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Location: California | wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-03 1:51 PM SKM - 2015-09-03 2:19 PM The DTF's are born broke and wanting to hunt a barrel. Hence why they are in such high demand as futurity horses. Futuritying is hard on them physically and mentally. Most are used up by the time they reach the age of 7. Most horses don't make rodeo horses until about the age of 10. I'd blame the futurity road and riders for the lack of DTF's in the rodeo pen before blaming DTF. I wouldn't wish the life of most futurity horses on a junker. and that is the round about way I was getting to not seeing DTF at the NFR, but someone did list several that I had forgotten ran there. Many listed for both FG and DTF were back up horses though (I think).
Dash Ta Fame has sired the most horses to run at the NFR (since 1991) with 10. Yes some were "backups".
Dash Ta Vanila (Steffes)
Fantasia Fame (Meadors)
Gonna Be Famous (Solmonsen)
JL Dash Ta Heaven (Little)
Judge My Fame (Mays)
Real Claim Ta Fame (Smith)
Repete Fame (Campbell)
Sierra Hall Of Fame (Dennison)
Swivel Ta Fame (Ketchum)
Terrible Tommy Twist (Pozzi)
But Brenda's "backup" horse has certainly proven herself in recent years by winning Cheyenne. Brenda just isn't traveling hard like she used to. Tommy is frequently found among the top 40 in the World standings with his usual rider, Sammi Bessert. Benette split time between JL Dash Ta Heaven and Chicados Cash when she made it last, and Angie ran both Fantasia Fame and Mulberry at the same NFR.
DTF is also the paternal grand sire of 1 horse to run at the NFR with HPQ Smokin Rascal (Loflin).
For whatever reason I started tracking the pedigrees of horses to run at the NFR since 1991 (beause that's the earliest I can find videos for) so I have almost every horse that has run through the gate since 1991 on an excel spreadsheet. So if you ever want to know a pedigree stat, I can probably look it up! LOL. |
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Location: MD | Calibarrelrcr - 2015-09-03 11:12 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2015-09-03 1:51 PM SKM - 2015-09-03 2:19 PM  The DTF's are born broke and wanting to hunt a barrel. Hence why they are in such high demand as futurity horses. Futuritying is hard on them physically and mentally. Most are used up by the time they reach the age of 7. Most horses don't make rodeo horses until about the age of 10. I'd blame the futurity road and riders for the lack of DTF's in the rodeo pen before blaming DTF. I wouldn't wish the life of most futurity horses on a junker. and that is the round about way I was getting to not seeing DTF at the NFR, but someone did list several that I had forgotten ran there. Many listed for both FG and DTF were back up horses though (I think).  Dash Ta Vanila (Steffes ) Fantasia Fame (Meadors ) Gonna Be Famous (Solmonsen ) JL Dash Ta Heaven (Little ) Judge My Fame (Mays ) Real Claim Ta Fame (Smith ) Repete Fame (Campbell ) Sierra Hall Of Fame (Dennison ) Swivel Ta Fame (Ketchum ) Terrible Tommy Twist  (Pozzi)
But Brenda's "backup" horse has certainly proven herself in recent years by winning Cheyenne. Brenda just isn't traveling hard like she used to. Tommy is frequently found among the top 40 in the World standings with his usual rider, Sammi Bessert. Benette split time between JL Dash Ta Heaven and Chicados Cash when she made it last, and Angie ran both Fantasia Fame and Mulberry at the same NFR.Â
DTF is also the paternal grand sire of 1 horse to run at the NFR with HPQ Smokin Rascal (Loflin).
For whatever reason I started tracking the pedigrees of horses to run at the NFR since 1991 (beause that's the earliest I can find videos for) so I have almost every horse that has run through the gate since 1991 on an excel spreadsheet. So if you ever want to know a pedigree stat, I can probably look it up! LOL.
Thank you for adding to my (very) incomplete list! I can't believe that Repete Fame slipped passed my addled brain, as she is one of my favorite horses of all time! |
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| What happened to Firecracker Fire?
Is he still alive? In the U.S.? That is one horse that has not put alot of horse on the ground, but most of them are winners.
As for the argument of Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy....If you produced upward of 100 babies per yr wouldn't at least 1 of them be a genius?
I am not taking anything away from these two horses, however I like to see a horse that has produced a high percentage of winners vs the number of foals they have on the ground. Those are true producing horses with good genetics. I like to see a horse in the pedigree and keep seeing it, even when they produced limited number of foals....i.e. Pie In The Sky, Easy Jet, Tonto Bar Hank...but I am old school.
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| Warriors Mom - 2015-09-04 8:34 AM
What happened to Firecracker Fire?
Is he still alive? In the U.S.? That is one horse that has not put alot of horse on the ground, but most of them are winners.
As for the argument of Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy....If you produced upward of 100 babies per yr wouldn't at least 1 of them be a genius?
I am not taking anything away from these two horses, however I like to see a horse that has produced a high percentage of winners vs the number of foals they have on the ground. Those are true producing horses with good genetics. I like to see a horse in the pedigree and keep seeing it, even when they produced limited number of foals....i.e. Pie In The Sky, Easy Jet, Tonto Bar Hank...but I am old school.
Agreed! I have a Tonto Bars Hank granddaughter. Plus she has Triple Flit , Do Do Chic and Boston Mac on her papers. Hard to find that breeding anymore. I just got a nice foal out of her that I'm excited about. :-)) |
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| Warriors Mom - 2015-09-04 7:34 AM
What happened to Firecracker Fire?
Is he still alive? In the U.S.? That is one horse that has not put alot of horse on the ground, but most of them are winners.
As for the argument of Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy....If you produced upward of 100 babies per yr wouldn't at least 1 of them be a genius?
I am not taking anything away from these two horses, however I like to see a horse that has produced a high percentage of winners vs the number of foals they have on the ground. Those are true producing horses with good genetics. I like to see a horse in the pedigree and keep seeing it, even when they produced limited number of foals....i.e. Pie In The Sky, Easy Jet, Tonto Bar Hank...but I am old school.
 Typically a bloodline fades away for a reason. DTF sired a lot of successful track horses before the barrel racers discovered his foals were natural barrel horses. He is about the only horse that had two huge, viable disciplines competing for his foals. To say it's just because of numbers is silly. Studs don't get mares if they can't produce. In order for a stallion to be a producer, they have to have a strong maternal line. That is were DTF, FG, FWF blow most studs out of the water when it comes to siring winners. All three have very prolific dams and all 3, in turn, are being bred to prolific dams. |
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Location: lexington KY | Thanks everyone for the kind comments! I am glad you are enjoying this entry and I love reading about the pedigrees. Things shifted a little this week with Callie Duperier moving int the #1 spot. |
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| polorunner - 2015-09-09 7:47 AM
Thanks everyone for the kind comments! I am glad you are enjoying this entry and I love reading about the pedigrees. Things shifted a little this week with Callie Duperier moving int the #1 spot. Â
The two in 15th and 16th are like $200 apart... |
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Location: lexington KY | stayceem - 2015-09-09 9:42 AM polorunner - 2015-09-09 7:47 AM Thanks everyone for the kind comments! I am glad you are enjoying this entry and I love reading about the pedigrees. Things shifted a little this week with Callie Duperier moving int the #1 spot. The two in 15th and 16th are like $200 apart...
It is so tight! |
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Location: lexington KY | stayceem - 2015-09-09 9:42 AM polorunner - 2015-09-09 7:47 AM Thanks everyone for the kind comments! I am glad you are enjoying this entry and I love reading about the pedigrees. Things shifted a little this week with Callie Duperier moving int the #1 spot. The two in 15th and 16th are like $200 apart...
This week it is $157.17 seperating them, with Layna Kight moving into the 15th spot, such a tight race.
http://ontherodeoroad.com/top-15-barrel-racers-horses-pedigrees-2015/ |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Warriors Mom - 2015-09-04 8:34 AM
What happened to Firecracker Fire?
Is he still alive? In the U.S.? That is one horse that has not put alot of horse on the ground, but most of them are winners.
As for the argument of Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy....If you produced upward of 100 babies per yr wouldn't at least 1 of them be a genius?
I am not taking anything away from these two horses, however I like to see a horse that has produced a high percentage of winners vs the number of foals they have on the ground. Those are true producing horses with good genetics. I like to see a horse in the pedigree and keep seeing it, even when they produced limited number of foals....i.e. Pie In The Sky, Easy Jet, Tonto Bar Hank...but I am old school.
Seriously???
You think FG and DTF, just because they are producing higher numbers, have occasional geniuses just through chance??? Hell I've seen little studs who advertise 70-100% winners out of very limited foal crops but those 'winners' may have won $50 in the 3D at the local jackpot. If someone bothered to keep track of those kinds of numbers for FG and DTF they'd have hell of high numbers too. But you don't see a ton of those studs siring NFR horses and BFA winners and arena record holders. DTF and FG do it over and over and over again. When they sire winners they sire world class winners. DTF has earners of over 31 million in his years siring. You don't have offspring earning that much because you have a 'few geniuses' just because of chance. They are darn good sires and they get darn good dams bred to them so they continue to have MAJOR winners EVERY YEAR. And some people breed to them just to own one and never do as much with it or can't ride them to their full potential. Many factors go into such numbers.
A few geniuses . . . seriously??
If you don't like the lines that's fine. I think its perfectly legitimate to prefer other lines and like high win percentages. But those are two darn fine sires with consistently awesome offspring. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | This is Sarah Rose McDonalds other mare.
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Thank you!! I just added it to our list. Now.. who knows Carley Richardsons other horse Fashionable Boy? She told me the sire is Nonstop Firewater and was going to see if she could find the dam. Anyone know? |
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Location: Beggs, OK | polorunner - 2015-09-15 2:08 PM Thank you!! I just added it to our list. Now.. who knows Carley Richardsons other horse Fashionable Boy? She told me the sire is Nonstop Firewater and was going to see if she could find the dam. Anyone know?
Here you go!
http://barrelracingreport.com/issues/8_11_15_BarrelRacingReport_HighRes.pdf |
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| Warriors Mom - 2015-09-04 8:34 AM What happened to Firecracker Fire? Is he still alive? In the U.S.? That is one horse that has not put alot of horse on the ground, but most of them are winners. As for the argument of Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy....If you produced upward of 100 babies per yr wouldn't at least 1 of them be a genius? I am not taking anything away from these two horses, however I like to see a horse that has produced a high percentage of winners vs the number of foals they have on the ground. Those are true producing horses with good genetics. I like to see a horse in the pedigree and keep seeing it, even when they produced limited number of foals....i.e. Pie In The Sky, Easy Jet, Tonto Bar Hank...but I am old school. Firecracker Fire is still alive. I owned one of his babies. He was a big boy, really nice. The owner doesnt breed to outside mares and rarely sells his babies. We got lucky because "Brad" was 17 hh, 7 years old, and green broke and VERY VERY spooky. He ended up being a nice horse. But she said she wouldnt ever breed to outside mares and I guess she never did. I havent heard of many more of his babies ever being on the market. That was 7 years ago...maybe eight...things may have changed since then.
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 GIRL!! You rock! Thank you so much. Adding it to the list now! |
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Location: Indiana | We raised Fashionable Boy. His dam is Fashionable Pay who is by Jets Payday. Unfortunately she passed away several years ago, but raised several really nice babies. |
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Location: lexington KY | Jo Ann - 2015-09-15 4:17 PM We raised Fashionable Boy. His dam is Fashionable Pay who is by Jets Payday. Unfortunately she passed away several years ago, but raised several really nice babies.
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Location: MD | MOTIVATED - 2015-09-15 2:24 PM
Warriors Mom - 2015-09-04 8:34 AM What happened to Firecracker Fire? Is he still alive? In the U.S.? That is one horse that has not put alot of horse on the ground, but most of them are winners. As for the argument of Dash Ta Fame and Frenchmans Guy....If you produced upward of 100 babies per yr wouldn't at least 1 of them be a genius? I am not taking anything away from these two horses, however I like to see a horse that has produced a high percentage of winners vs the number of foals they have on the ground. Those are true producing horses with good genetics. I like to see a horse in the pedigree and keep seeing it, even when they produced limited number of foals....i.e. Pie In The Sky, Easy Jet, Tonto Bar Hank...but I am old school. Firecracker Fire is still alive. I owned one of his babies. He was a big boy, really nice. The owner doesnt breed to outside mares and rarely sells his babies. We got lucky because "Brad" was 17 hh, 7 years old, and green broke and VERY VERY spooky. He ended up being a nice horse. But she said she wouldnt ever breed to outside mares and I guess she never did. I havent heard of many more of his babies ever being on the market.  That was 7 years ago...maybe eight...things may have changed since then.
There's a stash of Firecracker Fire horses in northern Jersey, a couple of which are studs. I just love watching those suckers work! |
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