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Location: Texas | The team ropers have other places to win money and maybe the calf ropers, but the rough stock riders and steer wrestlers are going to have a hard time staying afloat. How long will it take as this thing goes on and on before those guys start looking for a way out of the ERA? |
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 9:34 AM The team ropers have other places to win money and maybe the calf ropers, but the rough stock riders and steer wrestlers are going to have a hard time staying afloat. How long will it take as this thing goes on and on before those guys start looking for a way out of the ERA? I wondered the same as well. Will the barrel racers still be able to compete in WPRA events sanctioned with the PRCA like the bigger paying rodeos? That roughstock association that was used as a qualifying association for The American folded so am not sure about any good paying rough stock associations that can compare. What did they use as the roughstock (bareback/saddle bronc) qualifiers for The American since that association folded? I know the PBR is used for the bull riding. The PRCA bull riders who went with the ERA can always try their hand at PBR or CBR sanctioned events, but it takes a bit to get onto their big money tours and not just their challenger events.
The steer wrestlers don't have a bulldogging association. There was one started many years ago by a few top guys, but that didn't last long. I guess they could hit up other association rodeos close to their homes..... really any contestants could do that. The fees would be cheaper, the payout would be much, much less, but they wouldn't have to travel too far.
The calf ropers and team ropers have other calf roping and team roping associations as well as just big paying single events or invitational events. Then of course like any others they could go to different rodeo associations for the time being.
I think the barrel racers will focus on big 4D barrel races and futurities as well as jackpots in their area that pay pretty well.
All of them could join other associatons for the time being and compete at those... lower fees, but lower payout, etc.
I never have understood why the IPRA didn't figure out a way to make the IPRA an association that turned the PRCA on its ear. Maybe the ERA guys should have taken the IPRA and revamped it. LOL The IPRA already has established rodeos. Maybe with the ERA names on the contestant list, the sponsors would follow and make some of their rodoes hugh payouts. Oh wait......... they wanted to be owners and make money as business owners.
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| sodapop - 2016-02-07 9:51 AM
RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 9:34 AM The team ropers have other places to win money and maybe the calf ropers, but the rough stock riders and steer wrestlers are going to have a hard time staying afloat. How long will it take as this thing goes on and on before those guys start looking for a way out of the ERA? I wondered the same as well. Will the barrel racers still be able to compete in WPRA events sanctioned with the PRCA like the bigger paying rodeos? That roughstock association that was used as a qualifying association for The American folded so am not sure about any good paying rough stock associations that can compare. What did they use as the roughstock (bareback/saddle bronc) qualifiers for The American since that association folded? I know the PBR is used for the bull riding. The PRCA bull riders who went with the ERA can always try their hand at PBR or CBR sanctioned events, but it takes a bit to get onto their big money tours and not just their challenger events.
The steer wrestlers don't have a bulldogging association. There was one started many years ago by a few top guys, but that didn't last long. I guess they could hit up other association rodeos close to their homes..... really any contestants could do that. The fees would be cheaper, the payout would be much, much less, but they wouldn't have to travel too far.
The calf ropers and team ropers have other calf roping and team roping associations as well as just big paying single events or invitational events. Then of course like any others they could go to different rodeo associations for the time being.
I think the barrel racers will focus on big 4D barrel races and futurities as well as jackpots in their area that pay pretty well.
All of them could join other associatons for the time being and compete at those... lower fees, but lower payout, etc.
I never have understood why the IPRA didn't figure out a way to make the IPRA an association that turned the PRCA on its ear. Maybe the ERA guys should have taken the IPRA and revamped it. LOL The IPRA already has established rodeos. Maybe with the ERA names on the contestant list, the sponsors would follow and make some of their rodoes hugh payouts. Oh wait......... they wanted to be owners and make money as business owners.
I don't think it will take long for the younger guys that are still actively competing to leave. As I understand it anything they've won since November was in escrow and they won't get it, just their fees back. Their first ERA rodeo is over a month away, so they've now missed money at Denver, Fort Worth, San Antonio and most likely Houston. That's a lot to leave on the table. It will be hard to play catch up if they do jump ship. Some of them have the American coming up later this month.
I was on the ERA website and they have a column for 'buy tickets' for each of their events. That feature is active for Redmond, Boise and the finals, but not active for the April 8th and 9th rodeo in Salt Lake City. Seems odd since that's only a few months away.
As for WPRA, I don't think they are involved since they are a separate organization. All the PRCA guys were eliminated from the finals at Fort Worth, but Taylor Jacob ran and she's ERA.
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Location: Texas | Houston is not a PRCA rodeo anymore, is it? |
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 10:28 AM
Houston is not a PRCA rodeo anymore, is it?Â
You know you're right, but seems like last year they let 1/2 the money count for barrel racers. I think that's what helped Nancy get to the finals with so few rodeos.
Good, if anyone can enter Houton, then that will give the guys a chance to earn some money. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | chicks2 - 2016-02-07 11:33 AM RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 10:28 AM Houston is not a PRCA rodeo anymore, is it? You know you're right, but seems like last year they let 1/2 the money count for barrel racers. I think that's what helped Nancy get to the finals with so few rodeos. Good, if anyone can enter Houton, then that will give the guys a chance to earn some money.
The barrel racers are WPRA and there is a qualifying format for the barrel racers to compete at Houston. Yes, the barrel racing money won at Houston counts towards WPRA world standings.
All the rest of the events are invitational and are not PRCA.
Events can be approved for WPRA standings and not PRCA and vice versa
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Location: Texas | I don't have a clue what the qualification process for Rodeo Houston is, but am guessing that most of the ERA people would qualify. It might keep some of those guys afloat until "their" rodeos start.
Most don't like the big money rodeos counting for the NFR, but I was told that Rodeo Houston dropped the PRCA because the PRCA did not want the Houston money to count for the NFR. Don't know the whole story there but it has a ring of truth to it.
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-07 11:31 AM I don't have a clue what the qualification process for Rodeo Houston is, but am guessing that most of the ERA people would qualify. It might keep some of those guys afloat until "their" rodeos start. Most don't like the big money rodeos counting for the NFR, but I was told that Rodeo Houston dropped the PRCA because the PRCA did not want the Houston money to count for the NFR. Don't know the whole story there but it has a ring of truth to it.
I did see on Tuf Cooper's Facebook page he would be competing at Houston. |
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Location: North of the 49th Parallel | Another thing that I don't get why they did, they scheduled their finals on the same weekend of the Canadian Finals Rodeo. Probably the only dates they could get but that's a major conflict if guys wanted to go north of the border...which leads to another question. Can ERA guys rodeo at Canadian rodeos? They are first and foremost CPRA sanctioned and PRCA is second... so could they buy their CPRA cards? |
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Location: That part of Texas | TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying.
Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory. |
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| I sure hope it works out for everyone involved on both sides to the beterment of rodeo. |
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| I'm surprised there aren't more posts on this issue. Quite a few folks are impacted by this, not Brazil and Motes, but the regular guys that accepted the ERA offer. What are they doing? Just seem very quiet.
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| chicks2 - 2016-02-09 9:18 PM I'm surprised there aren't more posts on this issue. Quite a few folks are impacted by this, not Brazil and Motes, but the regular guys that accepted the ERA offer. What are they doing? Just seem very quiet.
Most of them have public Facebook and or Twitter pages and are promoting the ERA. |
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Location: Central Montana | Â To simplify what I got out of it was.....the judge stated in the ruling that they very likely have a case for monopoly and they need pursue that avenue instead.... |
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| Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM
TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
 I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA.  Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying.Â
 Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.Â
I have a question about the monopoly theory. Can they claim this when you factor in the number of Amateur/Non PRCA associations we have? Like the IPRA, ACRA, CRRA, UPRA, etc? |
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Location: The edge of no where | Red Raider - 2016-02-08 9:07 AM TXBO - 2016-02-06 12:26 PM
I also think ERA has a real problem from the fact that they have solicited contestants and rodeos from PRCA. Many of the ERA tour events will compete with PRCA events and ERA is using intellectual property from PRCA for their qualifying. Think about the basis of the suit and you'll see this really isn't a problem. If you are claiming one entity is controlling it all, it's going to be natural to use their information, processes and other aspects in your own model. The existence of the American hurts them the most on this issue because they are showing it could be done another way without using PRCA standings or past stats. The fact that the ERA has to solicit contestants and rodeo schedule times from the PRCA only goes to show the overwhelming amount of reach and control PRCA has in this area and supports the monopoly theory.
The American does use PRCA stats to select the 10 who get to compete against the qualifiers and exemptions.
Wouldn't this support the ERA monopoly claim? The 10 who get to run at the American are the top 10 from the PRCA standings the previous year (except the bullriders).
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| Curious to see how many of the ERA guys start showing up at all the "ammy" and open rodeos now. |
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Location: Texas | MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 10:27 AM Curious to see how many of the ERA guys start showing up at all the "ammy" and open rodeos now.
My thoughts exactly unless they win pretty big at the American. |
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| RocketPilot - 2016-02-10 11:35 AM
MOTIVATED - 2016-02-10 10:27 AM Curious to see how many of the ERA guys start showing up at all the "ammy" and open rodeos now.
My thoughts exactly unless they win pretty big at the American.Â
This was really my question just didn't phrase it correctly. Some guys may have other sources of income, some may be able to just live off 8 rodeos a year, but I think quite a few of the young active guys without other resources will have to start doing something. |
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| I would think that a lot of the guys wouldn't want to be sitting at home. They rodeo because the love the sport. Even if they don't need the money, I would think that they would rather be at a rodeo than doing other things. |
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