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Location: Grandfield, OK | VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:32 PM
Hi Felicia,
I am not interested in calling for more information. I am sorry that this has happened for all involved. As I just mentioned, I am not you nor am I the vet. So I am not a party to this situation and my opinion is not important. I commented because I think this thread is unprofessional and not the "right" thing to do in this or any situation. I work with a professional company that works with veterinarians every day. There is a right and wrong way to handle this situation and this is not the right way. Nothing is accomplished with this method except for adding drama. If you want drama, then you are accomplishing what you want. Are you a drama queen? I hope not. If you want to waste time, then you are accomplishing that too. If you want to resolve the problem then take the professional route and act professional in the process. That is my 10 cents worth and I am out of this. Just hoping that someone has some integrity and acts like it. I am reporting this thread to the admin since my comment did not seem to help. Best wishes for you and your horses.
No drama intended, just revealing raw facts. We have been trying to work with the veterinarian for a year now. Would you settle for nothing if this were you? Well us neither. We do have an attorney involved. My intent with this post is hoping the involved vet will step up to the plate and right the wrong. If he would, I would publicly right his name and call him an honorable trustworthy man. Heck, I would post it in all capital letters! Until then, the vet and the stallion owner can reap what they have sewn. We are reputable horse breeders and trainers and only expect that from people we deal with in this business. We have a barn full of horses we trained for the public and would not have one single one, nor deserve one if we conducted our business in this manner. Let's just skip the "drama" and do the right thing! |
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| No one around this area that I know of really uses Dr. Leonard unless its an emergency and they absolutely have to. Everyone uses Dr. Shaw. He is the absolute best around!! He is in Thomasville right outside of West Plains. If you ever need a vet around the area again I would 110% suggest Dr. Shaw! Very sorry this whole mess happened to you and hopefully it will be righted soon! Hope everyone has a nice day. |
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Location: sunny california | I just love how everyone says " you should do your homework" well you can't if no one ever reports wrong doings.... |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | kwanatha - 2016-01-27 6:13 AM
I just love how everyone says " you should do your homework" well you can't if no one ever reports wrong doings....
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| I don't blame her one bit for making her story public, sometimes that is the only way to get people to work with you these days.
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Location: Central Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-01-26 2:19 PM That is real BS..
I love it when people say they only use a vet for dentistry in case something happens they can go after the vet. I've never known one person that got paid from a vet for a wrong doing.
So sorry this happened to you.
I did manage to get paid. It was a very long battle and I ran into many brick walls along the way. They tried to settle with us many times for ridiculously low amounts that didn't even cover the vet bills. I'm convinced they made it as hard as possible in hopes that we would just give up and settle or go away. In our case (also a breeding issue)The damage was done and was irreversible so I was mad and had nothing but time on my hands. We battled it out in court for just over 2 years. Their first offer to us was $1200. After 2 years and about 4 more offers we settled at $25,000.
To the OP.....As you have already seen and experienced, it will not be easy, but don't give up. I hope you can get it all straightened out.
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Location: Grandfield, OK | Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 9:54 AM Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol
Interesting they would just join the day you posted originally. |
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Location: Oklahoma | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 9:54 AM
Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol
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Location: Oklahoma | cheryl makofka - 2016-01-26 10:49 PM
VetTv - 2016-01-26 10:22 PM
Oh my goodness Cheryl. Did you really just say that the vet "stole" the straws? That is a prime example of why I commented on this thread. You and I are neither parties in this transaction. You do not KNOW what happened and neither do I. Behave accordingly. This should be handled by the parties involved and not in a chat forum. What is the purpose of this thread? Is this solving the situation?
The straws were not inserted into the mare they were supposed to, so yes it can be considered theft unless he can provide the unused straws.
Since VetTV is the same name of the vet clinic... I'm asking you this... where is the correct semen for Popular Resortfigure? I find it interesting you come on here in defense, yet you can't answer where the correct semen is?  |
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Location: West Texas | This is a sorry rotten deal for sure. I knew the day that colt was born, that the semen had been messed up. I had hoped I was wrong.
Now, I hope you get it fixed. I hope you sue the tar out of them. You have every right to post the facts, after no one will take responsibility for the mess up. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | cowboytravel - 2016-01-28 9:54 AM Hey folks, I do believe either the vet or somebody associated with him is Vettv. Check out www.vettv.net/show/animal-clinic-and-equine-center. Send him or her a message and tell them what ya think. They just joined here 1/26 , the day I posted this. I'm not hiding anything, not sure why they are, it's kinda like the reality shows, DNA results are in. Lol
VetTV has a "vested interest" in defending their advertiser???? |
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Location: Weatherford, TX | cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 9:42 PM Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :)
Hi. I've been following and am confused. If you purchased the foals at 4 and 10 days old from another gentleman, wouldn't you have to go back to him? And then in turn he would have to go back to stallion owner or whomever he got the foals from? Then the stallion owner would have to go back to the vet? It is a mess and confusing. |
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| Gator Bug - 2016-01-28 10:31 AM
cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 9:42 PM Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :)
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Location: Weatherford, TX | FlyingJT - 2016-01-28 10:33 AM Gator Bug - 2016-01-28 10:31 AM cowboytravel - 2016-01-26 9:42 PM Hey, Vet TV, not hiding anything here for sure. My name is Felicia Miller, We purchased 2 foals at 4 and 10 days old. They were both to be sired by Vegas Resort , 1 out of Pearl and 1 out of Pearl's sister Coconut. We bought the foals based on the fact of their breeding and one was a bay roan stallion and 1 a palomino stallion. We planned to use these 2 for breeding purposes, as that is what we do, raise and train the best calf horses alive. We had 3 this year at the NFR that we traiined and 1 other one that we raised, so obviously our breeding program is successful. The 2 mares were bred on the same day at a breeding facility in Texas. Semen was shipped from Dr. Leonard in West Plains, MO after it was collected from Vegas Resort. Both vials of semen were in the same box and were supposedly from the same semen collection. When I tried to register the foals, it was discovered one was correct, thankfully the one out of Pearl and the other one was found to be by the stallion Can't Bully This Guy, which is owned by the girlfriend of the vet we were told. Those are FACTS!!! I have been trying for a year to settle this. I applied for AQHA registration for both foals, got one and the other one has not been released due to the stallion owner. I have legal council. I tried to settle this in court and will eventually do so, however we will have to sue the gentleman that we bought the colts from, he in turn will have to see the gentleman that owned the stallion we contracted to buy the semen from and the stallion owner of the horse we wanted the babies to be by will have to sue the veterinarian. Big vivious ugly circle huh? We did not ask for an astronomical amount for financial restitution but obviously these were not cheap horses. Embryo horses are never cheap for a reason. It was an insult to offer us $2,500. It costs right at $5000 just for an embryo transfer when you include the price of the recip mare and vet charges. If you have any problems with any of this feel free to give me a call: 940-631-5007. Thanks :) Yes, that's what they are doing!
Yes, I know that's what they are doing now as I've re read it all several times. I just wasn't sure why that wasn't the way to go from the beginning. I just thought a buyer would always go back to the seller. And the rest of legal mess would go the way it is going now. I've never bought foals so I was just confused. |
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Location: south central usa | Nita - 2016-01-26 4:29 PM
Sounds like business as usual for an insurance company. They typically try to get you to settle for as little as possible. If you got an attorney, they would probably cover your losses.
Strange they won't just get you the dang paperwork, tho! Seems like any reputable breeder would at least follow through with that.
from a fly on the wall perspective, if I was the breeder/vet from whom incorrect products were shipped, I wouldn't sign off on the papers either as that would be admitting fault on my part. morally - yes they should...from a business side - at this point no....yet it would have been easier- from a business perspective to save face at the onset (pay/agree to whatever) instead of having it drag on this long. sounds like poor management by someone |
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Location: West Texas | From a business side, it is always best to do what is morally right.
I feel like my first obligation as a business is to be ethical and morally conscience. As a customer, I feel doing business with morally correct individuals and businesses, is at the very top of my priority list.
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| runnink - 2016-01-28 11:29 AM
Nita - 2016-01-26 4:29 PM
Sounds like business as usual for an insurance company. They typically try to get you to settle for as little as possible. If you got an attorney, they would probably cover your losses.
Strange they won't just get you the dang paperwork, tho! Seems like any reputable breeder would at least follow through with that.
from a fly on the wall perspective, if I was the breeder/vet from whom incorrect products were shipped, I wouldn't sign off on the papers either as that would be admitting fault on my part. morally - yes they should...from a business side - at this point no....yet it would have been easier- from a business perspective to save face at the onset (pay/agree to whatever ) instead of having it drag on this long. sounds like poor management by someone
I would rather do business with someone who admitted to a mistake and worked to fix it, rather than someone who obviously made a mistake, won't admit to it, and wont do anything to make it right. |
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Location: SE KS | Some times it isn't about being right or wrong, it comes down to how the situation is handled that makes the difference!!! |
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