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Location: North Dakota | That is so heartbreaking :( I've never seen the results of monensin poisoning like that. I'm so glad for BHW. I never would have heard of this without you guys. It amazing that some people would still risk this and keep feeding sketchy feeds. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | What's sad is that the people responsible for keeping the feed that I was buying safe are posting pictures of how great their horses look on it.... It's tough not to comment that I've seen the horse run and he looks like mine did when I couldn't figure out what was wrong with him, and I couldn't get him out of the 2D either. |
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| I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest.
on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice.
I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet.
The scary part of feed testing is that there will be spots in a bag that have more, some that have less, and some that won't have any. Many times the contaminants aren't "mixed" into the feed so much as it's picked up along the way through the system. There will be false negatives and the possibility of testing lower than the highest amount that was actually in the feed.
Every test that I had done on my feed showed Monensin present. In my opinion, if Monensin can get into your feed, then anything can get into your feed. The testing that has to be done to know for sure what's in it is tough. It has to be specific, so you have to kind of have an idea of what you might be looking for. |
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| Kind of a nerd, I like to know the why behind things.
Why is monensin toxic to horses and not cattle? |
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| oranges - 2015-10-23 9:29 AM
Kind of a nerd, I like to know the why behind things.
Why is monensin toxic to horses and not cattle?
Cattle are Ruminants, horses are not. |
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| Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet.
I was feeding SafeChoice Senior and took my horse off when I went on vacation because he's been a "pill" (spooky and over reactive to everything). Â I thought he just wasn't getting enough exercise. Â I knew he wasn't getting ridden while I was gone and didn't want him to get "higher" and have the barn guys have to deal with him. Â I came home and got sick so I didn't put him back on. Â Yesterday when I went to turn him out - he actually acted like he was happy to see me. Â Now I'm wondering if he was not feeling well because of the feed. Â He's generally not trusting becuase of abuse issues - but he's definately not going back on it.
Does Renew Gold fall on the list??
 Gotta go look at the safe list.  Maybe someone can repost it here. Â
Thanks! Â
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2015-10-23 11:07 AM
Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet.
The scary part of feed testing is that there will be spots in a bag that have more, some that have less, and some that won't have any. Â Many times the contaminants aren't "mixed" into the feed so much as it's picked up along the way through the system. Â There will be false negatives and the possibility of testing lower than the highest amount that was actually in the feed.
Every test that I had done on my feed showed Monensin present. Â In my opinion, if Monensin can get into your feed, then anything can get into your feed. Â The testing that has to be done to know for sure what's in it is tough. Â It has to be specific, so you have to kind of have an idea of what you might be looking for. Â Â
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Location: Beggs, OK | quikchik - 2015-10-26 7:48 AM rachellyn80 - 2015-10-23 11:07 AM Jazz's Girl - 2015-10-23 9:43 AM I doubt it monensin. I know the lady that lost Bogo. I know her daughter and granddaughters. They take amazing care of their horses. Bogo I believe had been raised on the property. I am saying Quest did it. But thats my opinion. There have been to many others that have came forward with similar stories after deworming with Quest. on the feed note, I was feeding Safechoice Perform since May. In early september I started noticing alot of corn kernels in my feed. First bag I didnt think much about. But several bags, purchased from different TSC's and all had corn in them made me suspicious. About that time my semi retired mare started acting odd. Not anything drastic but after 13 years I know when she doesnt feel right. Something was off and I couldnt put my finger on it. Wouldnt come up to eat, I had to go catch her and bring her in. My husband found her laying down alot after eating. She was super reactive and spooky at EVERYTHING. I kept telling my husband that something wasnt right with her. The other 2 were normal. So I decided to perform an experiment. I took her off pellets and put her on just Chaff hay. Within 2 days she was acting more normal. Meeting me in her stall to eat. Less spooky. Acting like she felt better. Then one of my other mares coliced after breakfast one morning. That was the FINAL straw. Ordered some bluebonnet feed. We have to drive 2 hrs to get it but its worth it. They have been on it a little over a week now. I am going to give it some time but I think it will be my feed of choice. I am not 100% sure it was tainted feed but I feel in my gut it was. I need to get it tested. Just havent had it done yet. The scary part of feed testing is that there will be spots in a bag that have more, some that have less, and some that won't have any. Many times the contaminants aren't "mixed" into the feed so much as it's picked up along the way through the system. There will be false negatives and the possibility of testing lower than the highest amount that was actually in the feed.
Every test that I had done on my feed showed Monensin present. In my opinion, if Monensin can get into your feed, then anything can get into your feed. The testing that has to be done to know for sure what's in it is tough. It has to be specific, so you have to kind of have an idea of what you might be looking for. Where do you have feed tested for Monensin?
There are labs across the country. If you suspect feed contamination and have bags of feed that are still sealed you can contact your states department of agriculture and report it. They will come and sample feed from sealed bags and have it tested.
Oklahoma State University has a lab - OADDL that did testing on feed for me. Texas A&M and UC Davis are also good labs, OADDL will refer out testing to UC Davis as necessary. |
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Location: Deep South | run n rate - 2015-10-23 12:55 PM
Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search.
These companies either A) do not process medicated feed at all of B) process their medicated cattle feed in separate facilities from their horse feed.
Purina
Seminole
Renew Gold
Total Equine
Standlee Hay
Manna Pro
Blue Bonnett
Buckeye
Red River Feeds
Woody's Feeds
Tribute
Danco Forage
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Location: Beggs, OK | BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-26 10:18 AM run n rate - 2015-10-23 12:55 PM Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search. These companies either A ) do not process medicated feed at all of B ) process their medicated cattle feed in separate facilities from their horse feed. Purina Seminole Renew Gold Total Equine Standlee Hay Manna Pro Blue Bonnett Buckeye Red River Feeds Woody's Feeds Tribute
Danco Forage - Omnis Complete Performance Cubes & Mustang Sally |
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Location: Deep South | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-26 10:33 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2015-10-26 10:18 AM run n rate - 2015-10-23 12:55 PM Renew Gold is on the list of safe mills. I'd love to see the list pasted at the top of the forum for everyone to be able to go to immediately without having to do a search. These companies either A ) do not process medicated feed at all of B ) process their medicated cattle feed in separate facilities from their horse feed. Purina Seminole Renew Gold Total Equine Standlee Hay Manna Pro Blue Bonnett Buckeye Red River Feeds Woody's Feeds Tribute
I don't know how I forgot to add them! THanks, I fixed it! :) |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I have a question: If a horse has the toxin in it's body that bad, is it beyond saving? Or could the system be "flushed" so to speak of the toxin and the horse be fine? Are the effects lasting?
I switched mine over from Processed feeds because I thought my gelding was Colicing, So did everyone else on this forum. My vet included. Looking back I see what a difference it has made in both my horses by switching up my feed program. I am just curious if there are lasting effects... |
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Location: Beggs, OK | There is no way to "flush" ionophores from a horse's system. The damage is done quickly and permanently. In larger doses you'll see skeletal muscle and heart damage or death. In small "non-lethal" doses you'll see liver trauma and a whole array of nondescript symptoms from digestive upsets to neurological issues. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | rachellyn80 - 2015-10-26 12:10 PM There is no way to "flush" ionophores from a horse's system. The damage is done quickly and permanently. In larger doses you'll see skeletal muscle and heart damage or death. In small "non-lethal" doses you'll see liver trauma and a whole array of nondescript symptoms from digestive upsets to neurological issues.
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| So my horse untied himself last night and got into a bag of calf starter that contains a low dose of monensin. He didn't get very much at all- it was a brand new bag and you could hardly tell any was gone... If I hadn't seen him standing there chewing I would have never known (and I stuck my hand in his mouth and pulled out everything I could). I syringed 120cc's of mineral oil into him, and have started him on Silver Lining Herbs Kidney Support, as well as a product called UTI cleanse. I called my vet the second I saw he'd gotten into it and she said we could flush his stomach but if he'd only eaten a few handfuls it probably wouldn't bring much up. She suggested flushing him with mineral oil and keeping a close eye on him.
Is there anything else I can/should do? He is acting a bit lazy today (but I worked him pretty hard yesterday), still has an appetite and isn't colicky or anything so I'm not sure if I should be super concerned or not... But he's my baby so of course I'm pretty stressed over it! |
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