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Location: Oklahoma | Just let the owner know what you are willing to pay for the horse. If the owner is willing to accept that offer, you will be able to schedule to try the horse and hopefully you are bringing home your perfect horse at the end. Good luck. You can always offer what you are willing to pay. An owner decides the price they are willing to sell.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Let's look at this at another angle. I'm old and would pay more for a horse that is easy and safe to ride over one that is of the same quality that is hard to ride. Can you put a dollar amount on older lady safe horse? I have no desire and this time of my life to ride a crotch rocket that would end up putting me in the hospital. |
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Location: Oregon | If the horse is priced at 35K and you think it's worth 25K I'd make an offer. If it's 20K and you think it's worth 10K I'd probably not. |
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Location: midwest mama | I'm the O.P. -
Thank you to everyone for your honest responses.
Let me preface this by saying I am not a tire-kicker, as I am serious about looking for a horse and I have the funds to buy one.
However, I do not want to insult anyone, and I want to go about this the right way - that's why I asked you all this question.
I think I should clarify the situation:
This mare was advertised publicly, so everyone knows what she is priced at. The horse is located in another state from where I live, so I discreetly called a couple of professional barrel horse trainers/competitors (WPRA top 30) who are friends of mine in that area and asked if they knew the horse. They did, and I asked them what they thought of the horse and whether or not they thought she was priced fairly. They gave me an honest reply. Neither of these people have any reason to not be truthful with me - they are not trying to sell me a horse, nor are they jealous of me.
I ended up having several phone conversations with the owner. During these conversations I found out that the mare does not have the amount of rodeo experience that the ad implied, and the LTE of this horse are very minimal. From these conversations, I came to the conclusion that, in my own opinion, the mare is overpriced. That being said, I still think there is a chance she would fit me and be what I need her to be.......but not at the price the owner is asking.
I guess after all of this long winded story, what I really am asking is if I should just move on, ask the owner if the price is negotiable before I try her, or wait and try her and then make an offer. I do understand that an owner has a right to ask whatever they want for their horse. Like I said, it is not my intention to offend her in any way. What is the right way to go about this? |
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Location: Ky | OldSchoolCowgirl - 2015-08-19 6:13 PM I'm the O.P. - Thank you to everyone for your honest responses. Let me preface this by saying I am not a tire-kicker, as I am serious about looking for a horse and I have the funds to buy one. However, I do not want to insult anyone, and I want to go about this the right way - that's why I asked you all this question. I think I should clarify the situation: This mare was advertised publicly, so everyone knows what she is priced at. The horse is located in another state from where I live, so I discreetly called a couple of professional barrel horse trainers/competitors (WPRA top 30) who are friends of mine in that area and asked if they knew the horse. They did, and I asked them what they thought of the horse and whether or not they thought she was priced fairly. They gave me an honest reply. Neither of these people have any reason to not be truthful with me - they are not trying to sell me a horse, nor are they jealous of me. I ended up having several phone conversations with the owner. During these conversations I found out that the mare does not have the amount of rodeo experience that the ad implied, and the LTE of this horse are very minimal. From these conversations, I came to the conclusion that, in my own opinion, the mare is overpriced. That being said, I still think there is a chance she would fit me and be what I need her to be.......but not at the price the owner is asking. I guess after all of this long winded story, what I really am asking is if I should just move on, ask the owner if the price is negotiable before I try her, or wait and try her and then make an offer. I do understand that an owner has a right to ask whatever they want for their horse. Like I said, it is not my intention to offend her in any way. What is the right way to go about this?
Here's what I do if I was interested in the horse, and it seems you are. I would go look at the horse but only at a show and ride the horse at the show. Horses are different at competition but more importantly, people are different.
If they refused to allow that then I would move on. But if they allow it then I would base my opinion on what I saw and felt there. I may decide that the horse is worth more to me than I thought. Or I may be glad that I saw him in a competitive environment and pass on him.
I would not buy a supposedly seasoned horse without riding him at a show. A prospect is different. But a horse that's been down the road needs to be evaluated on that road.
50 years of horseshowing experience taught me this. I didn't always take my own advice. 15 years ago we went up to Wisc, {from Ky}, to try a horse at the seller's property. The lady had an outdoor and indoor arena and many horses. We paid a very handsome price for this horse. He worked great at her place.
We got home with him and found him to be completely ring sour. When we called about it she said she forgot to tell us to use herbal medicines on him at shows because of nerves. She offered to buy him back at a $10K loss for us. We declined. Should have taken her up on it. When we finally got rid of him we lost more than that.
Had we riden him at a show we would never have bought that horse. Some lessons are learned the hard way. |
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I Am a Snake Killer
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | So if you go try the mare and really like her do you have the funds to pay what she is asking? If not then you are wasting her time unless she says the price is negotiable. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | mreklaw - 2015-08-18 10:13 PM
So if you go try the mare and really like her do you have the funds to pay what she is asking? If not then you are wasting her time unless she says the price is negotiable.
Agree with this. I'd find out if the price is negotiable if you're not willing to pay what they are asking before you go any further. |
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Location: Florida.. | I would call and ask her if she is willing to negotiate the price to the right buyer and that you really want to try the mare but dont want to waste each others time if she isnt willing to..Id not challenge the price. |
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Location: mi | Personally I think I would just be honest with her. I would call her again and say you have thought about it and think the mare might work for you but that with her having less experience then you had originally thought and blah blah blah that you are probably not willing to pay the asking price does she have room to negotiate? you don't have to nail down a hard figure but that would open up conversation and you would get a feel for if its worth your time to go see her in person. |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | Nevertooold - 2015-08-19 12:22 PM Let's look at this at another angle. I'm old and would pay more for a horse that is easy and safe to ride over one that is of the same quality that is hard to ride. Can you put a dollar amount on older lady safe horse? I have no desire and this time of my life to ride a crotch rocket that would end up putting me in the hospital.
I usually pay a little more. I want quality and safety. I am willing to pay up front! |
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Location: sunny california | although 10,000 is not the amount you just go oh well at. At some point you just pay more because it is a nice horse and you are tired of spending your weekends running around and spending the difference in fuel. |
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Location: Paradise , tx | Nevertooold - 2015-08-19 2:22 PM Let's look at this at another angle. I'm old and would pay more for a horse that is easy and safe to ride over one that is of the same quality that is hard to ride. Can you put a dollar amount on older lady safe horse? I have no desire and this time of my life to ride a crotch rocket that would end up putting me in the hospital.
 I know what your saying, as we age, things change. Safety is always important, even more so now, we heal slower and pain is so much more intense now  |
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| OldSchoolCowgirl - 2015-08-19 7:13 PM
I ended up having several phone conversations with the owner. During these conversations I found out that the mare does not have the amount of rodeo experience that the ad implied, and the LTE of this horse are very minimal. From these conversations, I came to the conclusion that, in my own opinion, the mare is overpriced. That being said, I still think there is a chance she would fit me and be what I need her to be.......but not at the price the owner is asking.
I would tell her this.
You seem to be able to express yourself well without getting upset. I wouldn't take offense if someone was selling a horse and came to me with this. |
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Location: California | I had someone offer me 25k for a 35k horse. I was in no way offended but kindly said no. I had the horse priced where it was worth it for me to sell him. These people made an offer before coming and trying the horse themselves (they had seen him ran plenty) so they did not waste anyones time. I do appreciate that aspect. |
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Location: Midwest | So what happened |
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Location: Oklahoma City OK | This just kind of rubbed me the wrong way, so I feel the need to answer: Anyone with class would NOT tell someone they were pricing their horse too high. Unless it was a friend that asked your opinion about how they were pricing their horse. The market will tell a seller. If the seller has priced a horse you like outside of your budget, let them know it's YOUR limitations that keep you from buying the horse...not the decision the seller has made, and has the right to make. People have lots of reasons for pricing their horses...maybe some are delusional but that's not anyone problem but theirs. Maybe they really don't want to sell the horse and just figure they'll throw a really high price out there and if someone is willing to pay it, they'll let the horse go. Again, it's not anyone's responsibility or right to tell someone how to price their horse. Nobody's business but the seller.
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Location: wolverton,mn | I'm in total agreement with above poster!
This thread can be 10 pages long,but it's the team of buyer/ seller that needs to communicate.
Whatever price is paid and decided by two people,then that means both parties agreed.
If the horse is a match,great deal! If the buyer can't ride the horse or become a team,it's not the sellers responsibility to justify price. The buyer would be tacky to run around saying " I paid too much" or probably more like " got ripped off" " horse not worth it"
The poster should have a conversation with owner and discuss the possible sale! I'm sure more can be accomplished with that conversation than here. The horse is obviously worth your time to discuss here,so why not have this conversation with owner?
If a sale is made ,both of you should be happy!
good luck finding yourself a wonderful horse!
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Location: midwest mama | smmthbr - 2015-08-21 1:28 PM
This just kind of rubbed me the wrong way, so I feel the need to answer: Â Anyone with class would NOT tell someone they were pricing their horse too high. Â Unless it was a friend that asked your opinion about how they were pricing their horse. Â The market will tell a seller. Â If the seller has priced a horse you like outside of your budget, let them know it's YOUR limitations that keep you from buying the horse...not the decision the seller has made, and has the right to make. Â People have lots of reasons for pricing their horses...maybe some are delusional but that's not anyone problem but theirs. Â Maybe they really don't want to sell the horse and just figure they'll throw a really high price out there and if someone is willing to pay it, they'll let the horse go. Â Again, it's not anyone's responsibility or right to tell someone how to price their horse. Â Nobody's business but the seller. Â
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I am the O.P. and I totally agree with this. ^^^
I never intended to tell the owner that I felt her horse was priced too high - it is up to her to determine what she wants to sell her horse for.
What I was trying to decide was whether or not to ask her if the price was negotiable to the right home before or after I try the horse.
Financially I am capable of paying what she is asking, but I'm trying to be realistic here and not spend way more than the market value of a horse either. |
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| OldSchoolCowgirl - 2015-08-21 2:48 PM
smmthbr - 2015-08-21 1:28 PM
This just kind of rubbed me the wrong way, so I feel the need to answer: Â Anyone with class would NOT tell someone they were pricing their horse too high. Â Unless it was a friend that asked your opinion about how they were pricing their horse. Â The market will tell a seller. Â If the seller has priced a horse you like outside of your budget, let them know it's YOUR limitations that keep you from buying the horse...not the decision the seller has made, and has the right to make. Â People have lots of reasons for pricing their horses...maybe some are delusional but that's not anyone problem but theirs. Â Maybe they really don't want to sell the horse and just figure they'll throw a really high price out there and if someone is willing to pay it, they'll let the horse go. Â Again, it's not anyone's responsibility or right to tell someone how to price their horse. Â Nobody's business but the seller. Â
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I am the O.P. and I totally agree with this. ^^^
I never intended to tell the owner that I felt her horse was priced too high - it is up to her to determine what she wants to sell her horse for.
What I was trying to decide was whether or not to ask her if the price was negotiable to the right home before or after I try the horse.
Financially I am capable of paying what she is asking, but I'm trying to be realistic here and not spend way more than the market value of a horse either.
Not trying to bash but...that is exactly what the title of this post says. So at first I was rubbed the wrong way until I read some of your posts. |
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Location: midwest mama | RoadToVegas - 2015-08-21 10:41 PM
OldSchoolCowgirl - 2015-08-21 2:48 PM
smmthbr - 2015-08-21 1:28 PM
This just kind of rubbed me the wrong way, so I feel the need to answer: Â Anyone with class would NOT tell someone they were pricing their horse too high. Â Unless it was a friend that asked your opinion about how they were pricing their horse. Â The market will tell a seller. Â If the seller has priced a horse you like outside of your budget, let them know it's YOUR limitations that keep you from buying the horse...not the decision the seller has made, and has the right to make. Â People have lots of reasons for pricing their horses...maybe some are delusional but that's not anyone problem but theirs. Â Maybe they really don't want to sell the horse and just figure they'll throw a really high price out there and if someone is willing to pay it, they'll let the horse go. Â Again, it's not anyone's responsibility or right to tell someone how to price their horse. Â Nobody's business but the seller. Â
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I am the O.P. and I totally agree with this. ^^^
I never intended to tell the owner that I felt her horse was priced too high - it is up to her to determine what she wants to sell her horse for.
What I was trying to decide was whether or not to ask her if the price was negotiable to the right home before or after I try the horse.
Financially I am capable of paying what she is asking, but I'm trying to be realistic here and not spend way more than the market value of a horse either.
Not trying to bash but...that is exactly what the title of this post says. So at first I was rubbed the wrong way until I read some of your posts.
You are so right RoadToVegas.........
but unfortunately I couldn't figure out how to change the title of a post after it's already gone live, so I had to run with it. LOL My daughter says I'm a technotard....... |
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