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Location: lexington KY | Well that is completely ridiculous, I would never pay that. This photographer charges $4.00 for a digital copy. He does a lot of the bigger shows.
http://puhlsphotography.com/index.htm
*Sorry meant to quote SassyPirate.
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komet. - 2015-10-27 3:32 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 3:23 PM
This is totally silly (I am not serious) but I refirbish old tack from time to time...my horses and usually me...because I am so smoking hot...are the "models" and I think that people should pay ME to take my picture...because theyre putting my tack, and my horse that might one day be for sale, and my smokin hot bod on their page....to promote their photography....BECAUSE we can take a **** good pic haha  ....but no...we dont have any actual rights to anything if we are in a public place from what I understand....so heres to buying digital copies :) Did the photographer not have to pay to get in there? If so it's Not public. 
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Location: Texas | SassyPirate - 2015-10-27 3:37 PM
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9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy.
If it were REALLY $3.00, I wouldn't mind paying for the a lot of the pictures!!!! $3.00 doesn't even cover shipping!
Digital copies around here are anywhere from $50-$60 at the least! I would pay $3 all day long!!
I've never paid that much. I've paid comparative to what the print copy was. But again- a lot of photographers have different products. If you want a digital to put on FB those are usually cheap. If you want a digital because it's going in an advertisement- those are more expensive. |
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Location: Midwest | I think Puhls Photography are very affordable. Like 5 or 6 dollars? Or less? This is for a digital copy for social media sharing. Easy to buy and great guy. If I want to post a picture on my fb, I will pay the money. He does great work and it's worth it for me. In many years I will be happy I have the pictures too.
I do find it irritating when I see watermarked pictures being used for sale ads. That is tacky. Plus, you can't hardly see the dang horse lol |
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Location: Midwest | polorunner - 2015-10-27 3:43 PM
Well that is completely ridiculous, I would never pay that. This photographer charges $4.00 for a digital copy. He does a lot of the bigger shows. http://puhlsphotography.com/index.htm*Sorry meant to quote SassyPirate.
The is who I was referring to. Good guy, great work |
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Location: lexington KY | casualdust07 - 2015-10-27 4:48 PM SassyPirate - 2015-10-27 3:37 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-27 2:24 PM polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM 9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy. If it were REALLY $3.00, I wouldn't mind paying for the a lot of the pictures!!!! $3.00 doesn't even cover shipping! Digital copies around here are anywhere from $50-$60 at the least! I would pay $3 all day long!! I've never paid that much. I've paid comparative to what the print copy was. But again- a lot of photographers have different products. If you want a digital to put on FB those are usually cheap. If you want a digital because it's going in an advertisement- those are more expensive.
Thank you for making the difference between the two. I am not referring to advertising when I am quoting the price. Since the OP wasnt talking about that, she was talking about Facebook and social media. I can totally see paying more for a high definition digitial copy for an advertisement. |
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| komet. - 2015-10-27 3:44 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 3:36 PM komet. - 2015-10-27 3:32 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 3:23 PM This is totally silly (I am not serious) but I refirbish old tack from time to time...my horses and usually me...because I am so smoking hot...are the "models" and I think that people should pay ME to take my picture...because theyre putting my tack, and my horse that might one day be for sale, and my smokin hot bod on their page....to promote their photography....BECAUSE we can take a **** good pic haha ....but no...we dont have any actual rights to anything if we are in a public place from what I understand....so heres to buying digital copies :) Did the photographer not have to pay to get in there? If so it's Not public. You don't know if people had to pay admission to watch this event?
No Comet, I dont knwo that the Photographer had to pay. That was your question wasnt it? The photographers are often invited to take pictures by the producers....sometimes they might have to pay a vendor fee...idk. These are just big added money barrel races....no one had to pay admission to watch. But I really thought you asked if the photographer had to pay...I have no idea what they work out with the producers. They are just public races. The RODEO photographers are contracted through the PRCA ...so they dont have to pay even when spectators do....thats where I am confused. What defines public...where spectators pay or dont pay...either way its on state, county or city property...and public isnt it? I have no idea
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | How about you copy right your image like the Nascar guys do. They can take your picture but they can't use them for profit in their business. |
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| BS Hauler - 2015-10-27 4:32 PM How about you copy right your image like the Nascar guys do. They can take your picture but they can't use them for profit in their business.
#GameChanger lol....although I have no idea how to do this...I think I may look into it for giggles. And besides...I think I'm pretty dang special :) But seriously...hmmmm
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Location: White Mountains of AZ | We have a photographer locally that if we want, he will post some pictures to our facebook himself :)
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| But then they wouldnt be able to sell me my picture....digital...print...nothing. That would kinda suck. Better not do that. I guess Ill just pay for the digital link like I am supposed to. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 4:08 PM
komet. - 2015-10-27 3:44 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 3:36 PM komet. - 2015-10-27 3:32 PM MOTIVATED - 2015-10-27 3:23 PM This is totally silly (I am not serious) but I refirbish old tack from time to time...my horses and usually me...because I am so smoking hot...are the "models" and I think that people should pay ME to take my picture...because theyre putting my tack, and my horse that might one day be for sale, and my smokin hot bod on their page....to promote their photography....BECAUSE we can take a **** good pic haha ....but no...we dont have any actual rights to anything if we are in a public place from what I understand....so heres to buying digital copies :) Did the photographer not have to pay to get in there? If so it's Not public. You don't know if people had to pay admission to watch this event?
Well it depends. The Government wanted to forbid commercial photography in the National parks that you had to pay to get into. Not sure where that went or if the law is working it's way through congress. I'm with some of the others here. If I pay for a photo of something that belongs to me, I'll post it for people to look at for free if I want to. It's no different than showing it to friends and family wherever you go. If they don't like it they can sue me and see what that does for their business. |
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| polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:51 PM
casualdust07 - 2015-10-27 4:48 PM SassyPirate - 2015-10-27 3:37 PM lhighquality - 2015-10-27 2:24 PM polorunner - 2015-10-27 2:46 PM 9 times out of 10 it isnt the issue of you buying the photo, it is normally the people that never buy anything from the photographer. They go on the website where the photos are for sale and steal them and post them on FB. Those photographers sit there for the entire show and take photos and I dont blame them at ALL for not wanting their photos stolen. It has always amazed me when you come home from a show and see photos on FB that have STOLEN written across them. How hard is it to pay the $3.00 for a digital copy? I am yet to meet a photographer that wont throw a digital copy in for free if you buy a hard copy of the photo. Most of them are wonderful to work with and get tired of people stealing their photos. They deserve to get paid just like anyone else. However Motivated if you already paid for the photo, I can't imagine they wouldnt be able to work with you on a digitial copy. If it were REALLY $3.00, I wouldn't mind paying for the a lot of the pictures!!!! $3.00 doesn't even cover shipping! Digital copies around here are anywhere from $50-$60 at the least! I would pay $3 all day long!! I've never paid that much. I've paid comparative to what the print copy was. But again- a lot of photographers have different products. If you want a digital to put on FB those are usually cheap. If you want a digital because it's going in an advertisement- those are more expensive.
These digital copies are not for advertising! They are just for personal use on Facebook etc...
This is why I get so fired up about this topic. Its not right. And I haven't purchased any for a long time because of this.
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| I'm a photographer and it is really frustrating when potential clients save/download proofed/watermarked photographs and post them on facebook and other places on social media . In most cases these individuals do not purchase the actual digital copies from the photographer. When I first started out I photographed a 4H show and posted them on my Facebook page and advertised them for less than $5 each for a digital high resolution download. That is extremely cheap and I gave them a discount for multiple photographs, I thought it would be a nice 4H discount and would help promote my business. Well unfortunately only a few of them actually purchased the photographs and I saw plenty of watermarked copyright photographs that weren't purchased floating all around the internet. It is one risk of posting your photographs on facebook especially since it is very easy to download any photograph on facebook and save it on your own computer. Sites such as smugmug and other websites make it harder for people to download proofs. I used Facebook for when I was starting out because it is easy to access and I don't have to pay any website fees. Social media is a wonderful tool but it has also become many photographer's nightmare.
This is the best article I have found that explains the copy right laws in an easy to read way. I constantly post this on my photography page just to help remind horse owners to be supportive of their photographers at these events.
http://www.barrelhorsenews.com/articles/how-to/3799-illegal-images
When I go to barrel races I try to purchase a photo of my horse at every event to help support the photographers. It's not easy taking photos all day long. They are literally there from the beginning of the races to the end with few breaks, not to mention the many hours it takes to edit photographs. Trust me, we want you to promote our photography especially if it is a photograph that you want to share with all your friends and you are proud of, that is our job and that makes us happy when we capture those moments, so if you have any questions about posting photographs on your social media pages or using any for advertising, PLEASE email the photographer we are happy to answer any questions or concerns.
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Location: Kansas | euchee - 2015-10-27 3:12 PM A photographer was driving down the hiway after a big snow storm and took a picture of the back of my Dad's barn. It is an awesome picture that looks like a greeting card. I purchased a copy to have as a keepsake. My Dad's point was that it was his barn and taken without his permission so I shouldn't have had to pay for it. After all the guy said it was his best selling one yet Dad receives nothing from it. Seems like the door should swing both ways.
If the barn is identifiable then the photographer needs a propery release to use commercially (selling in any form or used in an advertisement even for charity). It doen't matter if they were on your propery or a public road when taking the shot.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | christylynn89 - 2015-10-27 5:30 PM
I'm a photographer and it is really frustrating when potential clients save/download proofed/watermarked photographs and post them on facebook and other places on social media . In most cases these individuals do not purchase the actual digital copies from the photographer. When I first started out I photographed a 4H show and posted them on my Facebook page and advertised them for less than $5 each for a digital high resolution download. That is extremely cheap and I gave them a discount for multiple photographs, I thought it would be a nice 4H discount and would help promote my business. Well unfortunately only a few of them actually purchased the photographs and I saw plenty of watermarked copyright photographs that weren't purchased floating all around the internet. It is one risk of posting your photographs on facebook especially since it is very easy to download any photograph on facebook and save it on your own computer. Sites such as smugmug and other websites make it harder for people to download proofs. I used Facebook for when I was starting out because it is easy to access and I don't have to pay any website fees. Social media is a wonderful tool but it has also become many photographer's nightmare.
This is the best article I have found that explains the copy right laws in an easy to read way. I constantly post this on my photography page just to help remind horse owners to be supportive of their photographers at these events.
http://www.barrelhorsenews.com/articles/how-to/3799-illegal-images
When I go to barrel races I try to purchase a photo of my horse at every event to help support the photographers. It's not easy taking photos all day long. They are literally there from the beginning of the races to the end with few breaks, not to mention the many hours it takes to edit photographs. Trust me, we want you to promote our photography especially if it is a photograph that you want to share with all your friends and you are proud of, that is our job and that makes us happy when we capture those moments, so if you have any questions about posting photographs on your social media pages or using any for advertising, PLEASE email the photographer we are happy to answer any questions or concerns.
Thank you for giving us that helpful info and link. Good to know you can control your image to some extent through right to publicity. Anyone who doesn't like copyright will also need to blame George Washington who helped establish the first laws in this country on copyright. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | christylynn89 - 2015-10-27 5:30 PM I'm a photographer and it is really frustrating when potential clients save/download proofed/watermarked photographs and post them on facebook and other places on social media . In most cases these individuals do not purchase the actual digital copies from the photographer. When I first started out I photographed a 4H show and posted them on my Facebook page and advertised them for less than $5 each for a digital high resolution download. That is extremely cheap and I gave them a discount for multiple photographs, I thought it would be a nice 4H discount and would help promote my business. Well unfortunately only a few of them actually purchased the photographs and I saw plenty of watermarked copyright photographs that weren't purchased floating all around the internet. It is one risk of posting your photographs on facebook especially since it is very easy to download any photograph on facebook and save it on your own computer. Sites such as smugmug and other websites make it harder for people to download proofs. I used Facebook for when I was starting out because it is easy to access and I don't have to pay any website fees. Social media is a wonderful tool but it has also become many photographer's nightmare. This is the best article I have found that explains the copy right laws in an easy to read way. I constantly post this on my photography page just to help remind horse owners to be supportive of their photographers at these events. http://www.barrelhorsenews.com/articles/how-to/3799-illegal-images When I go to barrel races I try to purchase a photo of my horse at every event to help support the photographers. It's not easy taking photos all day long. They are literally there from the beginning of the races to the end with few breaks, not to mention the many hours it takes to edit photographs. Trust me, we want you to promote our photography especially if it is a photograph that you want to share with all your friends and you are proud of, that is our job and that makes us happy when we capture those moments, so if you have any questions about posting photographs on your social media pages or using any for advertising, PLEASE email the photographer we are happy to answer any questions or concerns.
But we were talking about people who bought a pic scanning it and posting on FB. Not even in the same league as snitching one without paying. |
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Three 4 Luck - 2015-10-27 3:28 PM
If I buy a pic and post it on my FB or here or whatever, and someone doesn't like it, they can kiss my ass. I can understand if you use it in an ad, but personal display is personal display.
Exactly. I've paid up to $40 for a picture. I'll do with it what I please.
ATTAGIRLS ....
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TO COPYRIGHT A PHOTO YOU MUST HAVE THE PERMISSION OF THE ONE IN THE PHOTO AND GO THRU A LEGAL COPYRIGHT PROCEDURE ... ...
PHOTOGRAPHERS LOVE TO PLAY THE ROLE OF THE VICTIM ....
WHEN THEY ARE NOTHING BUT PAPARAZZI TRYING TO SELL YOU YOUR IMAGE THEY STOLE WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION ...
IN THE HOPES THAT YOU WILL PAY THEM MONEY FOR THEIR CRIMINAL INTRUSION OF YOUR PRIVACY ...
lol ...
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Location: Missouri | Ok, here's my thing, if i buy the digital rights like they are asking, then I don't need to buy that physical photo. I should be given that photo on a CD so that I can then take it to Wal-mart or any other photo store and make as many "pictures" as I like. So in that case shouldn't the digital rights be more expensive since I am essentially buying that photo and making it mine? If photographers want to play the whole you need to buy the "rights" to this photo before posting, shouldn't they then explain how that works. If I have to buy multiple forms of my photo, digital, physical, holographic, ect, I should be then given a CD of that photo so that I can then make as many copies as I want since it is then MY photo. The logic behind some of this is questionable. |
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