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Location: The edge of no where | grinandbareit - 2015-11-09 10:21 PM SKM - 2015-11-09 7:38 PM What were the ERA people thinking would happen when: 1) They have the ERA contestants do a Q&A where they state that they will not do the Challenge Rodeos the PRCA puts on that ate telecasted on CBS but will instead do the ERA rodeos. 2) The ERA creates an "A Team" that is pretty much based on the PRCA/WPRA World Champions and the ERA is bragging about showcasing said PRCA/WPRA champions. 3) In order to qualify on the ERA "B Team", people are going to have to basically compete in the biggest PRCA/WPRA rodeos in order to meet the added money, contestant limits and events. In other words the ERA is using the PRCA/WPRA as a spring board to get these qualifications. Not to mention this us how the ERA expects people to "prove they have the ability to be on the ERA. 4) No other rodeo association us using the PRCA/WPRA in this manner. How can it be anti trust if you are using another association as your base without their consent? I was actually all for the ERA... in the beginning. They are only adding two people to each event each season, so only 16 people will advance to the next season... The only way you can qualify is to get points in an event that has all seven events with at least $5k added to each event. So, you have to haul your butt off to qualify. Definitely not a big improvement for those not already in. Once you get in, you have to stay in the top six or you better start the hauling game again. The PBR has one event and fifty of the top riders. You can have a bad year and fall 30 spots and still stay in. That's a big difference. It's a money thing, like everything else. Which is fine, but don't fill my head full of crap and try to make me believe that you're looking out for the future of rodeo. You're looking out for the future of your retirement. It's a business venture, period. I wish them luck.
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| ThreeCorners - 2015-11-10 4:44 AM
It would be a entirely different ball game IF the ERA was producing their own qualifying rodeo's. Not piggy backing off the PRCA. They want the PRCA to do all the work for them, and take all the risks to hand them their "Elite" on a silver platter so they can reap the benefits. The PBR is producing all their own events, not using the PRCA to give them their "Elite". As far as I'm concerned they are acting like spoiled little kids throwing their sucker in the dirt when the parents tighten the purse strings. If they want to stand on their own 2 feet then do that, but do the work and take the risks to get there. They need to produce ALL their own rodeo's and qualifying events.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM
I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.
Yes!!! And I think it would be super interesting to get some new blood in there!! It's kind of like, "Oh, so you won another world title, yes yes, great job. Retire already, I want to see who else is hanging tight."
I really want the ERA to become a thing. I'd love for the greats to be pounding on each other in their own pen, with some underdogs in there to cheer for.
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| Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM
I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are.
Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter.
I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion.
I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person.
Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
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Location: The edge of no where | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
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| MS2011 - 2015-11-10 8:07 AM
kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
Oh yes I understand its a VERY small piece and they werent doing it out of "kindness" lol, but I just was wondering what would make them want to up it in years to come if all the world champions (if they are even proud of those titles after yesterdays press release) are jumping ship. I just think they were moving prize money in a positve direction in Las Vegas and now this. | |
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Location: Texas | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything | |
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| casualdust07 - 2015-11-10 8:21 AM
kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything
Doesnt matter if its 1st string or 3rd string the horses still have to be hauled all over the country. Isnt that one of the selling points of the ERA anyway? More money, less travel.
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kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business??
A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything
Doesnt matter if its 1st string or 3rd string the horses still have to be hauled all over the country. Isnt that one of the selling points of the ERA anyway? More money, less travel.
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Location: 'Hawk Country | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:30 AM casualdust07 - 2015-11-10 8:21 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? A lot of those guys have several horses and their #1 mounts aren't used at all the smaller rodeos... they're saved for the big ones or they compete on other people's horses. So their first string mounts for the most part aren't getting run to the ground during the year. those big guys are just like the top girls in barrel racing that have several rigs going different places and they hop on planes to get to the next rodeo. Yes, there are some in every discipline that have ONE horse and make it on that one, but thats not always the case. And, rough stock riders don't haul anything Doesnt matter if its 1st string or 3rd string the horses still have to be hauled all over the country. Isnt that one of the selling points of the ERA anyway? More money, less travel.
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Location: MI | Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of the ERA but am interested to see how it plays out. In this argument though, 2 things come to my mind:
1. I thought the new PRCA by-laws only applied to the 'board members' of the ERA? If that's the case, and the ERA founders said that they want this new association so they can 'haul less' - then why are they upset about being 'pushed out' out of the PRCA? Are they worried they won't make it in the ERA? or were they planning on still participating in the PRCA rodeos while on the ERA tour - in which case they are adding to their schedule (and potentially paycheck) by adding the ERA dates? (I understand they may have to rodeo in the PRCA if they fall down in the ERA rankings, but shouldn't have to while on the ERA tour if their motives are true)
2. I didn't see the PRCA making laws against participation when the American started - but, they have been a parallel organization of sorts with their own qualifying system - and, I didn't see the American making digs at the PRCA, which I do feel that the ERA has done multiple times in their press.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:12 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-10 8:07 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? Oh yes I understand its a VERY small piece and they werent doing it out of "kindness" lol, but I just was wondering what would make them want to up it in years to come if all the world champions (if they are even proud of those titles after yesterdays press release ) are jumping ship. I just think they were moving prize money in a positve direction in Las Vegas and now this.
I don't think they are "jumping ship"....they are, now, being pushed overboard......"Some" (not all) of the original owners were STILL planning to rodeo but this concept gave them the "option" to cut their traveling if they didn't want to haul...... | |
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Location: 'Hawk Country | Not to be completely crappy, but they could get a "real" job and be home with their family every night. No one is holding a gun to their head and making them rodeo for a living. They are choosing to do that. It's hard to empathize with them while working a full time job, and 3-5 part time jobs, in order to be able to go to 25-30 circuit rodeos a year. My horse is winning more than I'm spending on fees and travel, but not enough to make pickup and trailer payments, let alone living expenses. | |
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| NJJ - 2015-11-10 11:01 AM
kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:12 AM MS2011 - 2015-11-10 8:07 AM kboltwkreations - 2015-11-10 8:03 AM Nevertooold - 2015-11-09 5:22 PM I will say if any or all of the ERA members got banned from the NFR I sure wouldn't cancell by plane ticket to the NFR this year. I feel some of them think they are way more important then what they really are. Wont be canceling my trip either, and just dont think anything could sway me from being a NFR supporter. I do agree that they all have paid their dues and would be nice to see them have to travel less (mostly for the horses sake ), but I also feel that it is a slap in the face to Las Vegas Events and all the hard work they put in at the first of the year to up the prize money to $10 mil, for contestants to still say they arent making enough money and that they are looking for a "true" world champion. I mean the go rounds are paying 26,000+ this year and 70,000+ for the average win (a MAJOR change from years past ). Have a good NFR and you could walk away with 250,000-300,000... Thats a dang good 10 day paycheck, and should be more than breaking even for the average person. Why would LVE try to keep uping the purse after this year when they see they arent apprecitated by the best in the business?? Oh yes I understand its a VERY small piece and they werent doing it out of "kindness" lol, but I just was wondering what would make them want to up it in years to come if all the world champions (if they are even proud of those titles after yesterdays press release ) are jumping ship. I just think they were moving prize money in a positve direction in Las Vegas and now this.
Very true. Makes me wonder if all that signed up for the ERA knew what all they would be getting into. | |
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| ozcancrasher13 - 2015-11-10 11:46 AM
Not to be completely crappy, but they could get a "real" job and be home with their family every night. No one is holding a gun to their head and making them rodeo for a living. They are choosing to do that. It's hard to empathize with them while working a full time job, and 3-5 part time jobs, in order to be able to go to 25-30 circuit rodeos a year. My horse is winning more than I'm spending on fees and travel, but not enough to make pickup and trailer payments, let alone living expenses.
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I am in sales and would love to have a pay raise and travel less. Only way to do that is to get a different job. | |
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| Membership has its privileges and it has its restrictions. If you want to be a PRCA member then you are restricted by its regulations, plain and simple. No one makes a person be a member. If you don't like it, don't be a member. Or get enough members to back a certain train of thought to make the association reconsider its rules. I don't know that this is so much about what the PRCA is trying to make the ERA do or don't do as much as it is limiting what its members can do. Other than utilizing its rodeos for the qualifiers. May have to go the American route and come up with your own qualifiers.
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| ksjackofalltrades - 2015-11-10 11:52 AM
Ha Ha. Rodeo cowboy and real job don't go together.
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