concerned with balancing the budget, but I wonder if we are beyond that.  Most economists subscribe to Keynesian economics which essentially stipulates that in order to contain the budget we need to spend more.  Idiotic, but they use the graphs and the math to sell it and they teach it in higher education, and students and the uninformed (zero common sense) public buy it, so what can we expect? When people fail to question "their betters" we land up in the situation we're now.  I questioned Keynesian economics throughout my studies and it landed me in some very hot water with certain professors, but at least I didn't drink that Kool-Aid.

Unfortunately, this great nation, on the precipice of higher social education and liberal preoccupation has quickly become a confederacy of dunces. 

I think with a little research you will find that government use of Keynesian economics has many times worked fine in a short run, but 18 trillion dollars will NOT be a short run situation. We need something else, and it's gonna hurt.
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