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river runner - 2015-12-10 7:35 AM
I was shocked to read that banning muslims would actually be legal. I don't remember the exact laws but it is legal for the president to not let aliens in that have made threats or pose dangers to the US. I think it is reasonable to ask our leaders to stop the flow of people from the middle east and try to get a handle on security. Once again our nation is not following laws that are all ready on the books, just like with guns!
Originally posted by Linda Terry, Islam, by law, is prohibited from US immigration The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House.
Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic.
All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. Enforce the law!! This 1952 law has been revised, but INA Act 212 is in effect today. Google INA Act 212 and read it. Those advocating the overthrow of our government are still not allowed.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Cindy Hamilton - 2015-12-10 7:58 AM
Trump is very smart, but he's obviously not a polished politician...I am so sick of voting for the "right" people only to be continually disappointed when they bow to the establishment and nothing changes...it's refreshing to see someone with balls...finally. I think his over the top solutions are what the voters want to see...at least he's not trying to stay politically correct, or stay in the middle, trying to please everyone...I think he truly sees what's best for the country, everyone else be dammed...
Having said that, I think Ted Cruz is a better candidate than Trump, but sadly, he comes off as the practiced, same ol, same ol politician to the more uninformed...and they don't trust him...I do trust him because I know how anti establishment he really is, and I trust him to do what's best a lot more than I trust Trump.
We have been lied to for so long by the RINO "establishment", that to see Trump loudly stomping them all and exposing them for what they really are is something we've all wanted to do, and it gives us some satisfaction, thru Trump, to see them squirm....personally, I love seeing them squirm and sweat just trying to find a way to shut Trump up because Trump is about to destroy their little playhouse and all those little power mongers in DC will have to find a new scam to pull off on us....
One thing is for sure, Trump has changed the way politicians think and showed us all that you don't have to play their game...
I do think he's sincere and the admiration of the public is spurring him forward...without all the crowds and the cheering and support, he will go away, but I do believe he might have an ego driven agenda also...to be the person that goes into the history books as being the one person that turned America around at a critical point and "made it great again"....but his agenda is so much better for us than Hillary's, whose elitist agenda shows how she sees us all as pieces of gravel to walk on as she moves into her ultimate power position....God help us if she gets elected....
I would hate to see another "Romney" type Republican candidate (like JEB or Rubio)....but I hate Hillary so much that I'll vote for whoever gets the Republican nomination...I hope it's Ted Cruz. Time will tell...the nomination will go to Rubio, Cruz, or Trump, no telling who will prevail...
P.S.....not to mention Trump can't be bought, which they all really hate more than anything!!
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This ^^^ I like Cruz too. But there are some things I don't agree with him on. I'd go for a Trump/Cruz ticket. If that's how it turns out. Either way I'm not voting for ANY Dem. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | OregonBR - 2015-12-10 11:28 AM
So far Trump is saying what I want to hear. I think if he gets into office our weak minded politicians will follow him. If they don't, they get voted out of their cushy jobs. We need to speak in a voice that even the politicians can hear. Going outside the parties is a way to do that. Most people who are speaking out against what Trump says haven't listened to what he said. They are reading the MSM bullsh*t version of it where they twist it to mean something else.
Will I vote for him? It's a LONG year we have ahead. There can be many things happen between now and then.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I think his toupe would do a better job leading this country than he would. It has no fingers to push the **** big red button. People and the media flock to him because he causes uproar. It's sad when we started thinking about politics like it was entertainment. Washington DC is NOT Hollywood. Boring politicians don't generally start wars. He is incredibly inconsistent in his philosophies. He's had his opinions exactly 15 minutes, for anyone who actually reads new articles before the year 2015. If he's a true conservative I'm the bloody queen of England. He has almost NO SPECIFIC PLANS, with the exception perhaps of his business plan. He is outrageous and not someone I can respect, either as a person or a politician. The fact that so many in this country are actually thinking about voting for him just because he has a big mouth disgusts me to no end.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | oija - 2015-12-10 9:51 AM
I think his toupe would do a better job leading this country than he would. It has no fingers to push the **** big red button. People and the media flock to him because he causes uproar. It's sad when we started thinking about politics like it was entertainment. Washington DC is NOT Hollywood. Boring politicians don't generally start wars. He is incredibly inconsistent in his philosophies. He's had his opinions exactly 15 minutes, for anyone who actually reads new articles before the year 2015. If he's a true conservative I'm the bloody queen of England. He has almost NO SPECIFIC PLANS, with the exception perhaps of his business plan. He is outrageous and not someone I can respect, either as a person or a politician. The fact that so many in this country are actually thinking about voting for him just because he has a big mouth disgusts me to no end.
I am a fan of Ben Carson.
I wish he would tone it down. But if you listen and read what he really says, it's true. I think he has really good people and they keep him up on the facts. He may talk like he's flying by the seat of his pants but when you get the research, he's RIGHT!
What annoys me most about him is the way he will start a sentence then stop and switch topics. Like his brain is running faster than his mouth. But I can listen to him a lot easier than I can listen to Ovomit. He makes me want to puke.
Of all the choices we have, I think right now, he's the best option. Most of the others are just more of the same.
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Location: SE Louisiana | luluwhit - 2015-12-10 8:35 AM
The media has tried to crucify him.... I dont think they can get the job done. Hillary is a horrible choice and made a deal with the devil 8 years ago. I hope the democratic party gets fried over it.
I am so sick of politics I am ready to vote for trump today. We need a powerful person to lead this nation and I think he is they guy to get it done. Â
This!! Trump said what he did about a temp ban on Muslim visas and the media started having a field day that lasted right up until Wed morning,. I hit the internet news site that morning and...... crickets.... I started digging to find out why it had stopped and found out it was being reported the SB shooters had been planning their attack for a year.... and FDR had done the same sort of thing with the people from the axis countries.... and Carter with the students from Iran... even going so far as to round up 15,000 of them and ship them out of the country..
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Location: North Texas | Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically!
Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America.
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river runner - 2015-12-10 7:35 AM
I was shocked to read that banning muslims would actually be legal. I don't remember the exact laws but it is legal for the president to not let aliens in that have made threats or pose dangers to the US. I think it is reasonable to ask our leaders to stop the flow of people from the middle east and try to get a handle on security. Once again our nation is not following laws that are all ready on the books, just like with guns!
Originally posted by Linda Terry, Islam, by law, is prohibited from US immigration The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the United States. That act, which became Public Law 414, established both the law and the intent of Congress regarding the immigration of Aliens to the US and remains in effect today. Among the many issues it covers, one in particular, found in Chapter 2 Section 212, is the prohibition of entry to the US if the Alien belongs to an organization seeking to overthrow the government of the United States by "force, violence, or other unconstitutional means." This, by its very definition, rules out Islamic immigration to the United States, but this law is being ignored by the White House.
Islamic immigration to the US would be prohibited under this law because the Koran, Sharia Law and the Hadith all require complete submission to Islam, which is antithetical to the US government, the Constitution, and to the Republic.
All Muslims who attest that the Koran is their life's guiding principal subscribe to submission to Islam and its form of government. Now the political correct crowd would say that Islamists cannot be prohibited from entering the US because Islam is a religion. Whether it is a religion is immaterial because the law states that Aliens who are affiliated with any "organization" that advocates the overthrow of our government are prohibited. Enforce the law!! This 1952 law has been revised, but INA Act 212 is in effect today. Google INA Act 212 and read it. Those advocating the overthrow of our government are still not allowed.
Thank you so much for posting this! To me it seems like such a NO BRAINER! The law is there for a reason, we need to use it! |
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Location: North Texas | And not that I am supporting Trump. *I* actually prefer Cruz. But one would be foolish if not totally incompenent, to ignore Trump's History. Which I highlighted the positive parts. Everyone has negative history which there is plenty to review in regards to Trump...................................... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2015-12-10 12:56 PM
Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically!
Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America.
What can be said about the Other Presidential Candidates on EITHER side of the aisle??????
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Location: North Texas | komet. - 2015-12-10 1:08 PM foundation horse - 2015-12-10 12:56 PM Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically! Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America. What can be said about the Other Presidential Candidates on EITHER side of the aisle?????? 1000 words..
Anything as positive as what Trump has accomplished?
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Location: SE Louisiana | foundation horse - 2015-12-10 1:10 PM
komet. - 2015-12-10 1:08 PM foundation horse - 2015-12-10 12:56 PM Tis hard to have mud stick to someone when their facts and comments are historically based. And effective historically! Now those who deem Trump is not fit to lead...............................He is self funded (no political payouts/offs), has sucessfully lead businesses to profit, and neogotiated complicated multi country deals that have been benefical for America. What can be said about the Other Presidential Candidates on EITHER side of the aisle?????? 1000 words..Anything as positive as what Trump has accomplished?
The meaning was "A picture is worth a thousand words" It's not so much what Trump has accomplished, but what everyone else has not.. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | I find it ironic that Donald is being blasted for his "mouth" is the very SAME THING that got Obama elected. Obama is a SMOOTH talker, and he painted the "pretty picture" that apealed to the bleeding heart liberals and people wanting the goverment to take care of them. Obama is so weaked spine, every word that comes out of his mouth is "careful" not to offend someone. His way...We love everyone... here hand them free phones & healthcare and open our boarders to whoever. Yeah, that has worked so well for this country (pour on the sarcasm). Trump is not the "smooth" talker, he is loud and direct and he certainly don't care who he offends. However, the BIGGEST & most IMPORTANT difference between the men is I am 1000% sure Trump loves this country and 1000% Obama wants to destory it. So I don't care if Trump comes across as rude, at least he is not afraid to fight for this country.
Also, if Trump does get the Republican nod, he will certainly be running against Hilary and she is another smooth talker that will only drive this country further into the ground.
Personally, ! am not 100% on board with Trump yet. I want to hear his plans of action more. I keep an ear open to Carson and Cruz also but Trump certainly has my attention because his "screw political correctness" approach is refreshing.
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RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM  I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
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Location: SE Louisiana | jbhoot - 2015-12-10 9:19 PM
luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:00 AM
RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM  I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
And you think he will keep his word? I sure as heck don't think he will.
You are both a little off. He said if he ran as a republican, he would support the person that won the republican nomination. They all agreed to it but I see the entire GOP is distancing itself now that it's beginning to look like he might win, because he will deliberately say things that a normal politician has nightmares about accidentally saying in public.
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Location: I am not FROM California I just live here! | I skimmed over these posts did not read them all but I will vote for trump.....if given the opprotunity...last election my quote best friend who is now my worst enemy tried to get me fired from my job a month ago at that time we were bff rodeo partners drove to every rodeo together she said I am voting for Obama I said I am not she said well I guess neither one of us should vote because we will cancel out each others votes....I still voted Obama won....but that was not my choice I am ready for a real change which obama never accomplished
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Location: Kansas | I'm with Larry Gatlin. If the best Dems have is Hillary Clinton I'll vote Republican if the candidate is Elmer Fudd. |
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| jbhoot - 2015-12-10 9:19 PM
luluwhit - 2015-12-10 9:00 AM
RidenFly - 2015-12-10 9:38 AM ThreeCorners - 2015-12-11 6:37 AM  I think he's a self centered whiney baby and scary as h*ll. Alot of people rally to him because they are 100% fed up (as I am) and he will say what so many are thinking. However......he wont win, he's alienated way to many and because he thinks he's all that, he says he will run as an independant, thus further dividing the votes to ensure a democratic win if he doesnt get the nomination. THAT is what I personally think might happen.
And you think he will keep his word? I sure as heck don't think he will.
Why should he? The gop doesn't keep theirs. They are and have actively worked with the dems to keep conservatives from being elected. There is only one party in this country, and they are ALL complicit in treason. |
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Location: In my own world | I'm voting for him. I'm tired of politicians. I am a call it like you see it get over it if it hurt your feelings person. Trump is a breath of fresh air. Like it or not he is a smart man. He has been dealing with foreign relations for years with his company so don't think he can't do that as a president. But really this sums it up for me:
can an he be any worse than what we have now?
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