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Location: Where I am happiest | I have all the $$ amounts written down. Now what sold and what was a no sale I do not know. 1) $5200? 2) $8500 3)$7500 4)7500 5)$1600 7)$4700 8) $2000 9) $7300 10) $600 11) $1800 12) $1500 13) $6500 14) $6500 15) $1700 16) $7500 17) $14,700 18) $2800 19) $900 20) $4000 21) $600 22) $700 23) $4500 24) $1300 25) $26,000 26) $1600 27) $9000 28) $9000 29) $1200 30) $5000 31) $3600 32) $3000 33) $30,000 34) $7500 35) $3500 36) $6500 37) $3800 38) $12,700 39) $4800 40) $40,000 41) $33,000 42) $25,000 43) $3900 44) out 45) $6000 46) $15,000 47) $6500 48) $1500 49) $6000 50) $2500 51) $20,000 52) $9800 53) $40,000 54) $2700 55) $2900 56) $14,500 57) $4800 58) $5500 59) I missed that one. 60) $4800 61) $5500 62) out 63) $800 64) $out 65) $23,000 66) $2500 67) $2000 | |
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Location: Texas | mollibtexan - 2015-11-15 1:07 AM
Hugs thank you! The Darkelly sold for $7,500 and my Fame sold for $33,500. Both super nice colts that will make someone very nice horses!
Molli I didn't realize the Darkelly sold so low. I though you would PO him for sure. Man he was nice! Someone got a heck of a deal!!! | |
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Location: College Station, TX | WrapSnap - 2015-11-15 8:39 AM
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I enjoy fellowship with other barrel racers , horsemen and women, its what makes our world go round and help our sport grow into something elite for those for whom it is their passion. However, I don't enjoy the igornance that comes a long with it.
This is a very "this is what I saw, so this is what I think" thread. Did yall take the time to walk through aisles, or ask others about consigned horses? These are just my issues with social forums. No one knows the real story.
As far as "lead change boy" and those horses go....they did not start those 2 yr olds. The original trainer did such a bad job starting them, that other riders were found to hopefully TURN AROUND the job already started at hand. Once lead change boy and his crew started, they put hours of blood sweat and tears into those colts to get the best out of them that they could. Do y'all have experience with young horses? I assume so. 2 yr olds are never to be expected of the same things that they do at home, ESPECIALLY when it is their first time away, first crowd to see, and as far as the trainers, their FIRST elite sale to ride in.
No one knows how those colts demos affected their trainers accept me, because our stalls were directly across and they are our FRIENDS. I'll just say this...get ready for them for next year. Lead change boy and his crew are coming back with a vengeance to prove to the close minded, what their talents actually are.
Instead of breaking ppl, their colts, and a sale down....why not do a little research before typing such awful things that sway the opinions of the entire barrel horse world.
This world needs more ENCOURAGMENT and less **** TALKING.
I wasn't talking smack. Those horses hadn't had the necessary exposure to allow them to perform well in the preview. I actually thought that a few of them were quite nice and would have faired better had they been allowed to show a consistent lope on a circle. After the first change or two didn't work, stop trying to be fancy and just show your horse's good qualities. Sale barn riding 101. I never said the horses weren't nice. I sure hope that they do come back with better prepped colts in the future, as I was a fan of the sort of individuals their program is producing.
The whole reason I went was for one of these horses (which I didn't end up getting). I wasn't impressed with the demos but I did go back and talk to the guys riding and the filly had just been started 2.5 months ago, NOT the 6 in the catalog. This was also the case with one of their others I ended up liking after seeing her. Both had not been started by the previous trainer based on what I was told, had no start at all until they got there. I think it may have been beneficial to announce a correction to the catalog that said they had been started only 2 months ago so people didn't think they were looking at a horse with 6 months riding performing that poorly.
ETA: I didn't hold the demos against any of them at all after taking to the trainers. It made a lot more sense knowing that than it did thinking the horses had 6 months of riding and hauling like the catalog said. I think people just had different expectations for them based on what was written. If my husband hadn't been sitting next to me to stop me I wpuld have been inclined to go over my budget anyway.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Talkeetnababe - 2015-11-15 1:02 PM WrapSnap - 2015-11-15 8:39 AM cstoner13 - 2015-11-15 8:04 AM I enjoy fellowship with other barrel racers , horsemen and women, its what makes our world go round and help our sport grow into something elite for those for whom it is their passion. However, I don't enjoy the igornance that comes a long with it. This is a very "this is what I saw, so this is what I think" thread. Did yall take the time to walk through aisles, or ask others about consigned horses? These are just my issues with social forums. No one knows the real story. As far as "lead change boy" and those horses go....they did not start those 2 yr olds. The original trainer did such a bad job starting them, that other riders were found to hopefully TURN AROUND the job already started at hand. Once lead change boy and his crew started, they put hours of blood sweat and tears into those colts to get the best out of them that they could. Do y'all have experience with young horses? I assume so. 2 yr olds are never to be expected of the same things that they do at home, ESPECIALLY when it is their first time away, first crowd to see, and as far as the trainers, their FIRST elite sale to ride in. No one knows how those colts demos affected their trainers accept me, because our stalls were directly across and they are our FRIENDS. I'll just say this...get ready for them for next year. Lead change boy and his crew are coming back with a vengeance to prove to the close minded, what their talents actually are. Instead of breaking ppl, their colts, and a sale down....why not do a little research before typing such awful things that sway the opinions of the entire barrel horse world. This world needs more ENCOURAGMENT and less **** TALKING. I wasn't talking smack. Those horses hadn't had the necessary exposure to allow them to perform well in the preview. I actually thought that a few of them were quite nice and would have faired better had they been allowed to show a consistent lope on a circle. After the first change or two didn't work, stop trying to be fancy and just show your horse's good qualities. Sale barn riding 101. I never said the horses weren't nice. I sure hope that they do come back with better prepped colts in the future, as I was a fan of the sort of individuals their program is producing. The whole reason I went was for one of these horses (which I didn't end up getting ). I wasn't impressed with the demos but I did go back and talk to the guys riding and the filly had just been started 2.5 months ago, NOT the 6 in the catalog. This was also the case with one of their others I ended up liking after seeing her. Both had not been started by the previous trainer based on what I was told, had no start at all until they got there. I think it may have been beneficial to announce a correction to the catalog that said they had been started only 2 months ago so people didn't think they were looking at a horse with 6 months riding performing that poorly. ETA: I didn't hold the demos against any of them at all after taking to the trainers. It made a lot more sense knowing that than it did thinking the horses had 6 months of riding and hauling like the catalog said. I think people just had different expectations for them based on what was written. If my husband hadn't been sitting next to me to stop me I wpuld have been inclined to go over my budget anyway.
Your right, they should have made an announced correction. As I stated earlier, they were nice horses and one of them I really liked but the demo hurt them. You and I probably liked the same filly. lol. However, that drives even more the point they should not have been asked for lead changes!!! Reined Cowhorse guys are the masters of broke horses and lead changes and they dont even think of asking for lead changes untill almost a year!!! Around the 7 or 8 month mark after they have all the lateral, shoulder control and hip control. As far as their "Friend" that posted, nowhere did anybody dis those horses, ( In fact we all said they were nice horses and bred well) Nor did anybody dis the sale!!! Donna does a great job on this sale and we as a industryy NEED some good sales!!! People looking for good quality prospects, like quietly started, soft, responsive, confident colts!!! The guy that rode and previewed the Twin Lakes horses put on a clinic! That is a huge reason why both those horses sold so well!! Molli put on a clinic on showing a colt going well on the pattern. THESE are the type of prepping, training, and previews that sell horses for good money!! I will also point out, we here on this board, are THE people, THE target group, that buy barrel horses and breed for barrel horses, train barrel horses and compete with barrel horses. So dont be dissing the group, that your targeting to sell to. Embrace the information of what WE are looking for and come back next year with nice, soft, relaxed colts that can just go lope a nice circle without trying to run through the bridle, stop squarely, back up easily, and do a simple turn around all the while staying soft and confident. I wanted one of those fillies, and I sure do wish she had previewed better and more relaxed. I wont buy a rammed and jammed baby. Period.
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| Well mine wasnt rammed or jammed, she was fit, shiny and looked like someone had but a lot of time into her...because that someone was ME. She was hauled to every jackpot, team roping, practice pen for the last 7 months, she had pushed cattle and been on trail rides. What she wasn't was pushed harder than a 3 yr old needed to be or was physically ready to be pushed. What she wasn't was cruising the barrels and ready to enter in the futurities because she is a 15.3 hand 3 yr old who has grown and filled out so much in the last 6 months I..ME..personally wanted to give her the chance to do that without hurting her. So by me opting to let her grow and take my time with her she didn't sell well enough for me to want to let her go. I brought her home and will continue on my time tables with her. Was is it any fault of the sale nope, Donna did all she could to get people to be there and buy horses.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | mbcruel21 - 2015-11-15 5:48 PM Well mine wasnt rammed or jammed, she was fit, shiny and looked like someone had but a lot of time into her...because that someone was ME. She was hauled to every jackpot, team roping, practice pen for the last 7 months, she had pushed cattle and been on trail rides. What she wasn't was pushed harder than a 3 yr old needed to be or was physically ready to be pushed. What she wasn't was cruising the barrels and ready to enter in the futurities because she is a 15.3 hand 3 yr old who has grown and filled out so much in the last 6 months I..ME..personally wanted to give her the chance to do that without hurting her. So by me opting to let her grow and take my time with her she didn't sell well enough for me to want to let her go. I brought her home and will continue on my time tables with her. Was is it any fault of the sale nope, Donna did all she could to get people to be there and buy horses.
And she is nice. Keep up the good work with her.
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| I never said anything about the training. I'm talking about pure encouragement and constructive criticism. Using the words gunsels, idiots, and kill barn riders is exactly what kills confidence. That is my problem with that persons's post. As assistant trainer at Twin Lakes I do understand what is expected of a good futurity prospect. I also know we got there through constructive criticism not ppl saying how awful it was at first. My point is constructive criticism rather than ripping ppl apart. Our horses made mistakes and just because the majority didn't catch it and pick it apart, doesn't mean we didn't discuss it behind doors. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | cstoner13 - 2015-11-15 7:19 PM I never said anything about the training. I'm talking about pure encouragement and constructive criticism. Using the words gunsels, idiots, and kill barn riders is exactly what kills confidence. That is my problem with that persons's post. As assistant trainer at Twin Lakes I do understand what is expected of a good futurity prospect. I also know we got there through constructive criticism not ppl saying how awful it was at first. My point is constructive criticism rather than ripping ppl apart. Our horses made mistakes and just because the majority didn't catch it and pick it apart, doesn't mean we didn't discuss it behind doors.
I wasn't there and the feed of the demos wouldn't work. I will tell you, a friend of mine called and told me about your horses and how awesome they were broke and how well they did in the demonstrations. Congrats! 
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Location: Texas | I would be scared to death to preview a horse I put in a sale, LOL. I should have put my 2 YO Sun of a Bunny in the sale but I didn't think I would have him ready in time. But honestly, he would have acted scared in that arena because he's a 2 YO who hasn't been hauled a lot. | |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | The main things I would like to see at the Demo's is a nice trot, lope circles on both leads and a nice stop and back( show me the colt is broke in the face). Show control over the hip and shoulder. Yes a two year old is not going to be predictable but at least show us the above. If you have that much invested in your colts get them out a little before the sale. Crowd broke and trailer broke. If you are going to attempt more make sure your colt is ready. | |
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Location: Texas | mreklaw - 2015-11-16 8:55 AM
The main things I would like to see at the Demo's is a nice trot, lope circles on both leads and a nice stop and back( show me the colt is broke in the face). Show control over the hip and shoulder. Yes a two year old is not going to be predictable but at least show us the above. If you have that much invested in your colts get them out a little before the sale. Crowd broke and trailer broke. If you are going to attempt more make sure your colt is ready.
yeah thats why i didnt put him in, I knew he wouldn't be ready. On a positive note, I took him to a seminar at school and he was great... at being scared. LOL. It was a "Handling the Problem Horse" seminar and I knew he would be good because he was green and a little spooky. They had us put the horse in a round pen, take the halter off, and then go through all the steps from catching, to teaching them how to get shots, and taking a rectal temp. It was awesome watching this guy work with him. He's not BAD by any means but was a good example of how to judge whether a horse is scared or being a bully, and how you would handle each one. The first horse in the demo was a big bully, and then Jed was fearful. It was like I went to a horsemanship clinic but it was free to SCAAEP members so it was awesome! | |
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| I wanted to come back to add something, I am with Colleen on most of yalls meaness. Did any of you go back to the stalls and actually LOOK at the horses or TALK to the people who had been handling them, ask questions and then make a judgement? Lead Change Boy as yall have deemed him and his crew had been riding those colts around since they got to Waco with them. They were nice young men and the ONE who rode them in the demos rode EVERYONE of their colts, most 2 horses apart. I know this because I was the one lining them up in the back to go in the pen. He was having to hop off one 2 yr old and hop on the other one. He was so hard on himself because he felt like he didnt get a good showing on those babies. Like Colleen said they will be back and they will come ready to show everyone what they have. Be mindful people, you have no idea how much time and work the majority put into their colts in the hopes of them doing well and going to a a good program. Sure there will always be the few that dont put that effort in but the majority does and takes offense to what has been said here. These are not colts being dumped, these a people who work hard to get horses they believe in, into good hands to move forward with.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | mbcruel21 - 2015-11-16 9:14 AM
I wanted to come back to add something, I am with Colleen on most of yalls meaness. Did any of you go back to the stalls and actually LOOK at the horses or TALK to the people who had been handling them, ask questions and then make a judgement? Lead Change Boy as yall have deemed him and his crew had been riding those colts around since they got to Waco with them. They were nice young men and the ONE who rode them in the demos rode EVERYONE of their colts, most 2 horses apart. I know this because I was the one lining them up in the back to go in the pen. He was having to hop off one 2 yr old and hop on the other one. He was so hard on himself because he felt like he didnt get a good showing on those babies. Like Colleen said they will be back and they will come ready to show everyone what they have. Be mindful people, you have no idea how much time and work the majority put into their colts in the hopes of them doing well and going to a a good program. Sure there will always be the few that dont put that effort in but the majority does and takes offense to what has been said here. These are not colts being dumped, these a people who work hard to get horses they believe in, into good hands to move forward with.
I actually talked to them several times way before the sale. I didn't agree with the draw reins they had on all of them in the pre sale videos but that's not why I didn't bid. I was told by the owner the filly I wanted was going to have a high reserve on her so I elected not to bid unless it got to that point. It didn't. Im anxious to see if she actually sold. I do hope they come back because as several people on here have stated they do have nice colts. | |
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Location: MD | mbcruel21 - 2015-11-16 9:14 AM
I wanted to come back to add something, I am with Colleen on most of yalls meaness. Did any of you go back to the stalls and actually LOOK at the horses or TALK to the people who had been handling them, ask questions and then make a judgement? Lead Change Boy as yall have deemed him and his crew had been riding those colts around since they got to Waco with them. They were nice young men and the ONE who rode them in the demos rode EVERYONE of their colts, most 2 horses apart. I know this because I was the one lining them up in the back to go in the pen. He was having to hop off one 2 yr old and hop on the other one. He was so hard on himself because he felt like he didnt get a good showing on those babies. Like Colleen said they will be back and they will come ready to show everyone what they have. Be mindful people, you have no idea how much time and work the majority put into their colts in the hopes of them doing well and going to a a good program. Sure there will always be the few that dont put that effort in but the majority does and takes offense to what has been said here. These are not colts being dumped, these a people who work hard to get horses they believe in, into good hands to move forward with.
I am the one who referred to him as "Lead change boy". I did NOT mean that as any sort of attack. It is merely my way of remembering someone. I create names for certain situations quite often. There is no mistaking that he was out there attempting lead changes on those horses and they weren't working (even the changes that swapped on both ends). It seems to me that there have been several people who came on with further evidence after having spoken with them to support my initial statements that they had not been properly prepared. I am not saying that this was the fault of the consignor. It appears that they had sent them off to be started and the work wasn't being done. I never said that the horses weren't nice, actually just the contrary. Of course all involved were disappointed/upset. Their colts didn't show well. I did state that for colts at that level of experience, I would have preferred to see them show the simple basics of their movement and not to try and be so flashy when it obviously wasn't working. The fact remains, no matter how hard they worked at it, or how upset they were, the work hadn't been done beforehand and it showed. It's a shame that these boys were in a situation where they were having to play "catch up" with these colts. I never said that they were the ones who hadn't done the work though. | |
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| WrapSnap - 2015-11-16 9:41 AM mbcruel21 - 2015-11-16 9:14 AM I wanted to come back to add something, I am with Colleen on most of yalls meaness. Did any of you go back to the stalls and actually LOOK at the horses or TALK to the people who had been handling them, ask questions and then make a judgement? Lead Change Boy as yall have deemed him and his crew had been riding those colts around since they got to Waco with them. They were nice young men and the ONE who rode them in the demos rode EVERYONE of their colts, most 2 horses apart. I know this because I was the one lining them up in the back to go in the pen. He was having to hop off one 2 yr old and hop on the other one. He was so hard on himself because he felt like he didnt get a good showing on those babies. Like Colleen said they will be back and they will come ready to show everyone what they have. Be mindful people, you have no idea how much time and work the majority put into their colts in the hopes of them doing well and going to a a good program. Sure there will always be the few that dont put that effort in but the majority does and takes offense to what has been said here. These are not colts being dumped, these a people who work hard to get horses they believe in, into good hands to move forward with. I am the one who referred to him as "Lead change boy". I did NOT mean that as any sort of attack. It is merely my way of remembering someone. I create names for certain situations quite often. There is no mistaking that he was out there attempting lead changes on those horses and they weren't working (even the changes that swapped on both ends ). It seems to me that there have been several people who came on with further evidence after having spoken with them to support my initial statements that they had not been properly prepared. I am not saying that this was the fault of the consignor. It appears that they had sent them off to be started and the work wasn't being done. I never said that the horses weren't nice, actually just the contrary. Of course all involved were disappointed/upset. Their colts didn't show well. I did state that for colts at that level of experience, I would have preferred to see them show the simple basics of their movement and not to try and be so flashy when it obviously wasn't working. The fact remains, no matter how hard they worked at it, or how upset they were, the work hadn't been done beforehand and it showed. It's a shame that these boys were in a situation where they were having to play "catch up" with these colts. I never said that they were the ones who hadn't done the work though.
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Location: Where I am happiest | mbcruel21 - 2015-11-16 9:47 AM WrapSnap - 2015-11-16 9:41 AM mbcruel21 - 2015-11-16 9:14 AM I wanted to come back to add something, I am with Colleen on most of yalls meaness. Did any of you go back to the stalls and actually LOOK at the horses or TALK to the people who had been handling them, ask questions and then make a judgement? Lead Change Boy as yall have deemed him and his crew had been riding those colts around since they got to Waco with them. They were nice young men and the ONE who rode them in the demos rode EVERYONE of their colts, most 2 horses apart. I know this because I was the one lining them up in the back to go in the pen. He was having to hop off one 2 yr old and hop on the other one. He was so hard on himself because he felt like he didnt get a good showing on those babies. Like Colleen said they will be back and they will come ready to show everyone what they have. Be mindful people, you have no idea how much time and work the majority put into their colts in the hopes of them doing well and going to a a good program. Sure there will always be the few that dont put that effort in but the majority does and takes offense to what has been said here. These are not colts being dumped, these a people who work hard to get horses they believe in, into good hands to move forward with. I am the one who referred to him as "Lead change boy". I did NOT mean that as any sort of attack. It is merely my way of remembering someone. I create names for certain situations quite often. There is no mistaking that he was out there attempting lead changes on those horses and they weren't working (even the changes that swapped on both ends ). It seems to me that there have been several people who came on with further evidence after having spoken with them to support my initial statements that they had not been properly prepared. I am not saying that this was the fault of the consignor. It appears that they had sent them off to be started and the work wasn't being done. I never said that the horses weren't nice, actually just the contrary. Of course all involved were disappointed/upset. Their colts didn't show well. I did state that for colts at that level of experience, I would have preferred to see them show the simple basics of their movement and not to try and be so flashy when it obviously wasn't working. The fact remains, no matter how hard they worked at it, or how upset they were, the work hadn't been done beforehand and it showed. It's a shame that these boys were in a situation where they were having to play "catch up" with these colts. I never said that they were the ones who hadn't done the work though.
I thought your horse showed well. My daughter in law loved her! Everybody understands these are babys and are not looking for them to demo as a seasoned reined cowhorse. Just trot and lope some decient circles, stop and turn around and go the other direction. It's really very simple! If they are 3 or 4 and started on the pattern, show where they are on the pattern. In these instances,many times less is more. It is also very unfortunate they didnt ammend or have them announce they had less time then the 6 months stated. I think many would have expected ALOT less. Nobody is trying to be mean here. Just as in starting to season a colt, dont ask for more when you go to town then what he can do at home confidently. | |
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A) I was impressed with the horses I saw in person. They were fitted well and the booths were excellent. You could tell that time and effort had been put in by all the sellers.
B) I was not able to attend the sale as I was warming up/running while the auction was happening. This was disappointing for me as I would have definitely been participating had the timing worked out.
I will be back next year for sure. Overall the event was wonderful. If I could change anything I would have the sale during the warm-up race or possibly Sunday afternoon. I would also lump all of the vendors together in one location. The layout was difficult to navigate IMO and I never even found some of the booths because they were hid out among the contestant stalls. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | mreklaw - 2015-11-16 9:26 AM mbcruel21 - 2015-11-16 9:14 AM I wanted to come back to add something, I am with Colleen on most of yalls meaness. Did any of you go back to the stalls and actually LOOK at the horses or TALK to the people who had been handling them, ask questions and then make a judgement? Lead Change Boy as yall have deemed him and his crew had been riding those colts around since they got to Waco with them. They were nice young men and the ONE who rode them in the demos rode EVERYONE of their colts, most 2 horses apart. I know this because I was the one lining them up in the back to go in the pen. He was having to hop off one 2 yr old and hop on the other one. He was so hard on himself because he felt like he didnt get a good showing on those babies. Like Colleen said they will be back and they will come ready to show everyone what they have. Be mindful people, you have no idea how much time and work the majority put into their colts in the hopes of them doing well and going to a a good program. Sure there will always be the few that dont put that effort in but the majority does and takes offense to what has been said here. These are not colts being dumped, these a people who work hard to get horses they believe in, into good hands to move forward with. I actually talked to them several times way before the sale. I didn't agree with the draw reins they had on all of them in the pre sale videos but that's not why I didn't bid. I was told by the owner the filly I wanted was going to have a high reserve on her so I elected not to bid unless it got to that point. It didn't. Im anxious to see if she actually sold. I do hope they come back because as several people on here have stated they do have nice colts.
Which filly did you want? I see the one I really liked of theirs is posted on the Texas Best FB page for sale. Appearantly she didnt sell?. Beautiful filly! I never tried to contact her connections at the sale as lets not forget people, many were not there in person but had eyes on the ground. There was the option to sign up to phone bid. Not knowing they had less time then was stated in print and NO announcement stating a correction, people would not know. Still wish they would have rode her quieter and eased her around there though. | |
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