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| I'm going to go out on a limb and say I really, really like Todd and Una Ford's young stallion, Tres My Fame. Kelsey Lutjen is riding him now and he is burning up a pattern.
I think Aint Seen Nothin Yet's foals are gorgeous conformationally.
We bred a mare to French Streaktovegas in 2014 and she is hands down the nicest baby we have had hit the ground so far. We have a Firewaterontherocks baby coming in April and are really excited to see what we get. :)
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Location: Too far from home | Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL
Understandable, but I think the OP was pointing out that at $1200 she/he would breed to something that had already proven himself either as a sire or as a performance horse. I agree with her. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | crazy&lazy - 2016-01-20 11:50 AM
Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL
I have to disagree too. Some people have several mares and are willing to prove their studs mainly using their own stock but if you want to have a big national following and book performance is really important. I will probably give some free breedings to excellent mares once he is 3/4. But he would not stand until 6/7. By then those babies would just be getting ready to perform. Epic Leader booked full his first year and did NOT stand for pennies. I think there is much more to be made and nicer mares to get lined up if they perform. It may involve a little more up front investment but will make the stud more desirable to mare owners long term. You also have to do something to stand out; performance of certain types will allow for this. |
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Location: TX | I agree that Royal and famous will be one to watch as a sire especially given his maternal side.
I think there's a fine balance between breeding a stallion early and waiting until they are proven. Since Epic leader was mentioned, he already has a few babies that are doing pretty well in the pen at the futurities because they bred him early, but they also proved he could perform as well, which I think helped him a lot that first year standing to the public. Was he booked full last year and did they raise his fee to 4500, then lower it back to 3500? Just curious.
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Location: OH | oija - 2016-01-20 1:01 PM crazy&lazy - 2016-01-20 11:50 AM Mighty Broke - 2016-01-20 10:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 10:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I had no interest in proving my studs in the arena, I went to breeding them as soon as possible in order for their get to prove their worth. If you wait till a stallion is proven to breed him, he will end up being 11-12 years old before his get hit the arena, that is a lot of wasted time and resources. Just my opinion of course---doesn't mean I am right. LOL I have to disagree too. Some people have several mares and are willing to prove their studs mainly using their own stock but if you want to have a big national following and book performance is really important. I will probably give some free breedings to excellent mares once he is 3/4. But he would not stand until 6/7. By then those babies would just be getting ready to perform. Epic Leader booked full his first year and did NOT stand for pennies. I think there is much more to be made and nicer mares to get lined up if they perform. It may involve a little more up front investment but will make the stud more desirable to mare owners long term. You also have to do something to stand out; performance of certain types will allow for this.
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| Jumping back, I'm surprised no one has said Slick By Design. An almost complete outcross who is the highest earning barrel stallion out there right now. On top of that he has been bred to the very best mares out there. So he is either going to be a flop or phenomenal stallion! |
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Location: TX | Slick and firewater ta fame for sure studs to keep watching |
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| I have to say I went to the Myers Sale in august and OMG ASGand his babies were NICE honestly nicer than the own get of FG IMO. He is already producing winners and he is a STUNNING mover. Im breeding a mare to him this spring. I think Firewater Ta Fame will be one of the next big stallions |
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Location: Oklahoma | Murphy - 2016-01-20 10:41 AM
Warriors Mom - 2016-01-20 11:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol!
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| Longneck - 2016-01-20 4:00 PM
Murphy - 2016-01-20 10:41 AM
Warriors Mom - 2016-01-20 11:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol!
Have you heard of Hanky Panky Perks? I have a friend that bred to him last year.
He's a stunner, and for sale. ;) |
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I can personally vouch for Reds Western Native. I am proud to say I own one that has had just 4 months of riding his entire life. He's 2 coming 3 and just automatically a natural barrel horse. They are phenomenal, beyond belief great!
i was curious and computed percentages of get entered and top placers at one of the big futurities and he is one of the few at the very top.
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Location: Missouri | What about Darkelly?
Offspring earnings over $400k.
Plus he's beautiful, his website is way cool, and there's that one horse called Kellies Chick...
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| just4fun - 2016-01-20 8:04 PM What about Darkelly?
Offspring earnings over $400k.
Plus he's beautiful, his website is way cool, and there's that one horse called Kellies Chick...
Darkelly is already older. I believe he is 22. Although he has had some standout babies the majority have won very little. |
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Location: TX | Yeah, that's what I was saying about some of the "less well known" (by some) studs. What were some of the percentages on other stallions you figured out if you don't mind sharing ? I'm not surprised at all about Native, honestly not sure what keeps that stud local other than maybe his more limited advertising campaign. His babies are certainly performers, he is also getting on up there in age too though I think. |
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Location: Texas | http://youtu.be/_kNaAzxr59E
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/heavenly+firewater
http://youtu.be/rh6nQ9mGcD8
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/royal+and+famous2
Two that I think have what it takes in the arena and gentitically.
Several good ones producing now as well
Famous Bugs
Firewaterontherocks
Blazin Jetolena
Eddie Stinson
JL Dash Ta Heaven
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Location: Kentucky | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-01-20 9:20 PM Longneck - 2016-01-20 4:00 PM Murphy - 2016-01-20 10:41 AM Warriors Mom - 2016-01-20 11:25 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-01-20 9:33 AM I don't understand why people buy own sons, keep them a stud and then slap a $1,200 stud fee on them when they aren't proven themselves? I've seen so many of them the last couple of months.
Don't flame me, just an opinion lol
I agree with this statement 110%. I have a son of Letta Hank Do It, he turned 4 as of Jan 1st, he missed the juve because he popped splints. Came back, was getting him ready for Lance Graves, he has injured him self again in the pasture.... if he doesn't start getting with it, he will go under the knife, unfortunately he has the makings to be a great stallion, but it want happen if he can not prove himself, even if the reason is self infliction. I will cry if I geld him, and cry when I sell him, since I don't keep geldings...only time will tell...I'll kick myself in the rear if I geld him and he goes on to be some one's next big thing!!! lol! Have you heard of Hanky Panky Perks? I have a friend that bred to him last year. He's a stunner, and for sale. ; )
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| I think Firewater Ta Fame is going to be big name in the future. He doesn't have that many babies running and they have racked up significant earnings and some impressive accomplishments. He's already making it onto leading sires lists.
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I was really impressed with the JL Dash Ta Heavens at the BFA. They seem to have a really cool style and defintely made a name for themselves! |
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Location: Keeping up with the numbers! | I have to agree with Firewater Ta Fame. I have had two and Shelly Martin is one of the nicest owners to have ever worked with!!!! |
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Location: Texas | RHRanch - 2016-01-21 9:17 AM
I was really impressed with the JL Dash Ta Heavens at the BFA. They seem to have a really cool style and defintely made a name for themselves!
They are super nice. The stallion I'm riding is out of Firewater Fanny a producer. JL DTH will not be standing to the public after 2016 so I think it will be an opportunity for on of his sons to shine as a sure with his great bloodlines. |
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