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| I know on the ERA Facebook page they have been really really quick to respond to any and all questions being asked....but last night I asked what there game plan was regarding the new Prca news...and *****crickets**** |
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| svincent - 2015-09-23 11:18 AM
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Maybe it's too early for me to be reading legalese, but my first thought was "I wonder if they will decline to renew Fallon and Charmayne", but then I remembered they are WPRA members, not PRCA.
Does this have any impact at all on barrel racing members of ERA? Is WPRA going to adopt similar by laws?
Actually, if the WPRA is smart, they would begin negotiations wirh the ERA about hosting or sanctioning the qualifier events for the barrel racers. Much like BBR does with the American. That way they can keep those doors open for their membership.
SO AGREE!!!!
It really would be nice if everybody would share the sandbox nicely to grow our sport. Unfortunately, businesses don't always agree. But it's nice to dream. Lol
That would be a fantastic idea. If your goal is to grow and promote the sport, this would be the direction to go. |
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| I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want? |
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| miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 11:57 AM
I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want?
Good Point! But the ERA hasn't specified what the qualifications actually are to make it....maybe they don't agree with PRCAs form qualification for the Champions Challenges. Plus...none of the "owners" of the ERA can get rich of the Champions Challenges....with the ERA...they are probably making "salary" on the side. This isn't really about what is good for the sport of rodeo...as novel as it may sound...this is about money...and where and how it can be made. Period.
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| Longneck - 2015-09-23 12:23 AM
FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 11:08 PM If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
I highly doubt it will be the start of the end for the PRCA. Have you seen the money Vegas is paying out in the new contract? Not every one is going to be "elite" enough to make the ERA "tour" and those who can't are definitely going to want the PRCA rodeos to fall back on. JMO. Not trying to be rude, but for those who make their living rodeo are still going to want the PRCA around.
I'm not talking ERA specifically, if they are smart, they would work with and not against these types of new improvements. The ERA is NOT a hauling contest, that's what's going to be so cool about it. Anyone can qualify to run in it in very simple ways (from what I understand of their limited information given). Versus the 5 rodeos a weekend type running those big names do (yes, that's an exaggeration, but the point is there) |
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miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 11:57 AM
I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want?
Good Point! But the ERA hasn't specified what the qualifications actually are to make it....maybe they don't agree with PRCAs form qualification for the Champions Challenges. Plus...none of the "owners" of the ERA can get rich of the Champions Challenges....with the ERA...they are probably making "salary" on the side. This isn't really about what is good for the sport of rodeo...as novel as it may sound...this is about money...and where and how it can be made. Period.
Okay, the way they keep saying "top/elite" competitors made it sound like only certain people would be allowed to compete. I'm just not sure how the ERA will benefit the "everday/circut people" for lack of a better word, like the ones that haul a good bit but not enough to make the NFR. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 1:30 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-09-23 12:10 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2015-09-23 11:57 AM I am having a difficult time understanding this. Didn't the PRCA essentially do what the ERA is trying to do by putting on the Challenge Champions? I know the Challenge Champions doesnt have a finals or anything but it does put the "top/favortie/elite" competitors on TV like the ERA is wanting to do. Why wouldnt the founders of the ERA just work on building up the Challenge Champions to be a qualification/finals deal like they want? Good Point! But the ERA hasn't specified what the qualifications actually are to make it....maybe they don't agree with PRCAs form qualification for the Champions Challenges. Plus...none of the "owners" of the ERA can get rich of the Champions Challenges....with the ERA...they are probably making "salary" on the side. This isn't really about what is good for the sport of rodeo...as novel as it may sound...this is about money...and where and how it can be made. Period. Okay, the way they keep saying "top/elite" competitors made it sound like only certain people would be allowed to compete. I'm just not sure how the ERA will benefit the "everday/circut people" for lack of a better word, like the ones that haul a good bit but not enough to make the NFR.
If they are good, they would have the chance to "qualify" without having to run the legs off of their horse or the wheels off their trucks! |
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 9:08 PM
If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
It just kicks out most of the people that can "win" the hauling contest every year. Now those who are #16-30 in the World every year will have a shot at Vegas and are of equal talent to those in the top 15 every year. They just don't have to sponsors that some of those in the top 15 have. I can't see it hurting PRCA or the NFR. Every one of those ERA athletes were a "nobody" once. The PRCA will have new superstars. They're out there.
 I really think the only the major thing that both associations have in common is they only care for the "elite" not the people that have side jobs (shoeing,equine dental, riding colts etc.), no sponsors, and have to struggle to make a living. |
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| Lovin Life - 2015-09-23 1:55 PM
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FlyingHigh1454 - 2015-09-22 9:08 PM
If they try to prevent those top notch people from running/competing, it will be the start of the end for PRCA. Don't fight bigger and better things, because it will not usually end in your favor. Just my thought.
It just kicks out most of the people that can "win" the hauling contest every year. Now those who are #16-30 in the World every year will have a shot at Vegas and are of equal talent to those in the top 15 every year. They just don't have to sponsors that some of those in the top 15 have. I can't see it hurting PRCA or the NFR. Every one of those ERA athletes were a "nobody" once. The PRCA will have new superstars. They're out there. I really think the only the major thing that both associations have in common is they only care for the "elite" not the people that have side jobs (shoeing,equine dental, riding colts etc. ), no sponsors, and have to struggle to make a living.
Yes...this isn't about advancing the sport of rodeo. This is about money...always will be. |
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While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids! |
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| rodeomom3 - 2015-09-23 2:28 PM
Excellent post by a friend of mine on FB:
While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids!
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Location: Oregon | Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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rodeomom3 - 2015-09-23 2:28 PM
Excellent post by a friend of mine on FB:
While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids!
Latricia had a very good point there^^^
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rodeomom3 - 2015-09-23 2:28 PM
Excellent post by a friend of mine on FB:
While the PRCA and ERA are doing their chest pounding, who exactly is doing anything to grow the sport of rodeo? Who is educating the increasingly urbanized masses about the animals used in our sport? Who is looking through the eyes of a Chicago kid and explaining to them why calf roping is okay but you don't pick up a cat or puppy by the neck? Bull riding gets a pass because of the bull's advantages. We are in a world where some people think even owning a horse is considered cruel, much less riding one that "looks" angry or abused in any way. When I lived in the San Francisco Bay Arena, they tried to make it illegal to stall horses of a certain size in 12x12 and one county tried to make it mandatory for all animal events to have a veterinarian present (including the Tuesday night team penning practice!) They take issue with how our food is raised (Please check out and support Protect The Harvest). Those issues right there are why rodeo contestants don't make what other athletes do. Sponsors give their money to events people understand and support and in turn will increase their product availability. If a sponsor's base takes issue with a certain aspect of rodeo, well we know what happens. Pace Picante Sauce anyone? Who is going to step up and fund the movement to introduce city kids to horses, cattle and our sport? What's going on now ain't cutting it. Until we have kids wanting to play with roping dummies like they do soccer, football, dance, lacrosse, etc.,TV isn't going to help. How are you going to cover your athletes and explain the nuances to potential fans without taking away from the pace and excitement of the event? And then there's my favorite aspect of my job--people don't read! They don't listen! What you do put out there for the greater good of the sport has to be hit over and over and over again. That's hard to do without losing someone's interest. How do you even begin to balance that?It's not about showcasing the best rodeo athletes. Even movies with an Oscar-winning cast bombs if the script is bad. So who is working to change the image of our script??? I want rodeo athletes to make a living wage, but more important I just want rodeo to be around for my grandkids!
Latricia had a very good point there^^^
This was written and originally posted by Tanya Randall.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM
Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
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| crapshooter - 2015-09-23 2:55 PM Rodeo is going to be around because of rodeo people raising their kids to love rodeo and compete in it. And small rural towns and some large towns that love their annual rodeo. Not because of big city kids growing up to be a rodeo spectator. It never has and never will appeal to the mass of city people. And it's never going to pay the crazy money that main stream athletes get paid. Trying to mainstream rodeo is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
It's certainly a difficult task. You're probably right ...... but they once said the same thing about NASCAR. |
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| Agree with what everyone has been saying! Going to be interesting and as a "nobody" the ERA don't impress me. Feels like the "elite" cowboys are getting money greedy and the PRCA won't pay them enough. I guess 200 to 300k a year to CHOOSE to rodeo is a tough job. Trying working everyday to pay for entry fees and ride a no name horse with dreams of being able to make the NFR someday. Oops I forgot the big money they are getting for their sponsors....must not be just enough! The PRCA responded to their request and made the champions challenge. Guess nothing can make "them" happy! If they leave, that's great see ya later! Someone else is hungry and working their butts off to take their spot! JMO |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I would hope the WPRA doesnt do anything right now. Knee jerk reactions are never good and I trully hope they just stay out of it for now. Better to take the high road and let this play out some between the 2 partys. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cowgirl156 - 2015-09-23 7:33 PM Agree with what everyone has been saying! Going to be interesting and as a "nobody" the ERA don't impress me. Feels like the "elite" cowboys are getting money greedy and the PRCA won't pay them enough. I guess 200 to 300k a year to CHOOSE to rodeo is a tough job. Trying working everyday to pay for entry fees and ride a no name horse with dreams of being able to make the NFR someday. Oops I forgot the big money they are getting for their sponsors....must not be just enough! The PRCA responded to their request and made the champions challenge. Guess nothing can make "them" happy! If they leave, that's great see ya later! Someone else is hungry and working their butts off to take their spot! JMO
Hmmmmm? Isn’t that interesting…..YOU can call the good hearted, talented individuals of the ERA “greedy” and degrade their choices but let me tell you that your post is full of “sour grapes” and jealousy and the post is removed……Did that hit a little too close to home…..or was it the statement that the ones at the “bottom of the totem pole” are thinking like you…..gives US a better chance to win. Those individuals (ERA) work just as hard as anybody else to make it to the top and to STAY at the top! |
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-09-24 8:42 AM
I would hope the WPRA doesnt do anything right now. Knee jerk reactions are never good and I trully hope they just stay out of it for now. Better to take the high road and let this play out some between the 2 partys.
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