FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 3:44 PM

The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.
In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.
 

Nevertooold - 2015-11-28 7:32 PM What is causing the great divide?

OBama..Part of his playbook.

Bear - 2015-11-28 6:46 PM

In a nutshell, people have succumbed to pressure brought about by political correctness, like so many other things in today's world. Even politicians in some of the most conservative states in the country have buckled under the pressures brought about by this movement. I see it as a harbinger of things to come. It takes little imagination to see how the secularists are doing the same thing, and the best evidence for that is the incremental movement toward removing a wide variety of religious symbols, beginning with removal of "God" from the classroom, to removal of the Ten Commandments, as well as Nativity scenes. That incrementalism has moved into the private sector now, with more and more stores opting to omit "Christ" from Merry Christmas, ostensibly replacing it with the "less offensive" "Happy Holidays".
It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see a new movement emerge to abolish the symbol of the cross, probably under the guise that the cross and the swastika share a common origin, according to some so-called experts. Secularists are constantly looking for new pretenses to gain momentum and strength......sadly, it appears to be working, as increasing numbers of young people are shifting toward secularism.

We'll pay for this some day.

euchee - 2015-11-28 7:22 PM

I have never liked so many post in my life!  It seems to me like our country is becoming so divided after working years to become undivided.  Ummm I wonder who is causing all of this.  I don't consider the flag as support for slavery (racism), I see it as a symbol of our past.  I for the life of me can't figure out how a small group of people can cause us to have to remove war symbols, the comandments, the word Christ, God etc.  How can the majority be overran by the minority.  I don't know if any of that makes sense but I know what I meant. lol 

Southtxponygirl - 2015-11-29 8:49 AM


Yep I agree with NTO here, I have never heard so much racism since all the younger generation that dont under stand what he is doing to our country {not all the younger people but alot} and the ones that want free hand outs voted him in again. Anything we do now is racist, we cant look, talk or say anything now and if we do it racist..And now the confederate flag is racist?!!!! These people that voted him in need to wake up!!!

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 10:47 AM Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful. The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell. Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog. Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.

3canstorun - 2015-11-29 6:15 PM  And while I understand part of the rhetoric what in the world are you trying to say

NJJ - 2015-11-29 6:39 PM  JMO…….Finney is making a thinly veiled Liberal reference to the white race (Sneaky Snot) pounding and beating the black race (Ol' Blackie and Brownie) down over the years….so that we should not be surprised when they rise up and fight back????

 

However, she makes no mention that Ole Blackie and Brownie may just have been lazy “nags” who didn't pull their own weight and may have needed to be kicked and shoved away from the FREE food bunk.

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2015-11-29 9:47 AM

Not too long ago, I had an old barrel mare named Sneaky Snot. She had funny little ears that heard everything, little pig eyes that roved back and forth like a searchlight looking for her chance to show the others who was boss, and a nose that tipped up at the end. But her most noticeable feature was her lily white coat. Man, it shone in the sun, and she thought she was beautiful.

The other horses in the corral were wary of Sneaky Snot. They just went about their business, and moved away when she walked by, but every once in a while, when they weren’t looking, ole Sneaky Snot would creep up behind them and just double clutch with both hind feet and send them flying for cover. Sneaky would prance off with a satisfied look on her face and go about her business. I never new why she did what she did, but she was especially aggressive wrapped in her red, white, and blue blanket, and mainly to the black and brown horses. I thought horses were color blind, but go figure. Maybe she was jealous because they could run faster and placed higher at the barrel races. I don’t know. Maybe it had just become habit since they had let Sneaky Snot get away with it for so long. Hard to tell.

Then one day, the other two horses had just had enough, I guess. Sneaky Snot was creepin’ slow, and Ole Brown and Ole Black just kept eatin’ and at the last minute, hooves started flying, snorts and squeals rang out, and Sneaky Snot took off like a shot, no longer top dog.

Friendless and unable to deal with her lost status, Sneaky Snot’s white coat dimmed, her head hung down in shame, and the arrogance just seemed to go out of her, replaced by resentment. Not wanting to see the once proud old girl suffer, I decided to let her go. I took her to the local horse sale, and since she was feeling low, I just ran her in loose. As the gavel fell on the end of an era, I couldn’t help but reminisce about ole Sneaky. She was something. I hope she got the home she deserved.

Fun2Run - 2015-11-29 6:54 PM


I thought that was the biggest bunch of bunk I ever read. What does all that have to do with the Rebel flag?   

bennie1 - 2015-11-29 7:04 PM


What a ridiculous analogy.

FearTheRedPaint - 2015-11-28 4:44 PM The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states.

In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.

 

Red Raider - 2015-11-29 8:37 PM To say that the Civil War was fought over slavery is like the modern day version of saying the Iraq War was fought over oil.  For anybody who wished to really look further and ask their own questions, the answers are there from both viewpoints and the water runs much deeper than what shows on the surface. 



It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different.  The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities.  Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right?  It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?    



If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own?  Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army.  He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves.  The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight.  Benevolent?  The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union.  The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.  



Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level.  I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things.  If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism.  Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations.  Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things?  Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts.  I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.



I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards.  Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist.  Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.  



The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it.  If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself!  On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them.  Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings.  Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more.  In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.

 

Red Raider - 2015-11-29 7:37 PM To say that the Civil War was fought over slavery is like the modern day version of saying the Iraq War was fought over oil.  For anybody who wished to really look further and ask their own questions, the answers are there from both viewpoints and the water runs much deeper than what shows on the surface. 



It is said that history is written by the victors of the battle and the Civil War is no different.  The North is usually painted in a more heroic, benevolent light while the South is villified with few reedeming qualities.  Seeing it in only that light, one would wonder why the North fought so hard to keep South as part of the Union -- surely they would want to cut them loose and disassociate from them on moral principles alone, right?  It would have been much easier and cost effective (in both money, resources and lives) to say adios and good luck on your new venture, right?    



If the North was so concerned for the slaves, why were they the last to actually free their own?  Lincoln used war powers to enact the Emancipation Proclamation against the Southern states only and that was actually done to keep them from being able to order slaves into their army.  He wanted to cripple the South by taking away an accessible population and further strain resources by basically creating a large class of refugees who had no where to go, no way of getting anywhere and no means to take care of themselves.  The only help the North gave was to basically tell the freed slaves that if they fought for the Union, they would be taken care of by the army but that was only if they were of "suitable condition" to fight.  Benevolent?  The North manipulated and used the slaves for their own purposes as pawns without the care and concern for most of them as humans, much less citizens of the Union.  The war was much more complicated than just slavery and freeing people.  



Much like the war, the history behind the Confederate Flag (as we call it in modern times, StreakySox eluded that it's true meaning is much more complex) and Southern Pride/Heritage can be either viewed in a simplistic sense or understood on a deeper level.  I think on some level, it's hard for people to understand how anybody who was against slavery, segregation and racism could actually feel pride or a connection to a culture who once supported all those things.  If you want a simple answer, there's really not one to that because the South was more than just slavery, segregation and racism.  Since the time our nation was formed, the United States has done some pretty shi*ty things to other people, places and nations.  Does that mean if you support the U.S. you support those things?  Most people would say "no" and could separate the concepts.  I don't understand why it's so hard to fathom that people feel the same way about the South when it comes to the issue of a flag and racism.



I do want to say that for the record, I grew up in a part of Texas where it's not uncommon to see the U.S., Texas and Confederate flags being flown together on people's front yards.  Not everybody who does so -- or has a Confederate flag towel, t-shirt, coozie, dog collar, truck sticker, etc. -- is a redneck or a racist.  Some actually do separate their pride in the South and for many (like my family), pride for their ancestors who fought in the war from the idea of slavery and racism.  



The greatest irony of all involving racism and the displaying of the flag is that at least the people who do "redneck" it up, make an a$$ of themselves and let their racism show are at least being up front with it.  If you believe that racism, sexism and 20 other forms of "-isms" are going away because as a society we are so evolved, you are totally deluding yourself!  On some level these issues will always be there -- the problems is that as a society, we are better about hiding our prejudices and passive-aggressively displaying them.  Google "Silent Racism" and you'll see that what's hidden is actually much worse than someone who doesn't try to hide or mask their true feelings.  Passing laws banning flags, removing monuments and shading how history is taught to our kids just helps hide the issues more.  In freedom there is truth -- whether we like it or not.